Are the Glazers preparing for a sale? | Saudis deny the news

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Giggsyking said:
So are the fans, they dont love the owners, we have nothing to do with the owners, we love the club. Same logic.
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It really isn't the same logic. You love the club, not the owners but some owners make it difficult to support the club, same as you (I assume) love your county but you don't feel the same for the people governing the country.

You've made an example with UK government selling weapons to SA, which is quite diabolical but I doubt the regular people can do much about it. They can organize some protests, go in the streets, but in the end they'll have to drop it all because they'll have to go back to their lives, work and get paid to support their families.

Whilst if your club is bought by a murderous prince there's plenty of ways you can protest without having to risk your own experience and wellbeing. Stop going to games, stop buying merch, stop paying for TV subscription etc.
 
Josh 76 said:
And if the house needs serious repairs, the landlord has to fix them with his own money.
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I will look for the tweet. The Glazers have spent nearly £300m of their own money. I don't want to give the impression that I'm defending them but people act like they have carried out a heist.
Edit: Found it.
 
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Fracture90 said:
It really isn't the same logic. You love the club, not the owners but some owners make it difficult to support the club, same as you (I assume) love your county but you don't feel the same for the people governing the country.

You've made an example with UK government selling weapons to SA, which is quite diabolical but I doubt the regular people can do much about it. They can organize some protests, go in the streets, but in the end they'll have to drop it all because they'll have to go back to their lives, work and get paid to support their families.

Whilst if your club is bought by a murderous prince there's plenty of ways you can protest without having to risk your own experience and wellbeing. Stop going to games, stop buying merch, stop paying for TV subscription etc.
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Yeah, but if a Saudi prince buys United it’s not going to be to make money. Boycotting wouldn’t hurt their pockets at all. Also, realistically speaking there’s never going to be enough people willing to boycott for it to make an impression either.
 
JSArsenal said:
How would Bin Salman even pass the fit and proper person test after the whole Khagsoogi assassination?
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Because the fit and proper test is not about how they run their country it is about how they could bankroll a club...

The fit and proper test is to ensure a club is not sold to somebody who would run it into ruin.
 
SirAF said:
Yeah, but if a Saudi prince buys United it’s not going to be to make money. Boycotting wouldn’t hurt their pockets at all. Also, realistically speaking there’s never going to be enough people willing to boycott for it to make an impression either.
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I see where you're coming from. Personally I'm thinking that saudis are contemplating the purchase as a way to repair their image and I assume many fans would be against them and would proceed, so it won't be as much of hurting their pockets, rather it would be a way to ruin their plans of laundering their image as a tyrannical oppressors that they are.
 
Fracture90 said:
I see where you're coming from. Personally I'm thinking that saudis are contemplating the purchase as a way to repair their image and I assume many fans would be against them and would proceed, so it won't be as much of hurting their pockets, rather it would be a way to ruin their plans of laundering their image as a tyrannical oppressors that they are.
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Yeah, that would probably have an effect, but I don’t see even remotely enough fans being willing to do that.
 
I think if people can't stomach us not being the very best, with the newest shiny toys they should just feck off and support someone else, probably City seems to be what they're actually after from a football side. Can't believe people are actually sad this isn't happening (yet) :wenger: horrific.
 
Just out of interest -

If City owners were buying United would people be more happy? Or PSG owners?

Is it purely the Saudi's that are turning everyone off or something that is similarly found in all the oil rich clubs?
 
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Adisa said:
I will look for the tweet. The Glazers have spent nearly £300m of their own money. I don't want to give the impression that I'm defending them but people act like they have carried out a heist.
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When the Glaziers took over United they put the club in debt. Over 50% of the money the club has spent outside of wages since 2006 has been to pay off this debt, which is the same as paying the Glaziers since they control the club. The 300M you are referring to I'm pretty sure is referring to when they refinanced the debt by issuing a series of bonds back 2010. Which I would guess appears as an investment from the owners since the bonds were between the Glaziers themselves.
 
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Judas said:
I think if people can't stomach us not being the very best, with the newest shiny toys they should just feck off and support someone else, probably City seems to be what they're actually after from a football side. Can't believe people are actually sad this isn't happening (yet) :wenger: horrific.
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It’s like the easiest fecking test of moral judgement you could draw up and people still can’t pass it. Absolutely mind-blowing.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
Just out of interest -

If City owners were buying United would people be more happy? Or PSG owners?

Is it purely the Saudi's that are turning everyone off or something that is similarly found in all the oil rich clubs?
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It's the same issue but worse, Qatar and UAE at least make steps in the right direction if you believe Amnesty International while SA don't give a damn, mainly because they are far more powerful.
 
I personally don't want the Saudis buying us for many reasons which I'll leave unsaid. But I do understand the people wanting owners that put success above financial gain.
 
Now there is an official denial but just out of curiosity - if the Saudi prince really wants to buy and our current owners are willing to sell, can the deal be stopped then by anyone? Can the fans stop it from happening? Or the board or our legends/icons? Or the deal goes through regardless of how we feel about it? Just asking.
 
SteveJ said:
:lol:

The authorities would welcome Hitler himself.
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So would a lot of Man United fans if this thread is representative. As long as he would spend a lot of money to buy top players, of course.
 
Denis79 said:
I personally don't want the Saudis buying us for many reasons which I'll leave unsaid. But I do understand the people wanting owners that put success above financial gain.
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At that level of spending that owner doesn't exists, even QSI are with PSG because of financial gain. They use it as an entry ticket for local markets particularly in hospitality and tourism.
 
tieunhilang said:
Wot? Doesn't being a Manchester United fan mean we want the best for our club, we want our club to succeed? The thing some posters say about they'd rather have United fall into obscurity or City to win and put us in their shadows just because they dislike the Saudi reign really staggers me. :nervous:

So rather than "glory hunter" as they accuse others of, they'd prefer to play "moral hunter"?
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I personally would prefer United to cease existing than become the propaganda tool of the evilest regime in the world. If Saudi Arabia buys United, I am done with United.

Call me whatever-hunter.
 
ship50 said:
Now there is an official denial but just out of curiosity - if the Saudi prince really wants to buy and our current owners are willing to sell, can the deal be stopped then by anyone? Can the fans stop it from happening? Or the board or our legends/icons? Or the deal goes through regardless of how we feel about it? Just asking.
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Of course it goes through regardless. How can ordinary fans stop a legal business transaction.
 
If football has accepted Man City's and PSG's owners, then I don't see the problem here.. at least we'll be competing again.. City seem to regularly spank us now-a-days. And we've just witnessed PSG school us too. isn't it about time Man Utd were actually Man Utd again?
 
Denis79 said:
I personally don't want the Saudis buying us for many reasons which I'll leave unsaid. But I do understand the people wanting owners that put success above financial gain.
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Don't think you'll find a United fan that likes the Glazers. Everyone would like every penny of our earnings spent on the club.
ship50 said:
Now there is an official denial but just out of curiosity - if the Saudi prince really wants to buy and our current owners are willing to sell, can the deal be stopped then by anyone? Can the fans stop it from happening? Or the board or our legends/icons? Or the deal goes through regardless of how we feel about it? Just asking.
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No, there's nothing anyone can do.
 
ship50 said:
Now there is an official denial but just out of curiosity - if the Saudi prince really wants to buy and our current owners are willing to sell, can the deal be stopped then by anyone? Can the fans stop it from happening? Or the board or our legends/icons? Or the deal goes through regardless of how we feel about it? Just asking.
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From my understanding there are certain tests that he would have to pass but they are essentially regarding whether or not he has the financial stability to make his ownership sustainable which obviously wouldn't be an issue. Not like the NFL for example where all the owners in the league vote on whether they feel he is the right type of person.

Only way the fans could stop it would be buying the club themselves. Which really would be my choice.
 
JPRouve said:
At that level of spending that owner doesn't exists, even QSI are with PSG because of financial gain. They use it as an entry ticket for local markets particularly in hospitality and tourism.
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If the Saudis bought United they would use the club in a dick-measuring contest against the UAE and Quatar.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
Just out of interest -

If City owners were buying United would people be more happy? Or PSG owners?

Is it purely the Saudi's that are turning everyone off or something that is similarly found in all the oil rich clubs?
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They're infinitely better than Saudis (probably cause those countries are less powerful). What the Saudis are doing to Yemen should make anyone who has a drop of decency in their blood to want to distance themselves from them. That is without even started talking about the financing of the worst ideology since Khmer regime, and being directly responsible for IS, Al Qaeda, 9/11 and so on.
 
Sky1981 said:
You really should read more about business 101.

It's called investment. It's not my club and it's not your club. You dont owe 1 cent of it. All of the assest are glazer's and not fans.
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You should learn about football 101. It's not just a business, that much is obvious to anyone who isn't brain dead or a Glazer shill. Fans don't leave to buy their products elsewhere, they are a captive audience, so the owners have a responsibility to them. Obviously I am not suggesting we literally own shares in the club. The support on here for them is truly pathetic and embarrassing. I bet you all love Mike Ashley too.
 
ship50 said:
Now there is an official denial but just out of curiosity - if the Saudi prince really wants to buy and our current owners are willing to sell, can the deal be stopped then by anyone? Can the fans stop it from happening? Or the board or our legends/icons? Or the deal goes through regardless of how we feel about it? Just asking.
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Everyone who disagrees gets an invitation to Saudi's embassy in London.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
From my understanding there are certain tests that he would have to pass but they are essentially regarding whether or not he has the financial stability to make his ownership sustainable which obviously wouldn't be an issue. Not like the NFL for example where all the owners in the league vote on whether they feel he is the right type of person.

Only way the fans could stop it would be buying the club themselves. Which really would be my choice.
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Absolutely, but that ship sailed when people didn’t pull out their fingers before the Glazer takeover.
 
Oil money? Really? Slagging man city and PSG off and then getting into bed with the first arab country wafting some petrodollars under our nose. Isn't that two faced and fickle?
 
Revan said:
Everyone who disagrees gets an invitation to Saudi's embassy in London.
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That is a scary prospect after what has happened in Turkey :(. But I'll be waving a black flag, along with my mates, when he is in my country (most probably in the next few days).
 
Since the the takeover happen in 2004 we been linked to so many takeover first it was the Red Knights, Then it was Qatar, Now it Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. And before then some Mystery Chinese investor, and before that class of 92 with the backing of Qatar.

And everyone of the so call takeover have fizzled out or been denied by the Glazers, Yet again more fake news as the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia have just denied the takeover.

As did Qatar when they were linked with a takeover. Yes and I know what people are thinking they could be lying to keep the share price low and keep market low as possible for future transfers.

But what people need to understand that few millions here and their not going to make much differences to a family wroth around £850 billion.

2014 Glazers said they wanted to keep Man Utd for minimum of further 5 years at least. That 5 years is coming to an end very soon but they made no indications they want to seller Man Utd.

And just can not see them selling their money making machine just yet. Why would you sell something that making you money ?

Only way we getting rid of them is when we unable to make them anymore money. They leveraged us with 790 million debt which still after 14 years still has not been paid off.

with the interest alone we could of made a super team of 5 Messi`s and 5 Ronaldo`s. The only thing the Glazers care about is money going into their pocket.

off the pitch on the pitch they would not care if we did not win the league for the next 50 years so long as top 4 is made and sponsorship commitments are met for them to make their money.
 
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Aloysius's Back 3 said:
Just out of interest -

If City owners were buying United would people be more happy? Or PSG owners?

Is it purely the Saudi's that are turning everyone off or something that is similarly found in all the oil rich clubs?
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They're all pretty bad but Saudis probably the worst of the lot. Certainly in terms of being a terrorist state they are. I wouldn't want us to be owned by the others either though. We don't need Human Rights Abuser being at the head of this club like PSG n City do. Their clubs simply would have never competed without their owners. That's the ugly truth their fans don't like to admit.

I'm genuinely shocked so many are disappointed by the news today but I suppose it just shows the state the world is in. Nobody seems to care about anything anymore.
 
Denis79 said:
If the Saudis bought United they would use the club in a dick-measuring contest against the UAE and Quatar.
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I'm sure they would which is why Mbappé wouldn't be sold to us.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
They're all pretty bad but Saudis probably the worst of the lot. Certainly in terms of being a terrorist state they are. I wouldn't want us to be owned by the others either though. We don't need Human Rights Abuser being at the head of this club like PSG n City do. Their clubs simply would have never competed without their owners. That's the ugly truth their fans don't like to admit.

I'm genuinely shocked so many are disappointed by the news today but I suppose it just shows the state the world is in. Nobody seems to care about anything anymore.
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Well said.
 
rotherham_red said:
Just as I predicted, why are you lot so easily taken in by this BS I'll never know...
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It's a forum you know, a place where people tend to discuss things and considering our game is this evening, we had plenty of time to discuss stuff.
 
b20times said:
Oil money? Really? Slagging man city and PSG off and then getting into bed with the first arab country wafting some petrodollars under our nose. Isn't that two faced and fickle?
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Welcome to football! Is this your first time encountering football fans?
 
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