Aston Villa wants Gibson?

The Fletch comparison's of Gibson coming good I just don't see. Fletch has always been all effort and other areas of his game have gone from strength to strength.

With Gibson, I just don't see the same energy. His passing is below average, he struggles to impose himself on games, he rather than Cleverly would of benifited from a loan and playing regularly. Besides a cracking shot here and there, the rest of his game isn't good enough for United.
 
Would be great if we can get a couple of million for him.


We are desperately average in midfield and need 2 top draw signings in this department.
 
cj_sparky said:
With Gibson, I just don't see the same energy. His passing is below average, he struggles to impose himself on games, he rather than Cleverly would of benifited from a loan and playing regularly. Besides a cracking shot here and there, the rest of his game isn't good enough for United.
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But thats a myth. He actually passes the ball very well and the "always shoots at goal" bullshit is also a myth, granted he used to do it, but in his last few games he's been spreading the ball about nicely instead.

I'd say loan him out. If he's unsuccessful at Villa (if this story is even true) then we sell him on as he'd have plenty of chances. But if he plays well on the loan then we have no need to sell him.

I'm going to call that this loan is bullshit anyway.
 
Brwned said:
He's the best striker of the ball in our team bar Scholes...

Obviously he doesn't score so much purely because he shoots so much, if Fletcher shot just as often he still wouldn't score half the goals Gibson has.

Gibson strikes it so often because he can, and because he's been told to...no-one else in the team could score some of the goals he has(Scholes included given the two-footedness, see Peterborough goal).

In what sense is it overrated? 95% of the people here point out how he shoots too much...

There's talent there, you know there is. You're being negative for the sake of it. Fair enough if you don't think he'll make it but you're talking tosh about his shooting.



You've got every type of goal there - volley, curler, daisy-cutter, ridiculous 30 yarder(with wrong foot)...all top notch technique. Give him a bit of credit...he might shoot too much but the reason he scores is because he's got a level of striking technique most players in this league would dream of.

EDIT: As for shooting too much...isn't his shots to goal ratio fairly similar to (your darling) Ronaldo's?
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I'm not 'being negative for the sake of it', I just don't rate him as a player, and if anything I think his shooting makes him a worse player. It's clear that he can score some nice goals, but with the amount of shots he takes, you would expect a player to score quite a few goals, I think his ratio for last season was 1 goal from every 10 shots, against Rangers he had 12, about 1 of which was on target. The fact some of them curve nicely or go very fast doesn't make them worth more than if he actually passed to his team-mates and someone else scored as part of the move.


Maybe it is his decision-making which is the problem, rather than his shooting, but this tendency to shoot every time he sees the goal makes him a liability when he plays for us, because he loses possession so often. He is also a very selfish player, one incident in particular sticks out for me, in the match against Hull City in Old Trafford last season, when Rooney scored 4 goals, United were breaking with Gibson in the centre circle, Rooney running through, and Gibson decides to try and chip the goalkeeper. Its like he takes the cries of 'SHOOT!' from the fans to be instructions from the manager, Scholes gets the same thing when he gets the ball near goal, but he doesn't mindlessly obey the crowd. Maybe his decision making will improve with experience, but if he reduces the amount he shoots, I sincerely doubt he'll score as many goals.

As for that statistic, I would love to see a source for that. I believe Gibson's ratio is around 10%, and I don't think Ronaldo was taking 200-400 shots a season for us. Besides that, Ronaldo actually had other abilities than shooting.
 
kietotheworld said:
I'm not 'being negative for the sake of it',......,
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You most certainly are.


kietotheworld said:
As for that statistic, I would love to see a source for that. I believe Gibson's ratio is around 10%, and I don't think Ronaldo was taking 200-400 shots a season for us......
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Oh really? Ronaldo from 2007 till he left was averaging like 300 plus shots on goal a season in the EPL alone.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Oh really? Ronaldo from 2007 till he left was averaging 300 plus shots on goal season in the EPL alone.
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That's impossible, surely? It'd mean he was taking about 10 shots each game he played with us, I don't really believe that, it'd mean the entire team had 30 shots a game on average and we never had that.
 
cj_sparky said:
The Fletch comparison's of Gibson coming good I just don't see. Fletch has always been all effort and other areas of his game have gone from strength to strength.

With Gibson, I just don't see the same energy. His passing is below average, he struggles to impose himself on games, he rather than Cleverly would of benifited from a loan and playing regularly. Besides a cracking shot here and there, the rest of his game isn't good enough for United.
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I agree. Apart from his shooting, he does not bring anything to the table that every other midfielder we have does. His lack of movement and speed is a major issue to me. Also, he does not demand the ball off other players and seems to me to seem content just to sit there and try and compliment his midfield partner and hope for the odd long shot opportunity. He can improve but I do not believe for one single second that he will improve significantly enough to ever be a regular at United. He is simply not good enough. Personally, I think we'd be better off trying to bring through the likes of Cleverley, Eikrim and even Petrucci (if we can get him fit) because those players have more to their games and have the potential to become good players.

I very much doubt Gibson will be at United in two years. He is so far behind the other midfielders we have it's unreal, and they are not even in form. Even the retirement of Scholes won't do him any favours because personally I think Scholes will be the one player that simply must be replaced in the transfer market.
 
Sarni said:
That's impossible, surely? It'd mean he was taking about 10 shots each game he played with us, I don't really believe that, it'd mean the entire team had 30 shots a game on average and we never had that.
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The stats will shock you if you look them up though. Ronaldo used to take loads of shots. It's no surprise he used to out score everyone.

People might not rate this Gibson kid. But don't knock what he does best.
 
In fairness, he's responding to a stat kietotheworld pulled out his arse about Gibson converting one shot in ten, so the amount of shots Ronaldo takes is irrelevant.

Even a total fecking retard should be able to see that Gibson scores his fair share of goals for reasons other than he takes a lot more shots than the other players in our team. He takes a lot of shots because he's a goal threat, not the other way round.
 
kietotheworld said:
I most certainly am not!
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If that was the case you wouldn't be knocking the one thing Gibson is undoubtedly excellent at. It's fair enough you don't rate him. But just give credit where its due.

kietotheworld said:
Source for that? He scored over 30 Premier League goals in 2007-08 so that would still put him above Gibson.
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Obviously. After all he was the superior player finally fulfilling his talent. For a player still mastering his trade, Gibson is better than good at shooting.
 
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I doubt it really shocks anyone that you're wrong:

From ESPN.

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[B][U]SEASON    TEAM        Comp    GS    SB    G    A    SH    SG[/U][/B]
08/09    Man United    EPL    31    2    18    6    181    57
07/08    Man United    EPL    31    3    31    7    181    109
06/07    Man United    EPL    31    3    17    14    200    90
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When I talked of shots on goal I was actually referring to all shots at goal. Ronaldo's average shots a season where 272.6. I was clearly hyperbolic in my initial post:lol: but hey:D. Those are machine like stats.

They also prove that Ronaldo didn't have the type of conversion rate kietotheworld was claiming.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
In fairness, he's responding to a stat kietotheworld pulled out his arse about Gibson converting one shot in ten, so the amount of shots Ronaldo takes is irrelevant.

Even a total fecking retard should be able to see that Gibson scores his fair share of goals for reasons other than he takes a lot more shots than the other players in our team. He takes a lot of shots because he's a goal threat, not the other way round.
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That was in response to another unsourced claim - ie. that Gibson has the same shots to goals ratio as Cristiano Ronaldo.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
If that was the case you wouldn't be knocking the one thing Gibson is undoubtedly excellent at. It's fair enough you don't rate him. But just give credit where its due.

Obviously. After all he was the superior player finally fulfilling his talent. For a player still mastering his trade, Gibson is better than good at shooting.
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So you reckon I'm making it up then? That I actually do think he is this fantastic specialist he is made out to be, but I'm just saying it to annoy people? Give me a break.
 
If Gibson does go to Villa I hope we get Bannan in exchange.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
No I wont. You prove to us with stats how Gibson shoots as wantonly and wastefully as you claim. Because the ones I've come across don't agree with you.

Darron Gibson Profile, Statistics, News, Game Log - Manchester United, English Premier League - ESPN Soccernet
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Fair enough, those stats surprise me, I thought he took more shots than that. I don't have a source for the 10% number, but even taking those into account, I still think he shoots far too much.

Pogue Mahone said:
So you responded to an unsourced stat with a fictional one of your own?

To think people say the standard of debate in the football forums is going down....
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It's not fictional, I read it in a newspaper last season, it has probably changed now. I said I thought that was what it was, I didn't say it was definitely true. Unfortunately I don't write down URLs to reference everything I ever read in a Newspaper.

The standard of debate in the football forums is going down more because of the tendency of certain posters to try and score points against each other, try and make people look stupid, or call people spastics, and the inability to debate respectfully and politely. That's what reduce the debate to playground level, not unsourced statistics.
 
It's not difficult making people look stupid when they come out with shit like Gibson is only a goal threat because he takes loads of shots.

As for the style of debate you're experiencing on here when someone like you has feck all to offer other than constant sniping about our manager or our players then you can expect to be in the line of fire, more often than not. Brwned summed you up brilliantly in a recent post he made. Shame you didn't take any of it on board.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's not difficult making people look stupid when they come out with shit like Gibson is only a goal threat because he takes loads of shots.
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I once heard someone use that argument against Lampard :lol: :wenger:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's not difficult making people look stupid when they come out with shit like Gibson is only a goal threat because he takes loads of shots.

As for the style of debate you're experiencing on here when someone like you has feck all to offer other than constant sniping about our manager or our players then you can expect to be in the line of fire, more often than not. Brwned summed you up brilliantly in a recent post he made. Shame you didn't take any of it on board.
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It shouldn't be about whether it is possible to do it or not, it shouldn't be done anyway. It's the personalisation of the debates on here that make a lot of them turn into shit-slinging. Scholesy, for example, couldn't make a post on here for months on end without 3 comedic geniuses asking him about Luke Modric. If somebody is consistently making stupid points then they should be very easy to debate against successfully, and there will be no need to slag them, because it will be obvious that they are incorrect. Coming out with insults just leads to resentment, and doesn't add to the debate whatsoever.

You are probably too arrogant to take what I say on board, this post as a whole is probably a waste of time. The fact that you, somebody who was recently summed up as one who doesn't go a day without calling a poster or 6 a spastic, have been appointed as a moderator shows the direction in which direction the football forums are heading.
 
I just don't think his all-round game is good enough to be a first team central midfielder. We need our CMs to shield the defence, collect the ball off the centre backs and keep the ball moving into more dangerous areas. I don't think his work rate, passing or intelligence is good enough to do that. He's got a good strike that makes him at least a decent alternative and he's got a goal in him but I think he's a passenger in our midfield at times.

I think the difference between him and Fletcher is that Fletcher already had those attributes (he was raved about when he was younger), but needed to bulk up and improve his confidence to be able to impose himself on the game in CM and actually demonstate his ability.
 
Comparing Gibson and Richardson to guys who have played nearly 400 games for United, like Butt and Phil Neville, is not right. Nicky and Phil were United quality, and have the medals to prove it.
 
HsJ said:
Well, they put him on the bench a few times. He's younger than Gibson, and offered more for the reserves than Gibson did.

Gibson had his chance last year to impress...he didn't do so IMO. So he should take the chance to move to a good club like Villa who offer kids the chance to improve (also where there will be less pressure).

Eikrem IMO could offer something because he has done for the reserves. I don't remember anyone waxing lyrical about Gibsons reserve performances.
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you've obviously only been watching the reserves for the last season or 2. When Gibson was playing regular reserve team football he was head and shoulders above everything else. Then he went on loan in Belgium, then on his return on loan to Wolves, then started making first team appearances.

A lot of what has been said in this thread is a bit unfair. "He's holding others back", how the feck do you work that out? If someone is good enough they will get their chance

Gibson played something like 23 matches last season and scored 5 (?) goals

He has i think only played 2 first team games this season, so we cant really blame him for this seasons woes. The likes of Fletcher and Carrick have not been at the races, Scholes and Giggs are a year older, Anderson is Mr Invisible, and Hargreaves doesn't count anymore. It seems a lot of people are trying to say that if Gibson was not there we'd somehow magically have a new world class midfielder appear in the squad. Which is bollocks.

What i would say is that the lad is the type that needs regular football to get into his stride. He's not a 'stop, start' type of player. A section of our support has not patience, they expect instant success so they turn on players like Gibson. For that reason, i'd say good luck to him if he goes somewhere else, he will go on to prove that he is a good player.

btw his contract expires in 2012, so unless he gets a new one, i don't expect he will be loaned out unless its with a view to a perm deal

"He has similar attributes to Michael Carrick. He's a good passer - both simple and penetrative - and makes good runs into the box. He's a big, strong lad."
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Manchester United coach Rene Meulensteen hails Gibson's potential
 
The fact that our midfield hasn't been great and Gibson still can't get a look in, does that not show that he is not really rated by Alex Ferguson? Surely if he had the confidence in him that he says, that he would have played him more often? He'll probably play against Rangers, but if we had a PL game tomorrow, Gibson wouldn't be playing.
 
There's nothing really wrong with Gibson, but he's just not good enough to regularly play at the top level of English football in its current state regularly. If he wouldn't mind sitting on the bench, making 20 odd appearances a season, he could play for you for ever. Sort of like a less good Wes Brown type. If he's a lad of great ambition though, he'll go down and try and work his way back up. Sometimes a player just isn't good enough, and it seems a little pointless keeping him and winding his contract down, so best to sell him whenever it suits best parties best.
 
golden_blunder said:
think he's been injured a bit this season to be fair to the lad
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He has been for a bit, but not a substantial amount of the season. I understand your support for him, but he isn't getting a look in and there is a reason for that. Fergie doesn't play him unless it's against weaker opposition or he has nobody else to play.
 
Name Changed said:
He has been for a bit, but not a substantial amount of the season. I understand your support for him, but he isn't getting a look in and there is a reason for that. Fergie doesn't play him unless it's against weaker opposition or he has nobody else to play.
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I dont think thats fair comment at all. He played him last season, despite the other midfielders being in far better form than they have been this season. He even played the CL semi against Bayern. Thats not a sign that Fergie doesn't trust the fella.

As i said, he's been injured a lot this season, a lot of niggling ones which have held him back so far this season.

What i would say is that because his contract expires in 2012, he really needs to start pushing on now if he wants the chance of a new contract
 
He was played a little last season, but that was for rotational purposes. He played in a 3 man central midfield against Bayern but to be fair, there were only 4 midfield options and as far as I remember, the others had been playing practically every match.

I think he'll be sold at the end of this season or next so as to get some money for him.
 
Name Changed said:
He was played a little last season, but that was for rotational purposes. He played in a 3 man central midfield against Bayern but to be fair, there were only 4 midfield options and as far as I remember, the others had been playing practically every match.

I think he'll be sold at the end of this season or next so as to get some money for him.
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He was still played, which is my point. Fergie wouldn't play him if he didn't rate him.

Essentially i believe he will be sold too, but not because he's not good enough, but because we wont be able to guarantee him the games he needs
 
Aren't Gibson, Anderson and Carrick's contracts all up in 2012? I'm interested, does anyone see Gibson actually being a regular United starter in the future or are those defending him seeing him more as a squad player for life?
 
Devil may care said:
Aren't Gibson, Anderson and Carrick's contracts all up in 2012? I'm interested, does anyone see Gibson actually being a regular United starter in the future or are those defending him seeing him more as a squad player for life?
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I see him as a regular starter BUT only if he receives enough first team matches now, so that he can show what he can do. As i stated earlier, he's not very good at being a 'stop, start' player, he needs first team matches. Which is understandable for a player of his age. Being a squad player would not be good for his development
 
I do think his passing improved tremendously as the season progressed last year. Towards the end of the season he hit a few 40 yard passes that he would never have been able to make a few years back so it shows that he is still improving all the time. I say give him a chance, he did decently last year and who knows, he could be a late bloomer like Fletcher. We would have a real gem in our hands if he can improve his link up play even more because of the incredible goal threat that he is.
 
golden_blunder said:
He was still played, which is my point. Fergie wouldn't play him if he didn't rate him.

Essentially i believe he will be sold too, but not because he's not good enough, but because we wont be able to guarantee him the games he needs
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Without being facetious, if he was good enough he'd get the games he needs given the issues we have in midfield.

His major problem IMHO has been in watching games pass him by when he gets a start. And I don't believe Fergie will forgive him that in the long run, goals or not. I don't see him getting many more 'genuine' chances - as opposed to getting a run out to give others a rest - so he needs to start taking them and getting his all round game to where his shooting is. Otherwise he's going to spend his time at the club being the 18th or 19th man most weeks.
 
I don't think he will ever be good enough to be a regular starter at United to be honest. I wish he had the quality, especially with him being Irish as it would be great for us, but I don't see it. I think he could be a good PL player for a team of the standard of Wolves or Wigan, but in my honest opinion, he is nowhere near good enough for a top team.
 
Name Changed said:
He was played a little last season, but that was for rotational purposes. He played in a 3 man central midfield against Bayern but to be fair, there were only 4 midfield options and as far as I remember, the others had been playing practically every match.

I think he'll be sold at the end of this season or next so as to get some money for him.
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He started getting a lot of games towards the end of last season because of Carrick's horrendous form and he proved to be a decent replacement, if not for his passing but for his shots.
 
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