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GoonerBear said:
I'm going to have to disagree with the folk in here saying the cup result is the cause of our demise. I don't think losing a close game at the Etihad with changes to the team affected us too deeply.

We lost to Everton simply because Everton were bang up for it, new manager bounces had them playing like demons, they played a big physical team, and they got the all important first goal from a set piece that gave them confidence and something to hold on to at another 1 of these grounds we seem to struggle at.

We dropped points Vs Brentford partly thanks to a refereeing decision, but also because Brentford are a very awkward team to play. They too are a big, physical team, and got their goal from a set piece, but they are well organised and in Toney and Mbeumo they are a big threat on the break.

As for today's game, if we were psychology damaged, then I wouldn't expect us to start the game so well first half, I would expect us to crumble after going a goal down etc. I hate the term bottled it, because it's thrown in lazily every time a team has a blip. I even read that supposedly Arteta bottled it last night, i mean, how did that happen?

However, there is something in this I think, call it bottle if you wish. I think sometimes a couple of our players play too emotionally at times, Gabriel being 1 of them, and I think that leads to a lack of composure in certain situations in big games, and you see errors like him charging out of the backline and leaving space in behind. I like Gabriel, and he has all the physical attributes to be a top defender, but that's what's stopping him becoming 1 currently.

I also think we just aren't there yet, in terms of proper squad building. We've all said we are light in certain areas, and it's not just to cover injuries, it's to give options when things aren't quite going to plan. Another transfer window will help with that, but everyone else will strengthen more too.

I get that everyone is happy over last night's result, and that we are having a blip and it's great to noise up the brash Arsenal fans. However, like anything else, most of the sensible Arsenal fans, posters on here as well, were always cautious because they understood we had a long way to go and had proved little yet and could see squad deficiencies. Unfortunately they noisy brash few gave a different perception to the more grounded many.
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Hey man, stop being measured and reasonable with your response to the game, we want full meltdown for entertainment value.
 
crossy1686 said:
Hey man, stop being measured and reasonable with your response to the game, we want full meltdown for entertainment value.
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There's a couple names already mentioned on here if they appear will help you with that. :)
Im sure you'll also get some triumphant defiance for your amusement.
I prefer to be more measured, both when we win and get beat, especially on a rival forum.
 
GoonerBear said:
There's a couple names already mentioned on here if they appear will help you with that. :)
Im sure you'll also get some triumphant defiance for your amusement.
I prefer to be more measured, both when we win and get beat, especially on a rival forum.
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Suggest Perma ban for sensibility.
 
GoonerBear said:
There's a couple names already mentioned on here if they appear will help you with that. :)
Im sure you'll also get some triumphant defiance for your amusement.
I prefer to be more measured, both when we win and get beat, especially on a rival forum.
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Must be tough on a rival fan forum to be fair, when you're losing everyone wants to be your friend, when you're winning everyone hates you. Arsenal played well last night and they've come a long way from previous seasons but you could just see that City had more cutting edge when they needed it, it's the same for United. Both teams aren't quite there yet but this summer could be huge for everyone involved.
 
GoonerBear said:
But surely if your counting say Weekend, Midweek, Weekend as 3 games, then we would count weekend to weekend as 2 games?
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Play a Sunday game, then Wednesday, and then a Saturday match that is 3 games is less than a week.

Our pattern has pretty much been like that compared to your matches and yous being tired apparently
 
Need a Haaland level striker, and a De Bruyne level midfielder to be able to compete with this City side.
 
redNATION said:
Mbappe and Bellingham once the Qataris come in.
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I know this post is tongue in the cheek stuff, but there is not a player closer to De Bruyne level and Bellingham is your technical, hard working midfielder with a knack of scoring goals. He has nowhere close to the passing and vision De Bruyne possess.
 
Nevilles.Wear.Prada said:
Suggest Perma ban for sensibility.
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I'll log off later when the fun really begins, as I get frustrated reading certain posts as well. :wenger:

crossy1686 said:
Must be tough on a rival fan forum to be fair, when you're losing everyone wants to be your friend, when you're winning everyone hates you. Arsenal played well last night and they've come a long way from previous seasons but you could just see that City had more cutting edge when they needed it, it's the same for United. Both teams aren't quite there yet but this summer could be huge for everyone involved.
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Don't expect anything less mate. I used to just read here for views etc and joined a couple of years back when we were poor to give a different argument to that of many that thought we should bin Arteta. Found that in general you can have a good discussion with most posters, all while bearing in mind it is a Utd forum so it's obviously going to be biased.

Think you are right about both teams, unfortunately I was always of the opinion that it was probably a season too soon for us, but ultimately things fall into place a bit and at the same time you want to ride that wave and enjoy the experience. The fact you are where you are in ETH first season is a great credit to him.
Once you become an Oil State Club ;), the sky really is the limit for you guys over the next few seasons. Of course, then I can just dismiss it as oil clubs wins are more meaningless, that's why many wanted City to win the league, right? :p
 
crossy1686 said:
They're missing more than that, the midfield looks shaky without Partey and the defence is pretty shit across the board.
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It’s enough against most teams though. EN missed two pretty much free headers yesterday.
 
Almost a month since their last win. You'd back them to beat Villa still but that type of thing can creep into a young side who are still developing and aren't used to challenging for titles.
 
Flexdegea said:
Play a Sunday game, then Wednesday, and then a Saturday match that is 3 games is less than a week.

Our pattern has pretty much been like that compared to your matches and yous being tired apparently
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Others might have said we were tired, I'm certainly not having that as any sort of reason or excuse. Lack quality and squad depth in certain areas so we can mix things up, sure, but not tired.
 
SilentWitness said:
Almost a month since their last win. You'd back them to beat Villa still but that type of thing can creep into a young side who are still developing and aren't used to challenging for titles.
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They NEED a win now. Mentality is just going to spiral.
 
I understand some dancing on Arsenal's grave but they outplayed City for large parts of that game especially in the first half. City ended that game with 35% possession. I know in the end, it doesn't matter but there was enough to show Arsnal can compete.
 
SilentWitness said:
Almost a month since their last win. You'd back them to beat Villa still but that type of thing can creep into a young side who are still developing and aren't used to challenging for titles.
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Villa with Emery is a banana peel game for them.
 
bringbackbebe said:
Not sure what's happening, but the usual "top 6" bar City seem to be slipping up.


Team​
Points over last 5 games​
Man City​
12​
Brighton​
11​
Brentford​
11​
Man Utd​
8​
Newcastle​
7​
Fulham​
7​
Arsenal​
7​
Spurs​
6​
Chelsea​
6​
Liverpool​
4​
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That Palace draw is going to haunt me.
 
Adisa said:
I understand some dancing on Arsenal's grave but they outplayed City for large parts of that game especially in the first half. City ended that game with 35% possession. I know in the end, it doesn't matter but there was enough to show Arsnal can compete.
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Don't get these posts.

Teams have beat city this year, its not like city haven't lost, but Arsenal at home got the possession trophy so showed they can complete against them, with zero shots on target.

It's not really a compliment you think you are giving them here.
 
Adisa said:
I understand some dancing on Arsenal's grave but they outplayed City for large parts of that game especially in the first half. City ended that game with 35% possession. I know in the end, it doesn't matter but there was enough to show Arsnal can compete.
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1 shot on target (penalty) at home. Aye I'm really jealous.
 
Adisa said:
I understand some dancing on Arsenal's grave but they outplayed City for large parts of that game especially in the first half. City ended that game with 35% possession. I know in the end, it doesn't matter but there was enough to show Arsnal can compete.
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Arsenal couldn't compete though, in the second half City were largely the better team and could have scored more than they did. Possession doesn't mean anything when it's your own back line holding onto the ball.
 
Adisa said:
I understand some dancing on Arsenal's grave but they outplayed City for large parts of that game especially in the first half. City ended that game with 35% possession. I know in the end, it doesn't matter but there was enough to show Arsnal can compete.
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1 shot on target in 90.

They had 0.00 nonPxG from the 23-88th minute.

Arsenal looked overawed to me, especially in the second half.
 
Adisa said:
I understand some dancing on Arsenal's grave but they outplayed City for large parts of that game especially in the first half. City ended that game with 35% possession. I know in the end, it doesn't matter but there was enough to show Arsnal can compete.
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One shot on target and that’s from the pen. 65% possession, peak Wenger ball.

They did create some promising chances (Nketiah’s header, the cross into the box that went uncontested), but over all it was just a lot of meaningless faffing about, while City could’ve scored a couple more easily, off the top of my head the cross bar attempt, the Rodri header, and if Haaland wasn’t offside by inches for the pen that was chalked off.
 
Adisa said:
I understand some dancing on Arsenal's grave but they outplayed City for large parts of that game especially in the first half. City ended that game with 35% possession. I know in the end, it doesn't matter but there was enough to show Arsnal can compete.
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Possession isn't everything as you say. In the last 3 PL games they've been overperformed in terms of xG. Signs of a wee crack.
 
SilentWitness said:
Possession isn't everything as you say. In the last 3 PL games they've been overperformed in terms of xG. Signs of a wee crack.
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Arsenal have been outperforming their xG and xGA the entire season. Some teams can overperform their xG all the way to a title win like Liverpool but more often than a return to means is in the cards and I guess this what’s finally happening to Arsenal.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Also, yes factually you have second best defense but thats why stats need context. Utd have conceded 7 more goals than you where there were 2 games in which they conceded 6 and 4 when we are a total mess. I would argue utd have done far better than you defensively given the amount of rotation that happens for us(Shaw as CB!).

Partey argument is justified as we also know how important Casemiro is for us but given how Gabriel Saliba were being sold as the second coming of Rio and VvD, it is laughable.
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Argument about you having better defence than us may not be far off. But my comments about our defence was more about our improvement in this area compared to last few years. We've largely cut out silly errors (unfortunately they came back this game) and we are much harder to beat now. We defend much better as a cohesive unit.

I don't play into player comparisons much but I think Saliba is worth the high praise he's been getting. He's only 21 and it's his first season in the league. He will only get better. Gabriel I don't think has been highly rated. Though as a pairing they are perfect for how we play. Our back 5 has an average age of 24yrs. I never would have thought that such a young defence would be doing as well as this after watching the likes of Sokratis and Mustafi the last few years.
 
WeePat said:
Arsenal have been outperforming their xG and xGA the entire season. Some teams can overperform their xG all the way to a title win like Liverpool but more often than a return to means is in the cards and I guess this what’s finally happening to Arsenal.
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Sorry, what I meant was that the opposition has outperformed them in terms of xG during the individual games but you're right in that aspect too.

Everton 2.09 (1) vs (0) 0.69 Arsenal

Arsenal 1.37 (1) vs (1) 2.18 Brentford

Arsenal 1.7 (1) vs (3) 2.01 City
 
Its pretty well known that Arsenal have something like 8 points more than their xG suggests they should. They are just evening that out at the moment. City will win the league and Arsenal can join the rest of us who have lost the title to the cheating twats that are City.
 
Really thought they looked a bit limp last night. That city team was not at it's best, but you still always felt they would have too much.

Odegaard had an off night which can happen, especially in young players. Saliba doesn't look the same player since the world cup break though, which would be a worry for Arsenal supporters
 
GoonerBear said:
I'm going to have to disagree with the folk in here saying the cup result is the cause of our demise. I don't think losing a close game at the Etihad with changes to the team affected us too deeply.
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IMO it's not so much the result but more the approach that it was a game we were content to lose. When you start feeling that you can sacrifice certain games/comps, complacency tends to creep in and IMO you can start to lose momentum. I felt it was way too early to be thinking like that.
 
There seems to be a drop off from 1st to 2nd half from Arsenal at the moment. Fatigue maybe? That will only get worse as the EL comes back and they are playing more and more.
 
Adisa said:
I understand some dancing on Arsenal's grave but they outplayed City for large parts of that game especially in the first half. City ended that game with 35% possession. I know in the end, it doesn't matter but there was enough to show Arsnal can compete.
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You probably want less possession to beat City:

Manutd - won (29% possession)
Tottenham - won (35% possession)
Liverpool - won (36% possession)

Arsenal - lost (64% possession)
 
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