Definitely out.
Ashes I - 2013 - In England
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Shame, would've liked to see Cook's square face fall again...second time in two weeks.
DRS can't use Snicko, but it confirms a nick. I thought maybe the hotspot might have been from his pad but he was actually nowhere near it. Out.
Dar has had a nightmare five days. How'd he not hear that nick?
There was a mark, which was very small, and there was doubt it could have been there from before. And also the nick was loud. Even snicko confirmed it
Umpire called it not out initially and it had to be reviewed for the correct decision.
The umpire did mess up in not calling it out to start with. That was the error I was talking about. No debate on out being the correct decision hereThere wasn't one, just traditional Aussie response
Disappointing way to end the game. Anyway, it was a great game. Fantastic advertisement for test cricket, the game went back and forth over all five days. Great effort from both sides and hopefully will have more games like this coming up.
Aussies need to do something with their batting. If Cowan is the best they have at #3, then they're in trouble. Finn should be dropped until he regains form. Bresnan will probably come in, but I'd like Onions to be given a chance.
The umpiring must improve. Dreadful from all 3 of them. Snicko should be available on DRS.
Aussies need to do something with their batting. If Cowan is the best they have at #3, then they're in trouble. Finn should be dropped until he regains form. Bresnan will probably come in, but I'd like Onions to be given a chance.
The umpiring must improve. Dreadful from all 3 of them. Snicko should be available on DRS.
GET IN!!! That nick was so obvious to hear, England players didn't seem that convinced either? Fantastic innings from Haddin. Great match overall.
It takes too long to put together, they can't do it and not have everyone waiting around for 5 minutes.
Sorry, my bad, the Aussie I work with is as myopic as a Liverpool fan
Ah ok. Fair enough.
Maybe Dar wanted to play it safe? Knowing Eng would review it?
Why? right decision was made.
Yes I got that impression as well. England were going to review anything at that stage.
Not saying the decision was wrong, just would've preferred it to end without it having to go to DRS. Dar should've given it out, clearly heard a noise.
He should not be considering such things although I imagine that's easier said than done.
I'm surprised the England player's weren't too convinced. Even Anderson didn't seem certain
England still need to sort this problem out of getting the tailenders out, they always struggle.
Great match
Huge win for England, the momentum gained from this can't be understated. An Australia win would have given them confidence into Lords and the rest of the series.
Huge win for England, the momentum gained from this can't be understated. An Australia win would have given them confidence into Lords and the rest of the series.
In fairness, Pattinson's average is around 30 I think? Probably better off switching him with Cowan.
why will Agar's innings be forgotten?
great interview from Clarke. Top bloke
MoM? Got to be Anderson. 10 wickets.
The fact the DRS is been talked about as a tactic for the captain's to use shows it's failing. The 3rd umpire should decide questionable decisions and that should be the end of it.
feck we really need to do something about our top order. Cowan at 3 really doesn't fill me with confidence. Fair play to Anderson he was deadly today and whole match really. I don't think too many Aussies would've expected us to win this match going into the series, so it gives us hope for the remaining two matches.
No. It's simple. You use DRS for howlers, not deliveries blatantly going down leg side. Cook hadn't pissed his away so was able to use them on marginal decisions like the one that ended up winning the match.
It's fine as it is, Cook's great at it and Clarke needs to improve. The key to it's usage is the keeper.
He did get MoM , but had to be a close call, with Agar batting where he did and in his 1st test.
Anyone watching this Graeme Swann interview with his son? 
That puts too much pressure on the umpire though, the temptation would be to review everything which shouldn't be the case, its like with the run out's where virtually any run out get's referred regardless of how obvious it is. The current system has it on the team to recognise and review mistakes which is how it should be. There's absolutely no problem with the review system if its used correctly.
LBW calls which just clip the stumps should remain not out regardless of the umpire's original decision imo.
Excellent test match, just a shame it'll be remembered more for the horrible Broad decision.
So if the umpire gives it out, and then is vindicated by DRS you still want the decision to be over-turned?
Nonsense, the game already favours the bat over ball too much as it is.
Frankly I am not sure how accurate Hawkeye is which is why if it's just clipping it should always be not out. In real time, there's no way I would have given Rogers out in the first innings.
Define "just clipping"?
That's already defined by Hawkeye is it not?
It is. Your statement that anything defined as "just clipping" should automatically be given not out, irrespective of the on field umpires decision, means that you actually want to rely MORE on Hawkeye by allowing it to overrule more of the umpires calls despite saying you don't know how accurate it is. So, that seems to directly contradict your view on Hawkeye, unless you're changing (or don't know) the current definition of "just clipping".
That Hughes decision looked not out in the real time. Fair play to England for reviewing it.
You're right, sounds stupid when you put it like that but I guess I am not comfortable with batsmen being given out when it just clips the stumps. But I am getting a bit muddled here so I'll leave it alone
Its not all down to the captains though is it?
Surely for LBWs the bowler and wicket keeper would have a big say, for snicks the people nearest the bat would be best placed to make the call.
The captains will depend on others, bit harsh on Clarke I think.