Are the Glazers preparing for a sale? | Saudis deny the news

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J_XO said:
Whoever the Saudis buy, it will seem like game over for everyone else. The amount of money they have is ridiculous
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I think that's why United makes the most sense.

They're the Bugatti of football clubs. Every rich man has a nice car but only the richest have the Bugatti.

Plus they could pump as much of their money into the club and no one would question it due to our ever growing income.
 
Trizy said:
I think that's why United makes the most sense.

They're the Bugatti of football clubs. Every rich man has a nice car but only the richest have the Bugatti.

Plus they could pump as much of their money into the club and no one would question it due to our ever growing income.
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Yeah United are the obvious choice for them really. Especially with rivals down the road that they can compete with
 
AP88 said:
It’s obvious who the Islamist sypathisers are here - remind me of City fans.

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles; if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.
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I’ve read some shit on these forums, god knows I contributed to some of it but this little nugget of joy just about tops the lot.
 
AP88 said:
It’s obvious who the Islamist sypathisers are here - remind me of City fans.

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles; if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.
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Or you can see it as a way to extract wealth from these "savages"!

Or you can see it that a brand as big as United will be a significant spotlight to force better ways!

Or you can look at it that it will happen anyway so would you rather a super rich Liverpool or a super rich United!

Or you can look at it that very few others could buy us so would you rather sponge Bob Glazer's or pump it out Saudis!

Or you could look at it that you support United and who owns us shouldn't be much of a concern to you!
 
AP88 said:
It’s obvious who the Islamist sypathisers are here - remind me of City fans.

No amount of investment justifies accommodating these savages - Saudi exports the Wahabi death cult that has inspired practically every act of terror this century, condemns homosexuals to death and women to games of head tennis with pebbles; if you’d embrace that in exchange for superficial, City-esque success, then you can have no complaints should you or your loved ones fall victim of the next inevitable attack on the West.
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If it means we can see a front a 3 of Ronaldo-Messi-Mbappe I for one will welcome our new saudi overlords!
 
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Never smoke without fire. I do think there is something in the air with a takeover soon.
 
Adebesi said:
It's not just the moral bankruptcy of the Saudi regime. Its also a question of whether buying success, buying dozens of ready made world class players, is actually what we want. People pay a lot of lip service to traditions, youth development and local players. What happens to all that when the Saudis want to buy a £100m player in every position? Would people still enjoy winning like that? Honestly, it sounds hollow to me. I just don't see the point in it.
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The issue is only the Saudi regime, if Bezos bought United and did that, I'd be over the moon.
 
With FFP in place, that's why Saudi Arabia can't buy the low-value club and start from scratch if they want to compete with Qatar's PSG and UAE's City. Buying United is like an instant, United have financial, infrastructure and sponsorship to match any club, top team, we could spend 300-400m in summer and still comfortable to comply with FFP.
 
Amnesty International rightly described Abu Dhabi's reign over City as an attempt to "sportwash" their country's reputation. I can't see how this wouldn't be the same thing but much worse again given our status relative to City's.

Watching literally everything positive about the club (it's history, culture, players, success, popularity, etc.) being used to gloss over and legitimise the reputation of a brutal regime would be pretty disgusting. Why on earth would people want to sully the club in that way when we're already one of the richest in the world?
 
sullydnl said:
Amnesty International rightly described Abu Dhabi's reign over City as an attempt to "sportwash" their country's reputation. I can't see how this wouldn't be the same thing but much worse again given our status relative to City's.

Watching literally everything positive about the club (it's history, culture, players, success, popularity, etc.) being used to gloss over and legitimise the reputation of a brutal regime would be pretty disgusting. Why on earth would people want to sully the club in that way when we're already one of the richest in the world?
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Oh yeah, were this to happen it would be a blatant sportwash. There is no doubt that is the motivation for it to happen.

I just don't think given the extremity of the Saudi regime and the size of United, a sportwash can happen. No one outside of football (and even within really) knew who City were before Abu Dhabi took over them but everyone knows who United are. If United were taken over by MBS, every bad thing the Saudis do will be further highlighted within Western media.
 
Many reasons as to why there's substance to these Saudi takeover reports, from the Glazers perspective they know in order to even compete for the top 4 will require sustained investment and with transfer fees getting bigger that in itself is bound to be a concern for them, also the stadium sooner or later is going to require investment too, the club and football has changed since 2005 and super rich clubs like City and PSG are changing the landscape, the Glazers probably think and feel that now is probably the right time to cash in and get a good return!
 
It this just rumourmill bullshit? Or is there anything substantial behind this?
 
Cal? said:
The issue is only the Saudi regime, if Bezos bought United and did that, I'd be over the moon.
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The regime is clearly the more urgent issue. But money in football risks gradually eroding interest in the game IMO. I already know a number of football fans who have basically lost interest in the PL. Including a Chelsea fan who barely watched any of their last title winning season. I think more will react similarly over time.
 
Adebesi said:
The regime is clearly the more urgent issue. But money in football risks gradually eroding interest in the game IMO. I already know a number of football fans who have basically lost interest in the PL. Including a Chelsea fan who barely watched any of their last title winning season. I think more will react similarly over time.
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Some fans will come some fans will go, but I don't think an massive investment in United from an "acceptable" source will see us lose fans overall.
 
You can't dismiss City as a plastic club and then be good with this.

But it's a minor point compared to getting in bed with some of the most awful people on the planet.
 
glazed said:
You can't dismiss City as a plastic club and then be good with this.

But it's a minor point compared to getting in bed with some of the most awful people on the planet.
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Your first point is wrong because United have the history and were always a big club before the owners (if it happens). City were a nothing club before their owners.

The owners and what they stand for is the issue.
 
reddaz71 said:
Coming out publicly with denials merely adds to the smoke and theres far too much smoke to be just a rumour, IF its true then the denial is probably aimed at not trying to cause any distractions mid season.
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reddaz71 said:
Personally been a Utd fan since 1977 when the club was owned by the not exactly whiter than white Edwards family. the Glazers? Don't get me started...IF the club is bought out by Saudi then I will still be a fan because first and foremost its the team I've always supported and not whoever the owners might be, for what it's worth the Saudis will be a 100 percent improvement on how the current owners run the club thats for certain, zero debt, stadium redevelopment, probable investment in the local community as well as challenging for the title and champions league!
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reddaz71 said:
This is probably happening folks like it or not, Qatar have the world cup and psg, Abu Dhabi have City, now Saudi wants a slice of the action, and bring it on as this will make us an even bigger juggernaut to be completely honest!
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reddaz71 said:
You would not want the Saudis to own Liverpool or another of our rivals, hopefully they do indeed buy Utd because they will be everything the Glazers aren't, they will no doubt invest in the local community, invest in the redevelopment of the stadium, greatly improve the team/squad and the club will be debt free and challenge the likes City, psg, Barca, now thats a fair list of positives of where I want the club to be, how about you....
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reddaz71 said:
Many reasons as to why there's substance to these Saudi takeover reports, from the Glazers perspective they know in order to even compete for the top 4 will require sustained investment and with transfer fees getting bigger that in itself is bound to be a concern for them, also the stadium sooner or later is going to require investment too, the club and football has changed since 2005 and super rich clubs like City and PSG are changing the landscape, the Glazers probably think and feel that now is probably the right time to cash in and get a good return!
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Seems like you are trying to will this takeover into existence mate, you pop in with random posts nearly every day. :lol:

I wouldn't hold your breath if i were you.
 
Cal? said:
The issue is only the Saudi regime, if Bezos bought United and did that, I'd be over the moon.
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He'd put us in an orange and black strip. Other clubs would get 5 emails a day reminding them there's a promotional code applicable to purchasing Andreas Pereira.
 
MadDogg said:
We weren't offered them. The scout recommended we sign them, as I'm sure every other scout from every other top team were saying. Ultimately we didn't sign them. Neither did any other team at the time.
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Langley specifically said that we 'turned down' De Ligt, and he was the player that had been scouted many many times. When you turn down someone it means you had the option to sign him. De Jong was simply on our radar and fits more with what you said. His words suggest that we could have had De Ligt in our team right now, but De Jong was not that far along in terms of buying.

Langley was sacked in 2016, 7 months after this happened. This means that we had extensively scouted De Ligt in 2015. No way 'every other scout' was wanting to buy them, that wouldn't happen until Ajax had their breakout season in 16/17.
 
afrocentricity said:
It this just rumourmill bullshit? Or is there anything substantial behind this?
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It’s been dismissed by many but the rumours just won’t go away. I think that their potentially could be something in this but let’s just see what happens.
 
stevoc said:
Seems like you are trying to will this takeover into existence mate, you pop in with random posts nearly every day. :lol:

I wouldn't hold your breath if i were you.
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He really really wants this to happen :lol:
 
Needham said:
He'd put us in an orange and black strip. Other clubs would get 5 emails a day reminding them there's a promotional code applicable to purchasing Andreas Pereira.
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:lol: not the orange and black part :nervous:
 
JJ12 said:
Your first point is wrong because United have the history and were always a big club before the owners (if it happens). City were a nothing club before their owners.
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History or not, success under the Saudis would stem from exactly the same source as PSG, City and Chelsea. Becoming the plaything of corrupt oil money. The previous size of the club is irrelevant in my mind.

But I agree. It is the nature of the suggested owners that is the problem.
 
Cloud7 said:
He really really wants this to happen :lol:
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Yeah it seems so, i thought when a minister from the Saudi government released an official statement saying that these rumours are completely false that that would have put an end to it.

But i severely underestimated the blind optimism of some Transfer muppets who are salivating over this rumour.
 
Cal? said:
Some fans will come some fans will go, but I don't think an massive investment in United from an "acceptable" source will see us lose fans overall.
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No you're right. If anything I'm sure it'd attract fans overall.

Speaking personally I think it would erode my emotional investment in the side. Though i can't imagine I'd lose interest altogether.
 
Adebesi said:
No you're right. If anything I'm sure it'd attract fans overall.

Speaking personally I think it would erode my emotional investment in the side. Though i can't imagine I'd lose interest altogether.
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My emotional investment has been eroded a lot, but I’ve always assumed that’s more to do with age.
 
breakout67 said:
Langley specifically said that we 'turned down' De Ligt, and he was the player that had been scouted many many times. When you turn down someone it means you had the option to sign him. De Jong was simply on our radar and fits more with what you said. His words suggest that we could have had De Ligt in our team right now, but De Jong was not that far along in terms of buying.

Langley was sacked in 2016, 7 months after this happened. This means that we had extensively scouted De Ligt in 2015. No way 'every other scout' was wanting to buy them, that wouldn't happen until Ajax had their breakout season in 16/17.
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Ajax wouldn't have let De Ligt go under any circumstance, he's their Mbappe and his potential's been known about for years, he swept up awards as a teenager in youth tournaments. Langley wasn't sacked because he had a go at Woodward, we completely revamped the academy and he wasn't good enough to be kept on, probably to do with missing out on big talents to Lancashire rivals.
 
A positive maybe that the Saudi’s would be in it to make us better from top to bottom. Best facilities, best staff, best stadium etc. They wouldn’t be in it for the profits but for the statement.

And if they do get bored and want to sell, it’ll be easier and cheaper to buy from the Saudi’s than the Glazers.
 
breakout67 said:
Langley specifically said that we 'turned down' De Ligt, and he was the player that had been scouted many many times. When you turn down someone it means you had the option to sign him. De Jong was simply on our radar and fits more with what you said. His words suggest that we could have had De Ligt in our team right now, but De Jong was not that far along in terms of buying.

Langley was sacked in 2016, 7 months after this happened. This means that we had extensively scouted De Ligt in 2015. No way 'every other scout' was wanting to buy them, that wouldn't happen until Ajax had their breakout season in 16/17.
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I read that as they turned down his recommendation (and that was likely more that we just didn't sign him, rather than actively not wanting to), rather than turned down an option to actually sign him.

I don't see any reason to believe we were actually offered De Ligt. It would have been extremely unlikely, and even more unlikely that we would have refused considering how highly he was rated.
 
I’m sure this has been discussed, so apologies in advance, but what is the amount you think it’d take for the Glazers to sell up? £4 billion?

Is there any one person or group that could genuinely afford to buy us (other than the Saudi’s) who could be interested?

Genuinely curious.

Thing is with the Saudi’s, they wouldn’t be buying United to make money will they? It will be more of a dick waving exercise / trophy for them. They’d pump stupid amounts into the club just to be the best of the best. Which begs the question - if we are going to sell for £4 billion or so, is there enough money in it for someone / some group to make a substantial amount of profit? And if so, would they then really heavily invest in making us the best football team? It’s all up for debate.

The Glazers really did get a bargain.
 
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stevoc said:
Seems like you are trying to will this takeover into existence mate, you pop in with random posts nearly every day. :lol:

I wouldn't hold your breath if i were you.
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true, I want whats best for the club moving forward.
 
Cee90 said:
I’m sure this has been discussed, so apologies in advance, but what is the amount you think it’d take for the Glazers to sell up? £4 billion?

Is there any one person or group that could genuinely afford to buy us (other than the Saudi’s) who could be interested?

Genuinely curious.

Thing is with the Saudi’s, they wouldn’t be buying United to make money will they? It will be more of a dick waving exercise / trophy for them. They’d pump stupid amounts into the club just to be the best of the best. Which begs the question - if we are going to sell for £4 billion or so, is there enough money in it for someone / some group to make a substantial amount of profit? And if so, would they then really heavily invest in making us the best football team? It’s all up for debate.

The Glazers really did get a bargain.
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Well, according to Forbes, there are around 50ppl worth US$20B or more in the world.

Not sure if any of those are United fans...
 
Adebesi said:
No you're right. If anything I'm sure it'd attract fans overall.

Speaking personally I think it would erode my emotional investment in the side. Though i can't imagine I'd lose interest altogether.
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I think that happens with age. If you over a certain age and you've got nowt else in your life other than football then you're either very lucky... or perhap...very unlucky.
 
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