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Are Bruno and Rashford a problem?
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Cheers, good catch; the other spelling is more common with predictive text
Ok, cheers about the spelling. I talk about him more than write about him . Yes Maguire would be a good back up if he is happy being a backup and our starting defenders aren't injured all the time
It's so obvious to see
Bruno definitely is.
Bruno was appalling that second half. Rashford invisible when he came on but should’ve been starting for this game.
I dare say putting Mount in instead of Bruno in todays game probably would have resulted in more chances being created and more likely to have scored.
Bruno needs to be more disciplined and conservative on the ball, which Mount is capable of. It’s all or nothing with some of his attempted passes sometimes compared to the intricate link ups orchestrated by Zirkzee and Eriksen.
Bruno needs to be more disciplined and conservative on the ball, which Mount is capable of. It’s all or nothing with some of his attempted passes sometimes compared to the intricate link ups orchestrated by Zirkzee and Eriksen.
We’ll find it difficult to control things with Bruno being like he is today. The ball is treated like a bomb. Especially when the man attempting to control things is removed from the pitch.
Pinning so much, so long on two players who have rarely not been dreadful for the longest time. What could go wrong?
Bruno's optimism. Passing the ball like he's under the impression we're always 6-0 up. Casual, sloppy. Needs booting.
Bruno's optimism. Passing the ball like he's under the impression we're always 6-0 up. Casual, sloppy. Needs booting.
When you look at United, the players who have signed are the right age and profile but adjusting to a new league, and the other players are all extremely young. The main issue is that the players in their prime, who should be the ones they carry us through games like that, are not good enough. Other rival teams including Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool have clinical difference makers even if their performances this season haven’t been loads better.
United will have to accept midtable for a year or two whilst they move along the likes of Bruno and Rashford. That should be the plan.
United will have to accept midtable for a year or two whilst they move along the likes of Bruno and Rashford. That should be the plan.
Bruno is a massive problem for United I feel.
While ETH constantly builds a team around him, then United are going nowhere.
While ETH constantly builds a team around him, then United are going nowhere.
always feel they are our aubameyang and ozil - arsenal’s best players on paper but once get rid of them arsenal rose bacl to title challengers
Yes. It has been clear for a long time.
For who? He has not been better than our other 2 wide players.
As predicted by a few on here, the more we start to look better in possession and the team starts to function, the two players who stick out are Bruno and Rashford.
Rashford simply isn't suited for football where you need to be able to interplay and keep possession. As soon as he went up top the attack collapsed, as soon as he went to the left the energy on that side disappeared.
Bruno.....what to do about Bruno. You would have thought he was an academy player the way he rushed everything, his impatient and baffling decisions on the ball was painful to watch. Yet, he is one of our senior players and our captain. He isn't suited for possession football. We all know it.
I feel like Ten Hag's future here will rest on what he chooses to do with Bruno and Rashford.
Rashford simply isn't suited for football where you need to be able to interplay and keep possession. As soon as he went up top the attack collapsed, as soon as he went to the left the energy on that side disappeared.
Bruno.....what to do about Bruno. You would have thought he was an academy player the way he rushed everything, his impatient and baffling decisions on the ball was painful to watch. Yet, he is one of our senior players and our captain. He isn't suited for possession football. We all know it.
I feel like Ten Hag's future here will rest on what he chooses to do with Bruno and Rashford.
I don’t like slating our players but his is so out of form and tune with this team it’s ridiculous. Trying Mount or Zirkzee instead would be my choice.
He’s been our best player since he arrived, of course he was going to be built around.
Issue is, the wastefullness is showing up now we keep the ball better. He needs to keep it simple way way more.
Trying the outside of the foot finish was idiotic at that point as well. The team wasn't leading 5-0 for Bruno to go for those adventurous finishes.
I just want to see how we look without Bruno for a few games, curiosity's sake. We've got enough other options, ones more tidy on the ball who can come in, so lets see what can be achieved.
The problem is, if you take the chances Bruno makes out of the equation then I think we look quite predictable. He's usually the one that can find our wingers in behind the defence, or pulls off riskier passes. This is also why he's so wasteful as he tries things, but he tried things because that's his job and you can see that the team is relying on him half of the time to come up with something.
If you look at how we build up without him, it's usually through feeding the wingers and letting them run at the fullbacks. Or from crosses and set pieces. Two things I think are easily nullified by most opposition.
I get why people are frustrated about his wasteful style, when he doesn't produce it looks like he's cost us. But I don't think that would be the case if he was took out of the team, not with our alternatives.
For the majority of the last couple of years everything they've touched have turned to crap. They are Moments FC's poster boys. Generally poor but very occasionally pull something out of the bag so they're (largely) immovable.
More responsible than any other two players to why we've looked so bad, for so long. One has spent two years killing 60% of every attacking moment we've had and the other plays most games as if we're 6-0 up in a testimonial.
Both need binning. Don't care if Fernandes scores a worldie against Spurs or if Rashford got the hattrick vs Barnsley. We need both gone.
More responsible than any other two players to why we've looked so bad, for so long. One has spent two years killing 60% of every attacking moment we've had and the other plays most games as if we're 6-0 up in a testimonial.
Both need binning. Don't care if Fernandes scores a worldie against Spurs or if Rashford got the hattrick vs Barnsley. We need both gone.
If your 2 biggest stars are not performing at all, yes it is a bloody huge problem! I hope Ineos will be ruthless
Both Rashford and Bruno are moments players, their genral play is mediocre at best but both of them are capable of moments of briliance. They play a high risk, high reward type of football that makes them look really good when it works out but in games like today when nothing works for them they just look like shit.
Funny, the two big chances he produced in the last 2 league games was a cross from left wing (almost like a set piece) and a cross from right wing today. You couldn't ask for more "predictable" ways to generate a chance.
He tries riskier passes because he's the one put in the role to do it. Until someone else is given this role, or should I say "freedom to take risks", we'll never know if there's life after Bruno.
Now is the perfect moment to find out. You don't think we have alternatives now?
I didn’t think rashford played much of the game ? Didn’t see it
Bruno was heavily man-marked today to take him out of the equation. His job was then to stay far away from the ball to create space for the others to create goals, and he still got on the end of some of our best chances.
He played a 3rd of the game but yeah it's easy to miss him when he doesn't have one of his moments.
Like Nas said a long time ago this is a time we destroy and rebuild it.
Bruno is the bigger one by far, only Mount can save us from all this Bruno. Rashford is at a good age and profiles favourably for his role.
I’m a big fan of both Garnacho and Amad, but I found the timing weird after ETH had built up Rashford in the press to give him some much needed confidence and then drop him for the next match. The lineup and substitutions opinions feel almost irrelevant now as we ultimately failed to win, again.
Good analogy.
I feel the subs lessened our chances, Bruno had to go off.
Would love to see the team without either for a few games. It's often like playing with 8 outfield players with Fernandes' criminally sloppy and casual use of the ball and Rashford's lack of workrate.
I don't care if someone nearly got a hattrick against flipping Barnsley, or if every 5 months there's a goal from 30 yards with the outside of Bruno's foot
I don't care if someone nearly got a hattrick against flipping Barnsley, or if every 5 months there's a goal from 30 yards with the outside of Bruno's foot
Always have been.
Yes, I agree. It doesn’t look like he’ll sub Bruno off, maybe because he’s the captain and/ or has the ability to create something out of nowhere sometimes, but he was very poor in that second half. At one point he was just conceding possesion with poor passes for what seemed like 10 minutes or so. The game and our intensity died once the subs were made. He has made some good subs recently but these didn’t feel like the correct ones at the time and were proven not to be.
They didn't just rise to challengers overnight!
Ozil was undoubtedly one of Arsenals best players, the fact they won trophies whilst Ozil was playing and nothing since is quite a damning fact that obliterates this analogy.
Arsenal is far superior team than before, they are competing with City and in any season before Pep they would win the league.
We actually have Ozil/Coutinho problem. And I rate both of them.
On the other hand, this team with or without Bruno can only challange for top 4 so it is what it is. Contract extension was dumb though.
I just think Bruno needs to stop being captain and being looked at as just another player of the squad.
Bruno was good in the first half and linked very well with Zirkzee but in the second half he became more sloppy.
People act like he had a crappie 90 mins when actually he had a great 45 mins but Ten Hag refuses to take him off in the 2nd.
It's probably too early but if someone like De Ligt eventually becomes our captain under our next manager, I feel like us over using Bruno will be less done.
I don't blame Rashford for anything at all, because yesterday was Ten Hag's poor tactics & substitutions that made him look so bad, but still for only 20+ mins.
Bruno was good in the first half and linked very well with Zirkzee but in the second half he became more sloppy.
People act like he had a crappie 90 mins when actually he had a great 45 mins but Ten Hag refuses to take him off in the 2nd.
It's probably too early but if someone like De Ligt eventually becomes our captain under our next manager, I feel like us over using Bruno will be less done.
I don't blame Rashford for anything at all, because yesterday was Ten Hag's poor tactics & substitutions that made him look so bad, but still for only 20+ mins.
They're both on mega contracts now. It's going to be very hard to move them on if their form continues.
Bruno can improve and we have seen what a important player her can be for us, but a spell on the bench is warranted.
The less said about rashford. A player that looks like he is going downhill at 27 years of age.
Bruno can improve and we have seen what a important player her can be for us, but a spell on the bench is warranted.
The less said about rashford. A player that looks like he is going downhill at 27 years of age.
There are three people at the club who, if correctly replaced, would improve us significantly. Ten Hag, Rashford, and Bruno. That's where you need someone ruthless like Florentino Perez running things, otherwise you tolerate and make excuses for them and end up becoming mediocre like United
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