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Arturo Vidal
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We're currently earning crazy money, without Champions League.
We can afford to go nuts.
To be fair Nani is only valued at around £10M these days.
The truth has been written. This is no time to be miserly. If the player is the real deal, we should spend real money.
Smalling.
No, I agree with Hellboy, that's too much. We need a top cm, but not at extortionate prices, which that is. Remember, Vidal will be on massive wages. It's bull anyway. Juventus will want to accept the money in euro and £43m is approximately €54m. €50m (£39.6m) is the absolute max this deal will reach imo, however considering his wages will be high, I'd expect something closer to €40m (£31.6m). Also, no exchange deals, they very rarely happen, especially at Utd. A normal cash exchange is much more likely.
well woody let slip about trades in his interview
£10million for Nani? If we're lucky. Very lucky.
Vidal is worth easily £50million+ even at 27, as one of the elite central midfielders in Europe.
These ~£30million quotes are nonsense unless Juventus are completely broke or something.
They are broke. And Vidal isn't worth £50m+ (ridiculous suggestion). A top cm, but he isn't quite the top cm in the world. Somewhere between €40-50m or £30-40m is his true valuation.
Aye a ridiculous suggestion.
When top players now are being sold for £50-100million, I think ~£50million is probably within reason.
So then the actual cost is around £53m for Vidal then? I think it's fair given that Vidal being one of the best midfielder in the world.
Aye a ridiculous suggestion.
When top players now are being sold for £50-100million, I think ~£50million is probably within reason.
When top players are being sold for £20m (Kroos) and average players are being sold for £50m (Luiz) then I think it's time to realise that the transfer market isn't always a good judge of value. Attacking players who can play multiple positions attract the biggest bids because they can generally score goals, create goals, dribble and pass at an exceptional level (Bale, Suarez, Rodriguez). If some teams want to stupidly risk their position in Europe over ridiculous bids, let them, doesn't mean we have to pay that much too. Point is, we should be able to get Vidal for far less than that, and if we can't, I'd suggest moving onto a slightly worse, but still talented cm. Strootman will almost certainly join in January anyway, providing Van Gaal wants him of course. Let's not overrate Vidal here, he's a fantastic cm, but I doubt he will win too many games for us on his own (something players like Ronaldo, Bale, Messi, Suarez are capable of) and it's also worth mentioning that players who succeed in Italy often fail to adapt to the Premier League (Veron being the most obvious and probably the best example). Getting Vidal for between £30-40m shouldn't be a problem, but if it is, it's not the end of the world. I want Vidal at Utd, but I also want us to be able to spend consistently for the next few years (something I doubt PSG will be able to keep doing if they want to remain in the Champion's League).
Yes he is the top box to box midfielder in the world. Name me a better one.
I didn't say he wasn't the best box to box cm (though it's a bit of a toss up between him and Yaya imo), I said he wasn't the best cm, which he's not. I want Vidal here, but I don't want us to go crazy overboard on the price. At a certain point, he'll stop offering value for money. He's not going to score 20 goals or get 20 assists per season. He would probably be great here, but I'm getting wary of all these crazy prices I'm hearing, I don't believe them for a second.
We need a keano type player the most in this team, he is the very best option out there. I would spend crazy on him if I have the money.
One could argue that we already signed one in Herrera. Not quite as good as Keane was defensively, but neither is Vidal and he's better on the ball than Keane. Herrera's definitely box to box.
I'm a patient man but if the deal for. Vidal can't get worked out this week it's time to move on.
Kroos cost £26m because he was in the last year of his contract and would leave for free next year. Under different circumstances with a longer deal he'd have cost significantly more, in the region of £40m - £50m probably.
Slightly more £40m in cash with getting Nani off our paycheck won't be a bad deal to be honest. You have to remember that the price is often dictated not only by the selling club's financial position but also buyer's desire to buy - and in this case ours should be pretty high given our midfield issues.
Pretty much nailed it
Vidal is widely regarded as a great player defensively as well, as he is very well known for his hard tackling and tenacious style of play. Although Herrera is a complete player but I do think he is more of a attack minded box to box player. I think having both of them our team will be set in midfield for years to come.
That's an odd comparison, you aren't going to get a messi, ronaldo, bale suarez player for £50mil are you? You'll have to pay north of £70mil for players of that ilk. You also use Kroos as an example, he was in his last year of his contract so £20mil would seem like a bargain without all the facts. Vidal is the best midfielder in the world bar none, £50mil seems perfectly reasonable in today's market to me.
You do realize that we have more than a month left in the transfer window? If it takes until the final day of the window to get Vidal than I would absolutely take that scenario. It's not like the club wouldn't be looking for alternatives in the meantime.
Agree even that's pushing it. Nani hasn't player consistent football since 2012 most caused by persistent hamstring injuries not even Galatasaray would budge from their £7M bid.
Because Vidal is entering his prime so he'll be expensive but worth every penny.
Why? Is it only possible to work on one deal at time?
How many central midfielders have sold for £40m plus?
Fabregas £34m, Witsel £34m, Fernandinho £34m, Illarramendi £34m, Modric £33m, Javi Martinez £32m are the records currently. Given Vidal's contract status, the selling club's desire to hold on until they get a sizeable bid, the market boom (even this summer it's gone up another notch), and his status as one of the world's best, you'd have to argue any fee around or below £45m would be fair. Which I'm sure are all points Juve are making.
I would hope the club can find a sensible outcome.
You fair enough analysis. But people saying Vidal is worth at least 33% more than the most expensive central midfielders and good value at that amount is stretching it a little.
£35m a new record for a CM would do it IMO
Not often you get the chance to sign a world class midfielder, arguably the best in his position, at his peak. Hypothetically if we do manage to sign him for 5 years, he'll still only be 31 at the end of his 5th season. In the context where transfer fees have gone mad anyway, anywhere around 40+ mil seems alright.
On top of that, if he does become the player we hope he will be for us, shirt sales etc will easily cover a big part of the outlay. I would really love to see this one to go through.
On top of that, if he does become the player we hope he will be for us, shirt sales etc will easily cover a big part of the outlay. I would really love to see this one to go through.
Even the Chilean media don't have any conviction anymore. We're now only 'expected' to make a bid. Such a non-story.
Finish up your holidays Vidal you lazy cnut.
We signed Veron for £28.1m in 2001, how much would that sum be in todays market?
Plugged it into some online inflation calculators and 37-40m seems to be what it would be worth today. Keep in mind that the normal rate of inflation is a lot slower than the inflation in wages and transfer fees in football. I think it would be safe to assume that around 50m at least is what that Veron transfer is worth now.
I can't quite fathom why transfer records are being based on £, when the € is the more consistent currency and used for most continental football transactions. On that basis :
Veron cost € 45m. (excluding inflation costs)
Modric cost € 42m.
Martinez, Witsel, Fernandinho, Fabregas (to Barcelona) all cost approx. € 40m.
Illaramendi cost € 38m.
Veron cost € 45m. (excluding inflation costs)
Modric cost € 42m.
Martinez, Witsel, Fernandinho, Fabregas (to Barcelona) all cost approx. € 40m.
Illaramendi cost € 38m.
Mendieta and Nedved transferred for similar fees aswell, Zidane transfered for nearly £50m in 2001 aswell
I know the other lads are already in America.
A change in title now?
Tuttosport hmm..
They are meant to be closest to Juve.
They are meant to be closest to Juve.
They are also said to be the most reliable Italian paper. It's still on, this!
It's crazy money, but we heard it from Woodward, money is no issue for United right now. Called it all along, the club has to invest in it's players or risk falling down losing far more than the rumored potential £150m+ kitty. So totally seems worth it imo. If Nani sweetens the deal so its goes through then that's good, we need players off the wage list anyway.
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