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Ashes II - 2013/14 - In Australia
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Swann retired?
:'(
Literally everything that could have gone wrong on this tour has.
Literally everything that could have gone wrong on this tour has.
Well that's unexpected. He's had a poor series but I'm surprised he's decided to retire mid-series.
What a bottler. Quitting in middle of a series 
that is bizarre. If all he's said in the interview is true and he's not just thrown the toys out of the prom, well played. One of the better spinners I've seen. He was very, very good for the major part of the last 3-4 years.
Didn't see that coming.
Just read that between his debut and today, he is the leading wicket taker in tests. Been a huge part of England's success, for me.
I would say that England's days as a team challenging for 1 and 2 will be over if Panesar doesn't seriously step up.
I would say that England's days as a team challenging for 1 and 2 will be over if Panesar doesn't seriously step up.
Don't think Panesar has the quality to fill the void of Swann but then I don't know what other options England have.
It's also rumoured that he was dropped for the next match and that's what triggered his decision. Guess he'll play in BBL and IPL now.
It's also rumoured that he was dropped for the next match and that's what triggered his decision. Guess he'll play in BBL and IPL now.
Jonathan Agnew tweeted saying that it was implied beforehand that this would be Swann's last series.
If he quit because he was dropped, that's poor. He should've stuck out the next 2 tests and announced his retirement at the end of the series, even if it meant he was on the bench for those 2.
Panesar's great in a 2 man spin attack but on his own, he seems a little out of ideas.
England are finished as a top 2 team for the near future, IMO.
I don't see a lot of top batsmen in the reserves and Swann's absence is going to be huge, particularly with Anderson nearing the end of his tether.
If he quit because he was dropped, that's poor. He should've stuck out the next 2 tests and announced his retirement at the end of the series, even if it meant he was on the bench for those 2.
Panesar's great in a 2 man spin attack but on his own, he seems a little out of ideas.
England are finished as a top 2 team for the near future, IMO.
I don't see a lot of top batsmen in the reserves and Swann's absence is going to be huge, particularly with Anderson nearing the end of his tether.
I always think playing county cricket in England after international retirement must be a great way to end your career. Looks peaceful. Swann's not doing that, of course, just pointing out.
This, to be honest. It's not like there is some promising youngster in the squad, he's keeping out of the team. It appears he's just fed up and has decided to leave his teammates to it.What a bottler. Quitting in middle of a series
Can't see it. He wouldn't get great offers and he'll have earned plenty played for England in all forms for a good while.
Think he'll get IPL offers. A full season from a quality off spinner. A lot of teams would pay good money. There's a new auction coming up in a couple of months with the teams being reset(forced to release all players bar 4 or so).
He'll get a good contract.
He'll get a good contract.
Forgot that England can tap up Dockrell if Panesar fails.
Odd to quit mid-series but his time was definitely up. He should've been dropped for the previous test.
Good option for ODI's. Not done much in the first class game, though.
What a bottler. Quitting in middle of a series
Harsh. He is in no way a bottler. The series has been decided and he said that he was anyway having thoughts of quitting prior to this series. No point hanging around for the sake of it like Indian players do. It gives England chance to try Monty for next 2 matches, see if it works and then start searching for Swann replacement.
He has always been a bit of twat. Won't be surprise if he decided to retire after being told that he is being dropped.
The timing of Swann's retirement is strange. I can only assume he was told he was dropped for Melbourne and then he decided to call it a day. Swann hasn't consistently bowled or batted well for a while, I guess Monty is the better bowler at the moment.
He's only 21, plenty of time to improve.
This will hit England hard, he's been absolutely awful this series, but he's almost always played well for England, taking key wickets with a brilliant economy rate (again prior to this series). His batting used to be useful as well, something that will become even more obvious now Panesar will step in. Certainly not much in the immediate future in the way of spinners. Maybe Kerrigan will develop into one, the horror show of his debut shouldn't mask his talent. I'd hope we're not going to go for the "safe" option of the summer tests of Panesar anyway, who seems to have a whole bunch of problems on and off the field this past year. He's not the future.
Could be an interesting time after this series, I wouldn't be too surprised if Pieterson retires from tests, whilst I'm not sure how much longer Anderson has in him. He's looked very laboured since the very first test back in England, maybe he'll just about eek out one more Ashes seeing as i'm sure he has his eye on the most wicket record, though if Finn hasn't been ruined completely by repeated overtraining (lessons which should have been learned from Anderson himself), he should be pushed very hard in those next 2 1/2 years whilst they clearly rate Mills a lot.
I can't agree with this, he was fine in the home series, excellent in India last year, and excellent against New Zealand at home. Panesar has a dreadful time in New Zealand away this year and was just as bad as Swann in the one game he's played this tour. Coupled with his awful fielding and batting, lets hope its not a long term thing.
Monty's been bowling well since his well documented off the field problems. I thought he was the better spin bowler in that game, and he bowled well in that test against the ozzies last summer. The harder pitches in Oz should suit Panesar. As for the longterm, I guess Kerrigan, Borthwick and Rashid are the most likely to succeed.
Surprised people are missing this.
He said he realised in Adelaide he wanted to call it a day, he's been dross this series. Easy to assume his heart hasn't been in it.
Jesus only England could go from beating a team to be absolutely obliterated by the same team 3 months later, has to the worse series England have had in a long, long time. Worse than 2006-07 IMO.
I meant to quote the post below, about George Dockrell not having done much in first class cricket.
Definitely promising. It'll be a good while before we'd be wanting to play him in the longer form, though, I would imagine.
I still think Kerrigan's the best option in tests, at the moment.
Harris and Siddle are currently Nos. 5 and 6, Johnson No.15, Lyon No. 21 and Shane Watson No.38, but the Australians also have James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc, Jackson Bird, Pat Cummins and Ben Hilfenhaus all returning from injuries.
Should any of Australia's fast bowlers struggle for fitness ahead of the Boxing Day Test, the selectors would look to Doug Bollinger and Nathan Coulter-Nile as the two standby fast men in the squad.
Incredible depth..
Should any of Australia's fast bowlers struggle for fitness ahead of the Boxing Day Test, the selectors would look to Doug Bollinger and Nathan Coulter-Nile as the two standby fast men in the squad.
Incredible depth..
What's all this about Swan slagging off people having their heads up their own arses?
Is that England players or Aussies?
Is that England players or Aussies?
What a bottler. Quitting in middle of a series
Really? He just clarified that the reason he quit was because the Ashes were lost and he didn't just want to take up a place in the team for the boxing day test for someone else. Seems a good opportunity to give someone else a chance to experience the boxing day and the other remaining test. Wouldn't call it bottling.
Fantastic to see Scott Borthwick called up. This lad really is a fantastic talent, currently bats at 4 for Durham and has a reasonable bowling average as well. I think Panesar will be given the nod but it will be great to see Borthwick given a chance. If him and Stokes can cement their places and play to their talents, it will give England two quality all rounders who can then be transferred to the shorter form of the game as well.
At the very least it's an extremely naive move by Swann, he should have stuck out the rest of the series even if he wasn't playing. This and the Facebook comments just make me feel like his heart was never truly in it from the get go this series.
I think he knew this was his last series and when he saw the ashes gone, he just quit. It was all a bit sudden but one door closes and another opens for someone else I guess.
He's a senior member of the team and supposedly a big personality in the dressing room. What kind of message does it send to the youngster to quit middway during the series in which the whole team has performed poorly?
It's hardly a case of retiring like Gary Neville, because Gaz was blatantly not good enough. Swann just took 22 wickets in the last Ashes series, what has happened in the past three months for him to retire suddenly?
Again we can only speculate but it does look like he only retired once he knew he was getting dropped.
I think the operation on his elbow hasn't helped. It was all a bit sudden and maybe there was thinking behind it from Swann's part which is difficult to understand but with his form, he might have been dropped anyway.
Yep I think that was the case as well but it has resulted in Borthwick getting into the squad so hopefully he can his shot.
I hope Borthwick gets no where near the team down under.
It's not that he's a bad spinner, although I can't say I've ever thought he's good enough as the only spinner in a Test side, but whats the point of exposing him to the Aussies?
They pretty much wrecked Kerrigan's international career, and even the far more experience and wily operators like Swann and Panesar have been expensive over this series.
What good does it do anyway to put Borthwick in the side and watch him get smashed around for 10 overs before Cook decides he can't bowl him?
It's not that he's a bad spinner, although I can't say I've ever thought he's good enough as the only spinner in a Test side, but whats the point of exposing him to the Aussies?
They pretty much wrecked Kerrigan's international career, and even the far more experience and wily operators like Swann and Panesar have been expensive over this series.
What good does it do anyway to put Borthwick in the side and watch him get smashed around for 10 overs before Cook decides he can't bowl him?
Yeah, looks as if he jumped ship. He should've retired at the end of the series...