A quick search of the OPs posting history brings up 3 pages worth of stuff about women’s football alone. Almost all of it is critiquing it in some form.
Are female commentators so bad?
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No, no they're not. There's a few who are bad but no worse than the dudes.
So? So are huge amounts of the articles and think pieces about womens football that prompt discussion. So are many of the topical stories that bring womens football to broader conversation. Critique is the nature of discussing things
A quick search of your history sees posts about womens nipples in tennis, 'tasty' women from chile at the world cup, and women not being funny. why would we play that game?
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I think a lot of them sound very bored, not sure if it's because they're trying to be professional.
Then again, a lot of the geezers sound bored too. The main guy in men's footy usually sounds a bit excited, but the colour commentators suck in general, just miserable old farts half the time.
Think being the main commentator is tough anyway, think the decent woman who does it sounds forced though, but she's decent enough.
Not really arsed aslong as they're not talking pure shite.
I'd take any female commentator over the likes of Clinton the clown Morrison anyway, well maybe not Aluko, she's doggers.
Then again, a lot of the geezers sound bored too. The main guy in men's footy usually sounds a bit excited, but the colour commentators suck in general, just miserable old farts half the time.
Think being the main commentator is tough anyway, think the decent woman who does it sounds forced though, but she's decent enough.
Not really arsed aslong as they're not talking pure shite.
I'd take any female commentator over the likes of Clinton the clown Morrison anyway, well maybe not Aluko, she's doggers.
When the first woman spoke the world got worse
You can't refute that
Look at what's happened since women started speaking
You can't refute that
Look at what's happened since women started speaking
- The fall of rome
- The black death
- Slavery
- Every war
- Every genocide
- James Milner
- The potato famine
Othering can't be othering if it's scientific. That's always worked well in historical terms.
Imagine pretending to care about the tone of the commentators voice 
If it's just about the voice that's still nothing to do with the sex. I agree that a voice can irk you in a way you can't control and thus you won't enjoy listening to the commentary. That's why we sort of have a blueprint for male voices that people like and won't irritate anyone (which is mostly the job of the commentator).
Commentators are boring, they're supposed to be boring in a way that you don't notice that they're there but you'd notice them if they were missing. When there's two people the commentators job is to ask questions that the lowest common denominator is thinking. If you notice them too much that's probably not a good thing (like when they try to be funny).
What people take offence with in the replies is the fact that you chose to highlight women when they are fairly new to the commentating game and aren't any worse. Not liking her voice is whatever. No one can force anyone to like anything. It's still just an individual preference and has little to do with women.
Hopefully you learned something about yourself today and recognized how certain things and phrases might come off. You can act sexist without it being your intention. Realizing that and acknowledging it is growth.
Some posts from a decade ago versus having such an opinion now. Bit different. Some people move with the times. Others don’t.
To be fair, there was that time Phil Neville tried his hand at commentary and utterly sucked the life out of everyone. Also, Jenas.Imagine pretending to care about the tone of the commentators voice
The tone does matter, but I've yet to hear a female commentator anywhere near as bad as those two.
I think a quick read through my posts from this thread demonstrates a real awareness of something that can be perceived as sexist and constantly providing context. Among the talking points, while doubting that there is a lack of female talent out there somewhere, it is reasonable to discuss voice as a potential difference maker between men and women in a role that relies on voice. It would be silly to leave it out of the conversation, especially when I make the point that there are men who would not get the job, me included, because of my voice
I'm not going to risk engaging in that conversation with a moderator, a ban has already been suggested to me for balanced posts in here. But that is a mightily convenient argument for you, posts that may be old, or may be a joke but are patently sexist, versus my contextualised and caveated post about female commentators. It is an incredible double standard.
Not at all. I’ve obviously said sexist remarks in the past and stopping that is part of growing as a person. I’m sure most have done similar. Doesn’t mean I can’t change and call out stuff like that when I see it. We should all try and be better.
They literally cannot be any worse than the shit we hear every week.
No argument from me on that point. But you chose to take the 'results' of your search to the public form with the pretty blatant insinuation that sexism is behind any thoughts of mine on womens football, and women in mens football, and if there was any grey area around that insinuation you clarified it with the follow up post. It was a cheap and unnecesary shot in my opinion as while you might disagree with any or all of my opinions on these issues, I know wholeheartedly that 'sexism' isnt behind any of them, and accusing any dissenting voice of that just makes it easier for somebody like Joey Barton to cry foul. I critique it as I would any growing and contentious issue and pretending everything should be integrated with the click of a finger doesnt help anything
Some commentary, or most of it is garbage. Matterface, Dixon, Keown etc.
Rather listen to a commentary team of Dizzy Rascal and Graham Norton.
You just seem weirdly obsessed with women’s football despite not appearing to watch it from what I can gather.
You’ve said female commentators are bad, you think the heads of football are pushing women’s football despite the fact nobody watches it, you’ve stuck up for Joey Barton on the topic and you’ve just regularly waded in on things involving women in football. It’s very rarely a comment on something good about the women’s game and nearly always some form of critique, or discussion about how it’s not the men’s game or not the same sport or whatever.
Maybe it’s not for you. You don’t have to watch it.
*male commentators suck*
*female commentators also suck*
"is this a problem with female commentators?"
"I don't know, but I dislike how female commentators suck more than males"
*female commentators also suck*
"is this a problem with female commentators?"
"I don't know, but I dislike how female commentators suck more than males"
Ok in other countries but I tend to hit the mute button on Premier League coverage with the strong English accents on women.
As long as they have a sexy voice is all that matters.
If they sounded like blokes it wouldn't be a problem.
No, Ive watched it, and as its an emerging sport the last few years have thrown up a number of 'hot topic' moments that probably generate more online discussion. This thread for example, is only a day old but its generated a lot of posts, many of which ive responded to. Thats not obsession, its just engaging with a topic as its on the table. Ive about 13500 posts here, the proportion of them that are related to womens football probably represents my interest in it, or at least in the discussions about womens involvement in the mens game. As for the cherry picking here, Im not going through these things on repeat anything ive said about them are there for you to read still, but I will say that my opinion about them being different sports is one that has been offered by actual female players. Youre projecting controversy onto it to suit whatever opinion youve formed about my feelings on womens football.
Again, I find it very very rich to be lectured here by somebody whose posting history is so chequered and blatantly sexist. It just doesnt wash with me. I asked initially to not make this a conversation as i feel with you being a moderator I am hamstrung, and it will also derail a thread about commentary. Im happy to message privately if you feel the need. Im also happy to delete the thread if its felt anything ive said is sexist or against the rules, although I dont feel it is, I yield to the moderators judgement.
There is some incredibly bad male ones too. Lets be fair. Commentators and pundits.
Shit, we had to listen to Joe Cole and Lanky piss the other week.
Shit, we had to listen to Joe Cole and Lanky piss the other week.
Sexy voice, lingerie......
countless terrible ones. mentioned in the second line of OP
Wish they would stick to their own game, ie netball.
Who’s the Cnut that shouts the players name every time said player shoots? He sounds like a complete bloody idiot.
Disingenuous posting
Ok enjoy everyone else telling you the same thing.
Well Ive been a member here 16 years and I think it has been said or insinuated a handful of times. This is the nature of discussing potentially delicate things, as I mentioned in the OP here. Judging by the supposed risk of being banned, it seems as if female tennis players nipples might have been safer ground to cover.
So to sum up you think that the commentator is pants because of the tone of her voice?
This thread is a load of sh1t. Shutters
I couldn’t possibly reply to this. My past is too chequered.
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