Rashford was terrible all game while Bruno was terrible in that 20 minute period where we collapsed. I think it's fair to say Bruno and Rashford are at a different level of problem right now though. Rashford is terrible in a way that seems irredeemable. He's just too far gone i think. We need hungry young pros. People who love the game and are committed to it. That's the one good thing about Antony, even though he's terrible, he at least plays like he gives a shit. And Bruno too, I think he has some terrible parts to his game but he gives a shit. A dressing room has to be a band of brothers, united in one goal. When you have 'star' players who are checked out it sets a terrible precedent. Already we're seeing some bad habits in Garnacho partly because he grew up in the shit era.
Are Bruno and Rashford a problem?
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Rashford was terrible all game while Bruno was terrible in that 20 minute period where we collapsed. I think it's fair to say Bruno and Rashford are at a different level of problem right now though. Rashford is terrible in a way that seems irredeemable. He's just too far gone i think. We need hungry young pros. People who love the game and are committed to it. That's the one good thing about Antony, even though he's terrible, he at least plays like he gives a shit. And Bruno too, I think he has some terrible parts to his game but he gives a shit. A dressing room has to be a band of brothers, united in one goal. When you have 'star' players who are checked out it sets a terrible precedent. Already we're seeing some bad habits in Garnacho partly because he grew up in the shit era.
No chance. Bruno has one good game every 5 or 6. There are plenty of players out there that would be in improvement.
Probably true based on this season, but over the course of his time here, he has been our best player.
Who has performed better than him over the last 5 years?
Bruno defines the current state of the club: A yo-yo club (/player) which (/who) can sporadically produce moments of magic but is simply not good enough or at an acceptable level.
We badly need to upgrade him. We'll continue to be mediocre until he remains the focal point of our team.
We badly need to upgrade him. We'll continue to be mediocre until he remains the focal point of our team.
Bruno needs an equal / superior as competition and gradual replacment
Rashford needs to go
Rashford needs to go
We were 3-0 up with 20 minutes to go. Rashford did ok at times, Fernandes scored and got an assist. There was very little wrong with our attacking output yesterday for 70 minutes.
Ultimately, if the back 4 had a brain cell between them, we'd have won that game 3-1 and this thread would have been ignored until Wednesday.
Probably nobody. But when we talk about the future, the question is: Is he past it, or can something be done to get him back to his initial level? If yes, do it, if no, he should be replaced as long as you can get a reasonable transfer fee
The future does worry me a little. Bruno has played an absurd amount of football over the last 7/8 seasons. He's missed only a handful of games and runs like a mad man every match. It wouldn't surprise me if his level fell off a cliff quite abruptly within the next couple seasons. He has so many miles on the clock.
I don't think he's past it now, though. He's probably not going to score every other game again, but I think his overall level can rise again.
If he were sold, I would be sad about it, but I would understand that we're trying to rebuild the team. I still don't believe we'd get an upgrade on him.
Bruno is the least of our problems. He tries 150% every game.
It's so harsh on Bruno to put him in the same bracket as Rashford.
Bruno the issue is mostly stylistic, he's a good player who isn't truly elite but he has does the minimum every game of working his arse off. It's incredibly frustrating to watch him but our issue with him is basically he only really suits one style of play.
Rashford is just cack.
Bruno the issue is mostly stylistic, he's a good player who isn't truly elite but he has does the minimum every game of working his arse off. It's incredibly frustrating to watch him but our issue with him is basically he only really suits one style of play.
Rashford is just cack.
You're absolutely right. I think it'd be a case of don't know what you've got 'til it's gone with Bruno. Yes, I'm sure we could easily find a player that will play it safe and keep the ball better, but we won't as easily find a player with his level of vision and creativity.
Without him I'm fairly sure we'd be almost completely blunt, Mount or Amad aren't going to come in and provide half of what he does.
A player of his creativity that's a genuine upgrade in other areas as well is going to cost a fortune and will probably be wanted by other top teams as well.
He's the last player I want to see being sold when there are so many other positions need replacing, or better back ups brought in.
I've tried to defend Rashford a little in this thread before due to previous good seasons and big goals showing a higher level in him, but yesterday was diabolical.
This constant trying to dribble into the box and just running into players until he loses the ball is torture. It's like our version of Jack Grealish in that he constantly repeats one thing over and over in a game. At least Grealish gets free kicks out of it, Rashford just turns over possession cheaply.
Just put a youth player out there he will try 200% if thats the benchmark
That's the benchmark right now really. Whoever gives 100%, I'm all out supporting them.
Bruno is our best player. Is he perfect? No.
But we have so many other positions to sort, including the people directly around him, he would be the last player to focus on when upgrading the squad.
Marcus is broken. He is not 'shite', he is very clearly having issues. Rio kind of hinted at the people around him on the overlap, but whatever the issue is, it needs sorting. If that means moving, then that is what should happen.
But we have so many other positions to sort, including the people directly around him, he would be the last player to focus on when upgrading the squad.
Marcus is broken. He is not 'shite', he is very clearly having issues. Rio kind of hinted at the people around him on the overlap, but whatever the issue is, it needs sorting. If that means moving, then that is what should happen.
I think its time for Rashford to go. Sometimes players just reach the end of a cycle with a club an I think a move to somewhere like a PSG would revitalise him.
the issue for Bruno as that he is surrounded by a mixture of dross and youngsters, with better players around he would flourish. I think he is a bit too emotional/heart on sleeve type to be a long term captain though.
the issue for Bruno as that he is surrounded by a mixture of dross and youngsters, with better players around he would flourish. I think he is a bit too emotional/heart on sleeve type to be a long term captain though.
Rashford is the biggest problem whereas Bruno clearly gives it his all but needs to be coached so he looks after the ball better when that's needed
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Bruno's stats are almost identical to Odegaards, and together they're both the two most creative players in the league.
He's sometimes frustrating and he does cede possession to an annoying extent, but he makes things happen.
When you look at our team in terms of quality, and see the distinct lack of it, why would you remove Bruno? He's one of the few players we've got who can produce a bit of magic. Who else are we going to buy who will be as good as or better than him? When you look at the dross we've signed under Ten Hag especially, we'd be well advised to show faith in players who have been slightly frustrating. You could be replacing a Bruno with a Van de Beek.
Rashford's another case entirely because his form has been woeful this season; however, I would still stick with him, mainly for the reasons given above. We just cannot trust ourselves to sign improvements because a) players don't want to move to us and b) our recent record with new signings inspires no confidence.
But the main thing is the fact that selling Bruno is nonsensical.
He's sometimes frustrating and he does cede possession to an annoying extent, but he makes things happen.
When you look at our team in terms of quality, and see the distinct lack of it, why would you remove Bruno? He's one of the few players we've got who can produce a bit of magic. Who else are we going to buy who will be as good as or better than him? When you look at the dross we've signed under Ten Hag especially, we'd be well advised to show faith in players who have been slightly frustrating. You could be replacing a Bruno with a Van de Beek.
Rashford's another case entirely because his form has been woeful this season; however, I would still stick with him, mainly for the reasons given above. We just cannot trust ourselves to sign improvements because a) players don't want to move to us and b) our recent record with new signings inspires no confidence.
But the main thing is the fact that selling Bruno is nonsensical.
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Huge problem.
Again....Putting Fernandes in the same category as Rashford is an insult
Again, Bruno doesn't bring balance to the team and we need to sell him to bring balance 
Bruno, the best signing we have made since fergie by a country mile.
In effort, attitude and output they are in completely different leagues. No comparison.
Get his name out of this title FFS. Limping him in with rashford typifies the state of this forum at its worst. Embarrassing
Not that big of a compliment, isn't it
Nice assist, nice goal. Output is back, at least that is something. Still don't like him at all playing that deep. Him and Eriksen were mere cones in two or three scenes earlier. Also started to lose his head I felt. But good to see a good result coming our way. I think though that we played so much better in 1st half.
Idiots thinking Bruno is a problem. When he retires they will all look back on hin with rose tinted glasses.
Bruno always thrives under pressure. When the team is not performing, he is always the one that brings hope.
Not that big of a compliment, isn't it
Nice assist, nice goal. Output is back, at least that is something. Still don't like him at all playing that deep. Him and Eriksen were mere cones in two or three scenes earlier. Also started to lose his head I felt. But good to see a good result coming our way. I think though that we played so much better in 1st half.
Well they have spent over a billion I believe, so it kind of is! He’s the one shining light actually.
You can't really argue against that. I do think the argument of this thread makes some good points in terms of the style of play that fits these players (that Bruno in particular thrives on chaos) but look at his numbers and it's ridiculous: +10 goals and +10 assists every season, and 45+ appearances every season, even in bad years. Can't argue with that in terms of stats.
Weird that he played incredible then in the 25 minute period after the pen, when we exerted full control over the game. Less good in the chaos before the pen mind.
I think it’s clearly the EXACT opposite, when it’s chaos he’s much more likely to force things and make stupid decisions. He’s miles better for United and Portugal when they are in control of games.
Not that big of a compliment, isn't it
Nice assist, nice goal. Output is back, at least that is something. Still don't like him at all playing that deep. Him and Eriksen were mere cones in two or three scenes earlier. Also started to lose his head I felt. But good to see a good result coming our way. I think though that we played so much better in 1st half.
Captain literally went and won us the game, “losing his head” ??
Bruno: *shows a bit of emotion*
Caf: He's losing his head again !!!1
Caf: He's losing his head again !!!1
If Bruno is a problem, I have no idea what the solution might be... because Messi is too old now...
He is our best player. He deserved to play in a team that could have won the league. It's a shame.
Is Rashford a problem? Yes unfortunately
Bruno is having easily his worst season here. 15 goals and more heart than 10 Rashfords.
Bruno is having easily his worst season here. 15 goals and more heart than 10 Rashfords.
listen people rave about de bruyne but Bruno’s numbers and output are actually better. Of course it’s not all numbers but they don’t lie and do paint a picture. He can be wasteful but as we saw tonight he is also capable of the sublime. He also plays a ridiculous amount of games and minutes, he is a fecking machine, mentality monster and knows what it means to play for this club.
Bruno just gets it.
I can’t imagine what he thought of Keane or Cantona
I don't know I didn't see tonight's game but I'm not surprised reading that he has two goals and an assist. I will say that when he came and collected the ball against Coventry in the first half and was dictating things with McTominay pushing up we looked pretty good and I'm always puzzled as to why he can't do this more often (tactical instructions?) because he CAN play it sensible and dictate things at times. Other times though it's always the risky pass and the buzzing about all over the place which looks a bit directionless.
He didn't "won us the game" through the whole game didn't he? He was throwing arms late in 1st half, I didn't like it. I am glad he kept it together in 2nd half, as you said, it looked like he was about to enter that weird state where he tries to force things. Many stupid shots. But it'll continue because he one came out successfull.
But lets not get into it. Bruno fans deserve their time in the sun. Don't overdo it though, it will only intensify the critics after the next not so great game.
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