I bet one of the first things he will do is to change the term limits to infinity.
Argentina Thread : Milei wants NATO security cooperation
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I bet one of the first things he will do is to change the term limits to infinity.
Glad to see that nature is finally healing after Argentina's WC win.
Civil unrest in 3....2....1
Appears to be a bit of a maniac. I’ve only seen a few headlines but in terms of abolishing the central bank, allowing people to sell organs, adopting the USD, relaxing gun laws and banning abortion - I wonder which he will do first.
When Trump congratulates you on the win, you know it's going to be bad.
Good luck Argentina..
How does it work, if he doesnt have a majority in parliament he can't pass laws?
Does he have it?
How does it work, if he doesnt have a majority in parliament he can't pass laws?
Does he have it?
Cross between a young Chris Farley and the Mexico NT manager
CR7 wouldn't have allowed this in Portugal.
Footnote
I know nothing of Portuguese politics
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I know nothing of Portuguese politics
You could compose an entire Adam Curtis documentary with just footage of him
He would siiuuuuuuu for peace
Party like it's 1974
Does he have actual policy power or would his policies mostly get blocked by other parts of the Argentinian government?
Bloody hell.
Who was it asking for advice about a holiday in South America? Should probably scratch Argentina off his list.
Who was it asking for advice about a holiday in South America? Should probably scratch Argentina off his list.
On the second video he is right that the right has won the cultural war, or more specifically the ideological war. And that has happened since the 80s. So anytime I see a neoliberal claiming about being anti establishment and talking about radical ideas, this someone forgets that there is nothing anti establishing nor radical about neoliberalism.
You'd get very good value for your money (I think). Their currency is shit. Steak and wine in Rosario sounds amazing.
That all depends on how you define “the right”. The likes of this guy and Trump are very different to the more centrist political parties who were successful 20 or 30 years before them. The battle they’re winning is fought almost entirely online and facilitated by lies and misinformation spread on social media. Which is a very different and very new battle compared to what went on in the 80s and 90s.
All seasoned with a whiff of tear gas and Molotov cocktails. Delightful.
The Elon Musk kiss of death.
I understand he needs to side with him, as he's a far-right loon himself, but he could have not been as dumb as to not let this one go without comment. He just has no fecking clue about Argentina, obviously, because prosperity is definitely, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt, undebateably NOT ahead for Argentina.
God, do I hate that fecking twat (Musk) and what has happened with this election, as I love Argentina and its people. Extremely dysfunctional and unequal country where all the ingredients are there for bigotry and populism to fester, and have been for decades. The more "moderate" right/centre and the left in that country have so much to answer for too, the whole political and economic system is rotten to the core there and that's why we are where we are.
God, do I hate that fecking twat (Musk) and what has happened with this election, as I love Argentina and its people. Extremely dysfunctional and unequal country where all the ingredients are there for bigotry and populism to fester, and have been for decades. The more "moderate" right/centre and the left in that country have so much to answer for too, the whole political and economic system is rotten to the core there and that's why we are where we are.
Looking forward to the reports on how Twitter actively helped spread disinformation in Argentina and heavily boosted this guys chance.The Elon Musk kiss of death.
The Elon Musk kiss of death.
"I actually used to be center-left but then they moved so far to the left that I suddenly found myself on the right"
This should have received a
earlier than this.The Elon Musk kiss of death.
Prosperity = Dystopia. At least he'll be able to flog his cars that "Blade Runner would drive" without the all the nonesense around safety concernes etc.
You could argue they voted against themselves every time they voted for the guys taking them to 40%, then 50%... and that at 62% you sort of start realising the other 38% can't be arsed any more.
Hundreds of thousands of well off Argentinians have moved over to Uruguay, many took their HQs with them if not their entire companies.
Of course it is, it's a football forum, I'm not going to write a dissertation.
Back in 1999 I did, for my BSc in the UK, on what would happen with the neoliberal reforms / Washington Consensus in Latin America. I concluded the entire continent would turn left over the next decade, then realise it didn't work either, no magical solution, then polarisation leading to violence (that last bit hasn't been as bad as I expected).
I barely got a pass: "for an economics degree you need graphs and figures, all you talk about is history, politics and societal norms and values". Go figure, I thought it was a social science.
Adopting the USD has to be number 1, the rest is idiotic libertarian discourse.
Their ability to cheat through the exchange rate and money printing is second to none. Not a terrible idea except I've no idea how you handle the day after and it would probably be all for nothing when the other guys return and reinvent the peso to go back to their own ways.
No, he doesn't, so will insist they continue to be in the shitter because parliament stands on his way. It's all very healthy for the democratic institutions.
Best time to go there for services, food, wine, meds and leather goods. Don't try buy any imported products, insanely expensive if available at all.
I've gone over once a month for the last year, some people go every week. As a reference, a one hour uber will cost you less than 5 quid.
This is very objectively a terrible idea, kind of Brexitlike. Esentially Argentina would renounce to its ability to implement monetary policy and/or stimulize its economy. In a country too saddled with foreign debt to expand its already enormous public spending in the case of a major crisis. In a world economy that's going through its most unstable period in the last 40 years. While at the same time the winning government is also threatening to cut ties with two of its major economic partners. So yes, a recipe for disaster.
I’m going to Argentina in January - should be interesting…Although Milei may be a loon, is adopting the dollar much different to the 1:1 exchange rate under Menem?
At least his hair is real.
So in your view, the only ones who are working are the well-off (many of whom own their own companies), while the poor, those who can't survive without government welfare, are... what? Lazy?
It probably is indeed. I can see all sorts of reasons why not, the problem is I can also see how their monetary policies have completely eviscerated Argentina's productive capacity.
I don't know the exact numbers right now as I haven't done any business with Argentina for years but the way it works is that they have an "official rate" at, say, $350/USD that people can hardly buy any dollars at (thus paying $1000/USD in the grey market) but if you are an exporter of beef, grains, whatever, when your dollars arrive they will exchange them at, say, $200/USD.
They just randomly and whimsically manage that as an effective form of taxation, more so if commodities are at high prices. It's mental, a country can't possibly work like that, not for long.
PS: but of course you must know all this if you support Santiago Wanderers
That's a deliberate oversimplification which is entirely on you.
It is a fact that the São Paulo agenda is anchored on increasing people's dependency on the state so that they can be controlled by the state.
Essentially, give them fish and make sure they have no idea how to fish. That's what the corrupt Kirchneristas have done systematically to sustain their political dominance.
Again, if 62% of the population depend on the state, who got you there other than the people running the country for the last two decades?
What do you reckon will happen to the 62%? All go and get better paid jobs tomorrow?
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What do you guys mean by 62% state dependency? Argentina's public sector seems to medium sized according to be google (roughly 17%).
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I'm not saying they didn't. Argentina is complete mess, clearly it's been poorly ran on top of whatever other problems there might be. Running a strong representative of that for president seems like a monumental miscalculation. I just happen to think the alternative of introducing insane anarcho-capitalism on an already suffering and struggling population is very much not the solution. As bad as things are, they can get much worse.
It's a football forum, I'm not going to write a dissertation.
Guessing it's a catch-all stat that includes pensioners, child-benefits, tax-credits etc. State dependency is very subjective. To some it means the unemployed, to others it means anyone that's ever used a public service.
Does anyone have a voter breakdown of the election ?
Well done Argentina, well done.
All the people I know who are dependent on the state is because they have health issues or can't get jobs that pay enough to support their households. Not because they're lazy. I would bet my house (if I could afford one) that it's the same in argentina. People not being able to make a living and needing help doesn't make them lazy.
In some ways they've elected someone who is worse than Trump, Modi, Bolsonaro, Orban, etc. On the other hand, Argentina is such a mess that it's easier to understand how someone like that could get elected. The other countries didn't have such an excuse. Particularly Britain, who had the least excuse of anyone for their omnishambles elections.