They shouldn't. Real Madrid can well cover it.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
They shouldn't. Real Madrid can well cover it.
I agree with this but at the same time it's the sad state of the transfer market. Players (specially young and promising) are valued more and more than ever.
Cost Liverpool £10m then at his prime was sold for around £30m.. So how can the young Xabi Alonso cost more than the combined fees paid for the current Alonso??
Real are a club that basically pay what the selling club require if they want a player. Bayern have also shown it recently and its good business. They get who they want, pay a few million over the odds but there's no bullshit...no ridiculous haggling to knock a few million quid off the price and in the process upset the selling club. With Illarramendi they get a hugely talented player for the long term and fully compensate Sociedad with a fee they deserve for nurturing his talent. It can then be invested back into the Spanish league. With the amount of money big clubs earn now it shouldn't be an issue this type of transfer. Apparently Real are now preparing another 30 million plus bid for Vidal, again no fuss pay what is required if you really want the player.
Why anyone should give a flying feck what the price is I don't know. A stack of people said Martinez was overpriced but who cares when he contributed so much to Bayerns treble win? This is the transfer market know and special young talent goes at a premium, you either play the game or miss out. Just for the record Neymar cost in the region of 50 million so quite a bit more than this kid.
Why anyone should give a flying feck what the price is I don't know. A stack of people said Martinez was overpriced but who cares when he contributed so much to Bayerns treble win? This is the transfer market know and special young talent goes at a premium, you either play the game or miss out. Just for the record Neymar cost in the region of 50 million so quite a bit more than this kid.
But both deals are not really comparable. Alonso transfered at the age of 27 to them after playing a vital role in Liverpool, contributing quite a bit for their CL win in 2005 and reaching the final two years later. He was also already a lead player in the Spanish national team. In short, the sum was based on current ability and standing.
The deal of Illarramendi is mostly about his potential. The boy has yet to play a single minute in the Spanish national team or on the international stage. I personally can not say, if his talent and potential is enough to justify such an amount of money, because I have not seen enough of him to truly judge it.
Most people I know reacted to this sum with bewilderment, but then again, talents in Germany in general never generate such huge transfer fees. Ilkay Gündogan (a player in a similar situation) for example transfered for a fifth of that money to Dortmund.
Paying that sort of money for him is ludicrous whatever you say.
Sure potential is nice and everything, but he could end up having major injuries like Sergio Canales and end up half the player he should have been.
Paying that sort of money is a massive risk - but it also sets a president for other teams. "If Illarramendi went for 36m Euros, then surely our player is worth 40".
Sure potential is nice and everything, but he could end up having major injuries like Sergio Canales and end up half the player he should have been.
Paying that sort of money is a massive risk - but it also sets a president for other teams. "If Illarramendi went for 36m Euros, then surely our player is worth 40".
I'm not sure Gundogan is a fair example given Illarramendi's been a key player in a team that qualified for the CL. I'd say it's more comparable to Reus - but then he still cost around half the price. There's no doubt Madrid paid above market value for him but they're just not operating on a budget like Dortmund are, that's how they work. I don't think it has to do with Spanish clubs in general as Madrid simply operate in a world of their own. From what I can see they don't have any pressing need for Illarramendi this season but they clearly felt that if they left it until next season then other clubs would come sniffing around so paying the extra €10m to push the deal through early was the easiest way of dealing with this. Isco went for just €6m to Málaga and many Spanish talents go for very comparable fees to those in Germany, it's just Madrid can blow teams out of the water when they want to. It's like Bayern.
Why is this causing such a fuss when Javi Martinez had also never played CL football and made only a handful of national team appearances and yet he went for the Bundesliga record of €40m? Javi Martinez is of course a better player but then that's why they paid a lot more. Madrid, like Bayern, simply paid whatever it cost to get their man.
Very much so. Even then though we paid over €30m for Anderson five years ago so it's not that absurd even from a United perspective, IMO. In fact we paid ~€55m to get Nani/Anderson while Madrid paid ~€65m to get Isco/Illarramendi. Factor in the inflation and it's basically the same deal for players of similar talent and reputation. Madrid paid almost €30m for Ramos almost a decade ago now. I don't think this is purely down to an inflated market, it's fairly typical of Madrid.
To quote Perez on a previous occasion:
"We're a football club not a bank."
They have a charity they run, a rapidly falling debt burden to cover. and the rest of the money gets spent on the club.
32m Euros? 2m Euros more than we paid for Anderson - a player with 24 games in 2 seasons with Porto. That's not a criticism of us buying Anderson, that's a reminder of what potential can cost. And before anyone says, yes but in £ it was only 20m - Porto, Real Madrid and Real Sociedad earn and spend Euros.
I really don't know if he'll give Madrid what they want. I don't usually remember who did what in what game - (unless it's a player that I want United to buy, like DdG, or they're wingers etc like Navas). If he does it, then he'll be a bargain. If he doesn't then Real Sociedad will probably benefit from the cash and get the player back cheap in a couple of years.
Incidentally Real Madrid now have 5 members of this summer's winning Spain U21 team, it's pretty obvious how their minds are working.
"We're a football club not a bank."
They have a charity they run, a rapidly falling debt burden to cover. and the rest of the money gets spent on the club.
32m Euros? 2m Euros more than we paid for Anderson - a player with 24 games in 2 seasons with Porto. That's not a criticism of us buying Anderson, that's a reminder of what potential can cost. And before anyone says, yes but in £ it was only 20m - Porto, Real Madrid and Real Sociedad earn and spend Euros.
I really don't know if he'll give Madrid what they want. I don't usually remember who did what in what game - (unless it's a player that I want United to buy, like DdG, or they're wingers etc like Navas). If he does it, then he'll be a bargain. If he doesn't then Real Sociedad will probably benefit from the cash and get the player back cheap in a couple of years.
Incidentally Real Madrid now have 5 members of this summer's winning Spain U21 team, it's pretty obvious how their minds are working.
I'm not sure Gundogan is a fair example given Illarramendi's been a key player in a team that qualified for the CL. I'd say it's more comparable to Reus - but then he still cost around half the price. There's no doubt Madrid paid above market value for him but they're just not operating on a budget like Dortmund are, that's how they work. I don't think it has to do with Spanish clubs in general as Madrid simply operate in a world of their own. From what I can see they don't have any pressing need for Illarramendi this season but they clearly felt that if they left it until next season then other clubs would come sniffing around so paying the extra €10m to push the deal through early was the easiest way of dealing with this. Isco went for just €6m to Málaga and many Spanish talents go for very comparable fees to those in Germany, it's just Madrid can blow teams out of the water when they want to. It's like Bayern.
Why is this causing such a fuss when Javi Martinez had also never played CL football and made only a handful of national team appearances and yet he went for the Bundesliga record of €40m? Javi Martinez is of course a better player but then that's why they paid a lot more. Madrid, like Bayern, simply paid whatever it cost to get their man.
Very much so. Even then though we paid over €30m for Anderson five years ago so it's not that absurd even from a United perspective, IMO. Madrid paid almost €30m for Ramos almost a decade ago now. I don't think this is purely down to an inflated market, it's fairly typical of Madrid.
It's 34m in pounds isn't it? About 40m Euros. I think the exchange rate when we signed Anderson would've made €30m back then about £20m. Anderson was by all accounts one of the best young players in the world around about that time, although I suppose fees have inflated massively in general by then.
I'm not sure of the exact figures but I think there's about €10m difference between Anderson/Nani and Illaramendi/Isco which seems in keeping with market inflation really.
Anderson was about potential - he still is. We bought him when the Euro/Pound exchange rate was at its most favourable, it was a cheap shopping summer in Europe for us.
Real Madrid have paid 38.949.900 euros: 32.190.000 (30m + inflation) and 6.759.900 of VAT/IVA that they will reclaim as normal.
The 32m Euros is roughly £28m.
International transfers are normally quoted without VAT, because that's how VAT accounting works.
Fans making a huge hue and cry over transfer fees is something I'l never understand. People who run the financial aspects of clubs are top professionals. The Madrid financial team arent dumb to risk the financial stability of the club over 1 player. If they're paying 38mil for him, they feel its something they can afford and considering his age, its going to be a good long term investment. Nothing wrong in it.
A footnote to the story. He was very emotional doing his goodbye speech yesterday but looked like he couldn't believe his luck at his presentation today in Madrid. He's from a town called Mutriku of about 5000 inhabitants and he brought 30 of his mates from the town with him, including some lads he played with as an U13.
His junior club put a clause in when he moved to Real Sociedad - 10% of his transfer fee (though sadly with a maximum of 600,000 Euros
), they've had payments before, like when he made his RS debut, but obviously not on anything like this scale. They're now trying to decide what to with the cash, roughly ten times their annual budget.
His junior club put a clause in when he moved to Real Sociedad - 10% of his transfer fee (though sadly with a maximum of 600,000 Euros
), they've had payments before, like when he made his RS debut, but obviously not on anything like this scale. They're now trying to decide what to with the cash, roughly ten times their annual budget.Yes they are and there are those who took care of the Carroll and Torres transfers.
I know I couldn't resit
Decent storyA footnote to the story. He was very emotional doing his goodbye speech yesterday but looked like he couldn't believe his luck at his presentation today in Madrid. He's from a town called Mutriku of about 5000 inhabitants and he brought 30 of his mates from the town with him, including some lads he played with as an U13.
His junior club put a clause in when he moved to Real Sociedad - 10% of his transfer fee (though sadly with a maximum of 600,000 Euros
On a side note I read the Madrid fans were chanting "We want Bale" at his unveiling?!