Are the Glazers preparing for a sale? | Saudis deny the news

[djembatheking]

They may end up buying Liverpool and we can watch them overtake us on league titles and add a few more european cup wins . At least we will have the satisfaction of being able to call them a plastic club though .
Anyway , I`m not worried about it as it`s not my club to sell , if the Glazers want to sell they will and there is nowt anyone can do about it .

 

[An Irish Red]

You cannot look only in a single window and come to some conclusion. Since Fergie left and we started the Ed era, the only clubs that have outspent us (wages + transfers) are City, PSG and Barcelona. This 'we are skint under Glazers' has no basis on reality, but if people say the same lie many times, for some it becomes real.

We spend little in relation to the money that we have; and when we do spend big it tends to be when we're outside of the top four.

We finished second last year and the board refused to sanction any significant spending. They have no ambition.

 

[lewwoo]

If Bin Salman has set his sights on buying Utd, and its a big if, then it will happen. It makes no difference how outraged sections of the fanbase are. Money talks and the glazers will be listening.

 

[Tarrou]

has anything happened for people to start thinking this has legs? I don't see anything that looks legit

 

[Fracture90]

You would not want the Saudis to own Liverpool or another of our rivals, hopefully they do indeed buy Utd because they will be everything the Glazers aren't, they will no doubt invest in the local community, invest in the redevelopment of the stadium, greatly improve the team/squad and the club will be debt free and challenge the likes City, psg, Barca, now thats a fair list of positives of where I want the club to be, how about you....

Yes, we can expect al qaeda and ISIS recruitment and training camps next to Carrington.

 

[acnumber9]

Where does this marketing shit come from, seriously? Was Lukaku signed to sell merchandise? Because if so, I'd fire the head of marketing immediately for extreme stupidity.

Was Pogba signed to sell shirts? Because he suspiciously looks like our best outfield player by a country mile.

Did we spend 50m on Fred because he's so popular in South Korea or something?

It comes from not being willing to spend a few extra quid for players in positions desperately required. It comes from everything we know about Ed Woodward. How long did they haggle for a few million over Perisic? Do you really believe our board sanctioned £90m for Pogba without considering the marketing impact? I’m not so certain we would’ve went to that price for just a good player. That doesn’t mean he isn’t also our best player, he is.

Do you think Sanchez just gets his wage for what he can do on the pitch? Do you think the board would have been more willing to spend £100m on Bale or on a defender despite what our greater requirement was?

The Fred signing baffles me in every way to be honest. He was never a Mourinho kind of player. Though Brazil internationals are certainly marketable if they work out.

 

[kidbob]

We are obviously an enticing opportunity for people like this. Buy us, clear our debt and our turnover is already outrageous enough to allow us to operate without the constant need to pump piles of money into the club. Would rather it didn't happen but it's out of our hands as fans. All we can hope for is that we don't become a club that ignores youth for huge signings year after year.

 

[acnumber9]

I agree, they were bad investments from a footballing perspective but is that down to the owners or to Ed Woodward and would it change or get worse with other new owners who have never run a Premier League team before?

It’s a separate problem which is solved by getting a Director of Football installed.

It’s impossible to know if it would get better or worse. For me while Ed Woodward remains in charge of footballing matters it won’t make the huge difference people think. I also don’t think a Director of Football is the holy grail either. He’ll report to Woodward the same way our managers do.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

It’s impossible to know if it would get better or worse. For me while Ed Woodward remains in charge of footballing matters it won’t make the huge difference people think. I also don’t think a Director of Football is the holy grail either. He’ll report to Woodward the same way our managers do.

If Woodward ignores a DOF's advice then he will quit. Then we will know precisely who to blame for the signings.

 

[Moriarty]

It comes from not being willing to spend a few extra quid for players in positions desperately required. It comes from everything we know about Ed Woodward. How long did they haggle for a few million over Perisic? Do you really believe our board sanctioned £90m for Pogba without considering the marketing impact? I’m not so certain we would’ve went to that price for just a good player. That doesn’t mean he isn’t also our best player, he is.

Do you think Sanchez just gets his wage for what he can do on the pitch? Do you think the board would have been more willing to spend £100m on Bale or on a defender despite what our greater requirement was?

The Fred signing baffles me in every way to be honest. He was never a Mourinho kind of player. Though Brazil internationals are certainly marketable if they work out.

Speaking of Sanchez, there are a few nuggets in here:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...nited-release-financial-figures-36582580.html

 

[Siorac]

It comes from not being willing to spend a few extra quid for players in positions desperately required. It comes from everything we know about Ed Woodward. How long did they haggle for a few million over Perisic? Do you really believe our board sanctioned £90m for Pogba without considering the marketing impact? I’m not so certain we would’ve went to that price for just a good player. That doesn’t mean he isn’t also our best player, he is.

Do you think Sanchez just gets his wage for what he can do on the pitch? Do you think the board would have been more willing to spend £100m on Bale or on a defender despite what our greater requirement was?

The Fred signing baffles me in every way to be honest. He was never a Mourinho kind of player. Though Brazil internationals are certainly marketable if they work out.

So, again, why did we pay 75m for Lukaku then?

Honestly, the patterns seems to be that they are generally willing to pay big money for younger players who are long-term investments but are reluctant to spend a lot on players over 28-29 unless they are clearly top quality which Perisic most obviously wasn't and isn't. Not to mention left wing wasn't a position where we desperately required anything.

No club signs every player the manager wants. Not PSG, not City. That's just not how this business works. And I'm thankful to Ed and co. that they did not swap Martial for Willian.

 

[Revan]

We spend little in relation to the money that we have; and when we do spend big it tends to be when we're outside of the top four.

We finished second last year and the board refused to sanction any significant spending. They have no ambition.

It is not true though. City and PSG have more money than us, way more money than us, so yes, they spend more than us. Real and Barca have as much money as us, we spend more than the first and less than the second. Juve, Bayern, Liverpool, Chelsea and so on have less money than us, and we have outspent them all since Ed/post-SAF era started.

 

[acnumber9]

So, again, why did we pay 75m for Lukaku then?

Honestly, the patterns seems to be that they are generally willing to pay big money for younger players who are long-term investments but are reluctant to spend a lot on players over 28-29 unless they are clearly top quality which Perisic most obviously wasn't and isn't. Not to mention left wing wasn't a position where we desperately required anything.

No club signs every player the manager wants. Not PSG, not City. That's just not how this business works. And I'm thankful to Ed and co. that they did not swap Martial for Willian.

I would say Lukaku is a mix between relatively marketable and a player the manager wanted. I agree the age comes into it as well.

You haven’t answered any of my questions. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of our opinions. I don’t believe we’d have broken the world record for a less marketable player. Woodward wanted those headlines.

I never said they should but every player the manager wants but when there’s a glaring weakness you have to invest. Had a marketable player been available I think there would’ve been more willingness. Do you disagree?

 

[breakout67]

If Woodward ignores a DOF's advice then he will quit. Then we will know precisely who to blame for the signings.

You are a bit late. We were offerred De Ligt and De Jong 1-2 seasons ago and we rejected them. A scout of ours that had been here for 16 years was fuming at this decision and held a meeting with Ed calling out certain people as incompetent for rejecting them. He is now an ex-scout and feels that this meeting with Ed was part of why he was sacked.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

You are a bit late. We were offerred De Ligt and De Jong 1-2 seasons ago and we rejected them. A scout of ours that had been here for 16 years was fuming at this decision and held a meeting with Ed calling out certain people as incompetent for rejecting them. He is now an ex-scout and feels that this meeting with Ed was part of why he was sacked.

I'd heard about that. It is worrying.

 

[Siorac]

I would say Lukaku is a mix between relatively marketable and a player the manager wanted. I agree the age comes into it as well.

You haven’t answered any of my questions. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of our opinions. I don’t believe we’d have broken the world record for a less marketable player. Woodward wanted those headlines.

I never said they should but every player the manager wants but when there’s a glaring weakness you have to invest. Had a marketable player been available I think there would’ve been more willingness. Do you disagree?

Yes, I disagree, for a lot of reasons.

First, we invested plenty of money in generally not very marketable players, from Fellaini to Schneiderlin, from Herrera to Bailly, from Lukaku to Matic.

No club breaks the world record for players who aren't marketable. World records are broken for the very best players and those tend to be marketable anyway. We were never going to break records for Willian and Perisic because they aren't that good.

So yeah, Pogba is very very good and there was an opportunity so we got him and it was a great investment.

 

[acnumber9]

Yes, I disagree, for a lot of reasons.

First, we invested plenty of money in generally not very marketable players, from Fellaini to Schneiderlin, from Herrera to Bailly, from Lukaku to Matic.

No club breaks the world record for players who aren't marketable. World records are broken for the very best players and those tend to be marketable anyway. We were never going to break records for Willian and Perisic because they aren't that good.

So yeah, Pogba is very very good and there was an opportunity so we got him and it was a great investment.

Well not much more to be said then. I think you’re naive.

 

[Sandikan]

It is not true though. City and PSG have more money than us, way more money than us, so yes, they spend more than us. Real and Barca have as much money as us, we spend more than the first and less than the second. Juve, Bayern, Liverpool, Chelsea and so on have less money than us, and we have outspent them all since Ed/post-SAF era started.

Spending money is relative to a lot of things.
How your team has been run recently for one. We ended up with a right old mess of a squad a few years ago, so had to whop the Lukaku and Pogba money out just to bring the quality up. With the fees having massively risen it naturally cost loads more.

City meanwhile had the luxury when Pep came in, of arguably already having the best players in those 2 positions, yet still managed to ship £50m on about 5 or 6 defenders since.

 

[AP88]

It’s obvious who the Islamist sypathisers are here - remind me of City fans.

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles; if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.

 

[Valar Morghulis]

It’s obvious who the Islamist sypathisers are here - remind me of City fans.

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles; if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.

Wanting the best for the club = being an "Islamist sympathiser"

 

[JohnnyKills]

Can the Saudis even watch the Premier league legally? I ask because Qatar has got the regional rights sown up through BeIN and that's banned in Saudi Arabia for political reasons. They've created their own pirate version, BeoutQ, but that's going to stamped out soon it seems.

 

[MDFC Manager]

It’s obvious who the Islamist sypathisers are here - remind me of City fans.

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles; if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.

Horrific post. The bold is just beyond arseholish ffs.

 

[JohnnyKills]

It’s obvious who the Islamist sypathisers are here - remind me of City fans.

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles; if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.

Steady on pal. I was with you until that last line.

 

[Siorac]

Spending money is relative to a lot of things.
How your team has been run recently for one. We ended up with a right old mess of a squad a few years ago, so had to whop the Lukaku and Pogba money out just to bring the quality up. With the fees having massively risen it naturally cost loads more.

City meanwhile had the luxury when Pep came in, of arguably already having the best players in those 2 positions, yet still managed to ship £50m on about 5 or 6 defenders since.

We won the league in Fergie's last season. We spent all that money from the starting point of a title-winning squad. We just fecked it up, massively.

 

[FujiVice]

if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.

fecking hell.

 

[Joseunited]

It’s obvious who the Islamist sypathisers are here - remind me of City fans.

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles; if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.

Crossed the line there i'm afraid,way over the top.

 

[Tarrou]

It’s obvious who the Islamist sypathisers are here - remind me of City fans.

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles; if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.

I mean we already voted in a party happy to sell them weapons to drop on Yemen. Do you already think the same for people who voted Tory?

 

[Kostov]

@Sky1981, I agree with your view that they're decent owners, and I'd much rather have them than many of the others. The money hasn't been invested well and three managers in six years hasn't helped.

And who let that happen? We are one of the worst run big clubs in the world and that's thanks to the structure implemented by the Glazers, leaving Woodward to play FM in his own real life save.

 

[sullydnl]

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles

This is okay.

if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.

This is not okay.

 

[Catt]

And who let that happen? We are one of the worst run big clubs in the world and that's thanks to the structure implemented by the Glazers, leaving Woodward to play FM in his own real life save.

Never played fm so I wouldn't know, but I assume you're alluding to Sanchez, ADM etc?
The structure is something they are looking to change by the looks of it and hopefully we can get a steady ship by getting the right manager this time.

 

[Gehrman]

You are a bit late. We were offerred De Ligt and De Jong 1-2 seasons ago and we rejected them. A scout of ours that had been here for 16 years was fuming at this decision and held a meeting with Ed calling out certain people as incompetent for rejecting them. He is now an ex-scout and feels that this meeting with Ed was part of why he was sacked.

Pretty shocking if true. We spent 50 million on Fred but turned down some of the worlds hottest prospects in de ligt and de jong? Really hope it's not true, because it would confirm my suspiscion that the club is run by idiots.

 

[Sandikan]

We won the league in Fergie's last season. We spent all that money from the starting point of a title-winning squad. We just fecked it up, massively.

No we'd gutted that squad before we started really lashing the money out.

 

[Siorac]

No we'd gutted that squad before we started really lashing the money out.

We signed Mata for a club record in January 2014 and then broke the British record for Di Maria in the summer.

 

[Hound Dog]

This story is the Redcafe equivalent of the Loch Ness monster. They scanned the damn lake dozens of times and found nothing yet some people still believe it exists.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

It’s obvious who the Islamist sypathisers are here - remind me of City fans.

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles; if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.

FFS, no need for that!

 

[Sandikan]

We signed Mata for a club record in January 2014 and then broke the British record for Di Maria in the summer.

Disjointed buys.
I'd argue it was through Jose we really started putting in big multiple buys together.

 

[Siorac]

Disjointed buys.
I'd argue it was through Jose we really started putting in big multiple buys together.

That's a different argument now. We're basically at 'we spent our money terribly, without any concept or plan' which is what my point has been all along.

 

[JPRouve]

I'd heard about that. It is worrying.

We were never offered the players, he said that we compiled multiple reports which is true for pretty much every players that have caps with the main youth national teams. That was a meaningless point.

 

[Valar Morghulis]

This story is the Redcafe equivalent of the Loch Ness monster. They scanned the damn like dozens of times and found nothing yet some people still believe it exists.

Or it could be like Game of Thrones. Occasional winter is coming warnings as a sequence of events take place unbeknownst to many, until the Glazer wall suddenly crumbles down for all to see.

 

[MadDogg]

You are a bit late. We were offerred De Ligt and De Jong 1-2 seasons ago and we rejected them. A scout of ours that had been here for 16 years was fuming at this decision and held a meeting with Ed calling out certain people as incompetent for rejecting them. He is now an ex-scout and feels that this meeting with Ed was part of why he was sacked.

We weren't offered them. The scout recommended we sign them, as I'm sure every other scout from every other top team were saying. Ultimately we didn't sign them. Neither did any other team at the time.