@Fracture90 you have been chatting some shite in here all morning. From them changing the name of the stadium, not playing the youth and constantly saying we'll buy Neymar. The amount of assumptions you have made are ridiculous. No deal looks likely as it was only the fat man from the sun saying it, there media team have denied the rumour for now. For all the things you've said that Saudi's will do maybe we should look at what the current owners haven't done. We are all aware of the political storm surrounding the Prince, not everyone needs to be told over and over again. We know your strongly against a takeover, others aren't because they have had enough of the Glazers and want a change.
Are the Glazers preparing for a sale? | Saudis deny the news
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I don't understand this. In life and in politics I'm all about fairness and equality but this is sport...it's Darwinist competition by nature and you don't get points or prizes for your ethics and morality
If you want Manchester Utd to be about values and community and to do things the 'Manchester United way' then I'm afraid you'll need a time-machine and this stopped being a reality the day we became a PLC
I personally don't see why having a despotic regime with seriously questionable values as the 'listed' owners of our club is any worse than having A N Other oil-magnate, Sheikh, American ultra-Capitalist or generic billionaire in charge.
Your comparison with City actually does ring true for me...it's the same argument they used for years when they were winning nothing but were the club for 'real' Mancunians who were all about real footballing values. See how they all forget that pretty quick when they're top of the table...as I said earlier....it's sport and bleating about ethics and values only ever seems to come from the mouths of the losers. It's also hard to argue that Manchester hasn't benefited at all from the Abu Dhabi investment
Brilliant post mate. I tried to express this same point, but couldn’t do it as eloquently as this.
I dont think anyone, not even the Saudis, want to pay 4 billion for a club that hasnt won a league title in 6 years.
This and the fact that the Glazers are probably looking for more than four billion.
I for 1 welcome our new Saudi overlords
So where would you draw the line?
MBS mate transfer me the money I'll buy the club
I think that Saudi tweet actually hints that a deal couldn't get worked out because of money.
Really don't think the Saudis actually have enough liquidity to buy a £4bn asset, let alone a football club.
I think they do. I reckon the Sun story was a kite flying exercise to see if the fans would accept them as owners. And they got a fairly negative answer.
I wouldn't draw the line anywhere....if the club is bought legally and the FA approve the new owners then fine
This whole debate really is a total black hole. As soon as you start debating who is and who is not fit to own what and what that means for you and your support of that organisation you'll find that it's a philosophically long and energy-draining debate to try to 'win'.
Impressed at @RedTillI'mDead’s eye for business goings-on. Fair play!
Wouldn’t be happy being another Saudi owned money cnut. Yes we spend a fortune but it, to me, stems from years of hard work. It’d be a very easy target for thick football fans to point to Saudi funding every time we buy a big player.
Wouldn’t be happy being another Saudi owned money cnut. Yes we spend a fortune but it, to me, stems from years of hard work. It’d be a very easy target for thick football fans to point to Saudi funding every time we buy a big player.
What if Kenny Dalglish bought the club?
Anyone who uses things like Uber and Twitter in their lives can feck off from their moral high ground
I think I'd prefer the Saudi's.
It's not your line to draw; you don't own the club
Of course it is. I am a fan/supporter/customer of the club. Without our buy-in, it's just 11 millionaires kicking a ball for no good reason.
Everyone has a line.
Would rather not have them as owners but I wouldn't stop supporting the club if they owned us.
Don't they have 4% or so of Uber stocks? Wouldn't care if they have 4% of United stocks, they probably have some shares already.
Being owned by them and being essentially their tool is a totally different matter though.
I wouldn't like it
The big issue is, it turns out there are not that many multi-billionaires who are also delightfully moral people
I wouldn't either, but I think it would be a stain on the club, just as the Glazer ownership is a stain on the club and history will come to see it that way more clearly.
The thing is also, that we don't need a sugar daddy owner, we just need an owner that does not suck all the money we generate.
If that's the case, I would think @glazed is kind of right. It is just a matter of where do we draw the line.
We already have that. They are getting circa 20m out of the club in form of dividends (and 25m or so in form of interest payments, but then our combined interest payments + taxes are less than Arsenal taxes despite that we have a higher revenue than Arsenal, so interest payment at this stage is more a way on paying less taxes than actually sending money out of the club).
I would care, but itd be a weird situation. If you have been a dinamo supporter your whole life, you're understandably apathetic to them now but you still care about them I'm sure and look forward to the days or hope for a better future? You're still a dinamo supporter, just more like how many were with Mourinho, frustrated, annoyed and hoping for change.
That's what I mean. I'm not gonna stop watching United, not gonna stop supporting them regardless of who the owner is. The owner isnt the face of the club in my eyes. It would suck and put a damper on things, sure, but the guy putting money into the club isnt what I'm supporting. We fall into the 2nd division with some idiot in charge or compete for everything with billionaire owners, either way I support the club.
I would seriously have to consider my support of United if this happened. Absolutely disgraceful regime.
I became annoyed and frustrated under Mourinho, because the actual football side of things was a mess and complete against our traditions. I still supported and loved the club. You can be annoyed and still love them. For me it's not quite the same thing have shady owners and a shite manager that you want gone. I personally dont pay much attention at all to any of the business aspects of football. I pay attention to new signings because they impact any on field matters, but contract issues, stock issues, owners sucking money out of the club or whatever else.... I really couldnt be bothered. Theres so many political problems around the world to get annoyed with that I just cant be arsed to worry about football politics or boardroom level issues. So yes, I will still support the club, watch the games and enjoy the games. Of course it's better if they arent in charge, if we have a good and "legit" owner, but I'm not gonna stop supporting the club because of shit that happens off the pitch at board level. That doesnt impact me and what I watch on the pitch.
Why are you comparing playing bad football with being the plaything of a regime that is genociding a neighboring country, and is the main financier of IS and Al Qaeda?
I'm not saying they're the same, but what I am saying is that if they are in charge, it's not going to stop me from supporting the club. Like I said, I really cant be too arsed to get too invested into board level affairs. Of course it impacts the club, but I watch football on the weekends purely for the sport of it and can ignore everything else that goes on behind the scenes. I'm not saying it's a good thing if they take over, I'm just saying it wont impact me watching the club on the pitch once or twice a week.
I'm saying that I watch football for football. On the pitch issues. I dont give 2 fecks about who the Glazers are, where they get their money, and so on. I dont care about them. Good owners, bad owners, what I'm concerned with is the on pitch stuff. I dont watch football to be invested about board room issues. The names of the random directors or owners of the club really doesn't impact me. I know it's all inevitably linked, but I'm saying I watch football for football, so you wont really find me complaining about anything past the players and the manager himself. I just cant be arsed to invest my time in that and let that affect my feelings on the pitch.
Like people get so enraged about the glazers, and all the shit in the past we've been through. They are well within their rights to. But I couldn't tell you the name of any owner or chairman or anything apart from the Glazers, and Martin Edwards. I dont even know how I would judge if either were good owners or shite owners. I really dont pay attention to that. People hate the glazers but under Sir Alex when they took over (I know its despite them, but still) we underwent possibly our most successful period ever.
To each on their own.
I don't care about owners too, for the most part they are businessman trying to get money from the shares or whatever. However in this case, we are talking for a family who had the blood of tens of thousands on their hand, and for whom United will be a big PR, used to further increase their power, potentially get a World Cup (similar to Qatari) and so on. For me that would be the breaking point as a football fan (though probably I would still watch World Cup and Euros).
I think that would be irrelevant, or maybe even a plus if their investment put us on top of the food chain again. The chance to own and be associated with one of the biggest sports brands on the planet has to be a very attractive proposition for a mega-rich despot.
4billion for a worldwide pr is cheap though. And it's not a sunken cost.
They bought an asset of 4bn. Worst situation they could easilly sell it at 4bn back. It's not like buying a depreciating asset
They are not my owners, they are the owners of the football club. I owe them nothing, they owe me nothing. I will follow the team, not Bin Selman or Afram Glazer. I never said I am proud of the owners after winning any trophy and will never do.
I am not ready to give up anything. I just dont fecking care who owns the club. Why would I? We live in a world where we have choices to make that affects people lives everyday, why would caring for who own Manchester united that " something I cant control" make me stop or continue watching the team. You are Swedish, did you know how much weapons and ammunition your government sold to that same regime for many many years? It is a government you voted for many times and maybe part of your own salary comes from that Saudi money. I bet you did not say I will not accept my salary because it is tinted with Saudi money?!
Draw the line where it comes to supporting your club? Why does there have to be a line? From my point of you which I said a few times - I watch football strictly for on the pitch matters. There isnt any line off the pitch. I'm not going to stop supporting a club I've supported my life because some fecked up rich guy bought it. I'm still going to support the club, just hope long term he leaves and we're in better hands, but either way I have no interest in anything off the pitch so I dont see why I should stop supporting my club like I do now or I did 20 years ago, just because in the future someone else might be the owner. Them being the owner doesnt change who we are (it's how I see it).
I am but one fan, it is true. But many will share this view, and that will be financially damaging.
So would you be okay with a serial infant rapist and murderer to play for the club if he was really good? Provided he doesn't do the raping and murdering on the pitch of course
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