OGS took over a dreadful squad made by signings from Mourinho,Van Gaal and Moyes. He bought well this summer and has cleared out 7 players that had no future here execpt Herrera but he wanted a huge salary deal. We are still in need of getting rid of 7 to 8 players in Matic,Mata,Young,Rojo,Jones,Fred,Lingard,Bailly hardly likely to be a big part of United future teams. The sheer size of the rebuild is huge and there is no way getting around that. Have a look at the squad picture on Man Utd website and then find another club with as many homegrown youngsters as part of their squad. Regarding our attack being a mess then I suppose getting rid of Lukaku and Sanchez on freeing up funds to bring in a top striker in the coming windows must help us because neither of those players were going to work for us. Greenwood in my estimate is a tremendous talent, Martial had 2 goals and 1 assist in his first 3 games before getting injured, Rashford has the same(2goals+1 assist) and James has 3 goals as a winger in 4 games. Hardly a mess, is it? Room for improvement, yes I agree with you there as we are needing a striker and right winger. If Sancho is his target and can be bought at a later stage I would understand waiting for him. There are not many wingers with his stats. He had 12 goals and 14 assists last season and has 2 goals and 3 assists in 3 games this season. Him and a double your wages contract offer to Kane next summer? Plus 2 midfielders and things would start to look a whole lot different.
What a twat. Luckily fans are realising he's too emotional and probably too much of a dick to be followed unconditionally. Can't even get simple points across without using extreme terms or phrases. Someone misses a penalty and it's borderline treacheryNeville didn't help matters saying they'll be mutiny if Ole isn't appointed. Honestly some of our ex players are doing more harm than good.
What a twat. Luckily fans are realising he's too emotional and probably too much of a dick to be followed unconditionally. Can't even get simple points across without using extreme terms or phrases
We have the second highest net spend in the PL and that shows money for signings has not been the problem but it´s how we have invested that in players that has put us in this position that OGS is starting fix. None of the 7 he has let go where good enough and there are at least other 7 players from the squad that need to go in the next windows.
While I agree with you but I also feel that their parsimonious character has finally caught up with us. They are spending more in the past couple of years because they refused to do that after the sale of Ronaldo and the ensuing years. We are playing catch up and that is why we are in the pit we are now. If we had bought properly during the time City bought Aguero, Silva and Yaya Toure, we would have won more trophies and would have also positioned ourselves to be more attractive to elite talents.
At this rate the mess will never be sorted out. Our transfer strategy really is all oved the place. We refuse to sign foreigners and somehow think the likes of James will be part of a title challenging side. Its almost like we as a club are living i our own world.
Neville didn't help matters saying they'll be mutiny if Ole isn't appointed. Honestly some of our ex players are doing more harm than good.
Biggest difference is that, we never had the crazy winning run at the start of Moyes tenure.We seem to be falling into the Moyes trap again. Moyes was clearly a disaster within a few months of his tenure but we persisted and persisted with him until it was mathematically impossible to get top 4 - probably because of Fergie's 'stick by your manager' speech. Well, you have to show yourself worthy of being stuck with in the first place. If everything you touch turns to shit, I'm sorry, you don't deserve the club to stick by you.
This is now happening again, with Ole. But instead of Fergie's speech, our dilemma this time is the fact that he's a United legend. Surely, he should be allowed some leeway and we should give him time? Well, like Moyes, not necessarily - we have won 3 of our last 16 games. That is not the form of a manager that deserves time. If Ole continues to under-perform in his position, he'll be gone like Moyes. Ole needs to raise his game and find something within this squad to start turning results around.
Sometimes you have to call a spade, a spade. Sometimes you have to look at what's right in front of your face and call it what it is. This is a poor squad being managed by a fairly poor manager who is clearly indecisive during the 90mins, returning pretty poor results.
This is what people expect but I feel like the CM would come in and be frustrated with the lack of movement and square passing. One player can't form a passing triangle by himself. That bit is coachingThings would have been a lot better if Ole had been able to sign a quality midfielder. That's one area where quality has been reduced by departure. The rest of the team is capable of pushing top 4 or even 3 if things fall in place.
This is what people expect but I feel like the CM would come in and be frustrated with the lack of movement and square passing. One player can't form a passing triangle by himself. That bit is coaching
And what do you think it would take to get the right players in? 100? 200? 300 million more? Or would you be happy just to sign anyone? And fact of the matter is, you have no idea what clubs or players the club have been talking to. The three players they did buy have been fantastic. Imagine keeping that track record for future signings.
We are way worse than Arsenal of Wenger. They atleast got 4th most times. Here we would be happy with 6th. Were Liverpool ever not competing for 4th during their barren run?Oh, I remember that period. The "youth policy' move effectively demoted Arsenal from title-contenders to also-rans. After a while, Wenger managed to convince Arsenal fans that finishing 4th is as good as winning the PL title. It was the darkest era of their history in modern times. They went 9 seasons without lifting a trophy and that happened with a man that possessed a wealth of experience.
Their squad downgraded from a talented/experienced side to a team of kids(Walcott, Gnabry, Jenkinson, Oxdale-Chamberlain, Ramsey, Szczesny and Wilshere) that never got near winning the league title. Our fans aren't aware that what befell Arsenal is coming for us. Whenever any board of a football club suddenly turns towards the youth for rebuilding, it's because they aren't interested in investing or they aren't interested in winning the big trophies.
I agree. What is this trend that we're starting to see of giving Neville way too much influence on things ? He's just paid to talk and that's it.I think we all have to get past this kind of excuse. The fans and former players aren't twisting Woodward's arm one bit. They don't make decisions on the back of what Neville says on Sky.
There are former Liverpool players who have been equally as critical of Liverpool until Klopp came in for balance too.
The truth is......we have owners who take money away. A CEO who hasn't got a clue and a novice manager. Nothing to do with Scholes, Neville and Rio. It's just bad planning and poor management.
I think he'd have been perfect for the DoF role.
We seem to be falling into the Moyes trap again. Moyes was clearly a disaster within a few months of his tenure but we persisted and persisted with him until it was mathematically impossible to get top 4 - probably because of Fergie's 'stick by your manager' speech. Well, you have to show yourself worthy of being stuck with in the first place. If everything you touch turns to shit, I'm sorry, you don't deserve the club to stick by you.
This is now happening again, with Ole. But instead of Fergie's speech, our dilemma this time is the fact that he's a United legend. Surely, he should be allowed some leeway and we should give him time? Well, like Moyes, not necessarily - we have won 3 of our last 16 games. That is not the form of a manager that deserves time. If Ole continues to under-perform in his position, he'll be gone like Moyes. Ole needs to raise his game and find something within this squad to start turning results around.
Sometimes you have to call a spade, a spade. Sometimes you have to look at what's right in front of your face and call it what it is. This is a poor squad being managed by a fairly poor manager who is clearly indecisive during the 90mins, returning pretty poor results.
That’s not the only dilemma. Many fans are also stuck in this weird mindset that it’s not nothing to do with the manager at United anymore, when the club haven’t actually signed a world class manager since SAF retired. What makes it worse is they’ll happily see us finish 8th for three seasons running while we rebuild, because you can’t remain somewhat competitive while rebuilding as one of the biggest clubs in the world. It’s such a load of tripe.
Agreed. I like what he has done to get rid of deadwood and I like the players he has brought in but he should be able to set up the team to get 6 points from Crystal Palace and Southampton regardless of the investment (or lack thereof). They were hardly the form teams coming into the fixtures.People are confusing two issues.
1. Squad rebuild
2. Match day performances
Now, obviously the two are linked. But lack of signings and poor squad are no excuse for the poor performances since ole was made permanent. That's fine for games against the top 6 or for tough prem away games and i could even excuse ole for us finishing 6th by the end of the year. But i can't excuse him for the constant stream of poor performances and results since the psg game last year. Its a pretty big sample size
Oh come on. Are we already starting to talk up Lukaku? He is prone to missing absolute sitters himself. Did so for Inter last game and has done so for us many times.It's no good getting rid of deadwood if you are not replacing them. All you are doing then is making the squad thinner and vulnerable.
I would 100 % take Lukaku back, proven goalscorer. Some of those sitters Rashford is missing Lukaku would put in the back of the net.
It's no good getting rid of deadwood if you are not replacing them. All you are doing then is making the squad thinner and vulnerable.
I would 100 % take Lukaku back, proven goalscorer. Some of those sitters Rashford is missing Lukaku would put in the back of the net.
We've took 2 points from Southampton, Palace and Wolves. Look like relegation form to me. And yet I still believe Ole can be a success. He is working with the worst squad of players I've ever saw at this club. The chief exec. and owners appear to be completely inept at the footballing side of things. Ole is a cog in a machine that has been failing badly for a long long time.
God knows how Fergie got some of the results he did. But the squad was not being properly maintained even back then.
I don't think Ole is a mistake, I just think the job is that big. Getting rid of the deadwood is a good move. Maguire and Wan Bissaka look excellent signings and James looks promising.
But we need so much more. It can't all be done in one window though. We need a LB, 2CMs and a RW at least.
People wanted more signings in the summer and we sure needed them, but I don't think we were able to get all of our first choices. So we have gone with what we have. I agree with that. We could have gone and signed whatever CM and RW that would have come here and filled out the squad but that's partly why we're in the mess we are in now. Better to wait and get who we really want instead of making signings that will just end up as more deadwood.
I'm supporting Ole, God knows he needs support as the job he has as this club is a nightmare. A losing battle almost - between the Glazers, Woodward and the state of the squad it's that bad.
Every move he has made to adjust the squad has been a good move. The players out and the players in.
But at the same time I won't be surprised if we do end up a mid table club for years to come, but it wont be Oles fault.
People are confusing two issues.
1. Squad rebuild
2. Match day performances
Now, obviously the two are linked. But lack of signings and poor squad are no excuse for the poor performances since ole was made permanent. That's fine for games against the top 6 or for tough prem away games and i could even excuse ole for us finishing 6th by the end of the year. But i can't excuse him for the constant stream of poor performances and results since the psg game last year. Its a pretty big sample size
We've took 2 points from Southampton, Palace and Wolves. Look like relegation form to me. And yet I still believe Ole can be a success. He is working with the worst squad of players I've ever saw at this club. The chief exec. and owners appear to be completely inept at the footballing side of things. Ole is a cog in a machine that has been failing badly for a long long time.
God knows how Fergie got some of the results he did. But the squad was not being properly maintained even back then.
I don't think Ole is a mistake, I just think the job is that big. Getting rid of the deadwood is a good move. Maguire and Wan Bissaka look excellent signings and James looks promising.
But we need so much more. It can't all be done in one window though. We need a LB, 2CMs and a RW at least.
People wanted more signings in the summer and we sure needed them, but I don't think we were able to get all of our first choices. So we have gone with what we have. I agree with that. We could have gone and signed whatever CM and RW that would have come here and filled out the squad but that's partly why we're in the mess we are in now. Better to wait and get who we really want instead of making signings that will just end up as more deadwood.
I'm supporting Ole, God knows he needs support as the job he has as this club is a nightmare. A losing battle almost - between the Glazers, Woodward and the state of the squad it's that bad.
Every move he has made to adjust the squad has been a good move. The players out and the players in.
But at the same time I won't be surprised if we do end up a mid table club for years to come, but it wont be Oles fault.
I find this interesting, because Jose finished 2nd with what you're calling the worst squad you've ever seen. How much time and patience does Ole get for winning 3 in the last 18, just because he scored a goal 20 years ago?
Jose was also steering us on course to not even get to Europa League with the same squad, which is why he was fired.
How much time and patience does a manager get with his own squad? We're 4 games into his first season and the fans are baying for blood, despite our play indicating we might as well have won the games we drew or lost.
Manchester United fans have absolutely no patience for a rebuild of the squad to mold the team into a new Manchester United. It's a great, great shame. FOUR games into his first season. The mind boggles.
Stratford End? Never heard of that!Jose was also steering us on course to not even get to Europa League with the same squad, which is why he was fired.
How much time and patience does a manager get with his own squad? We're 4 games into his first season and the fans are baying for blood, despite our play indicating we might as well have won the games we drew or lost.
Manchester United fans have absolutely no patience for a rebuild of the squad to mold the team into a new Manchester United. It's a great, great shame. FOUR games into his first season. The mind boggles.
He signed 3 players this window. All of them have been absolutely fantastic. Of course 0 credit given for that, while he at the same time has to handle a roster that is: Not his, full of people who are past their prime (Mata, Matic, Jones, etc), a squad that couldnt do what he wanted them to do at the tail end of last season. And you know what, this same team dismantled Chelsea 4-0 at Old Trafford. So Technically we are 3 games into a unlucky results streak and that is the time it takes for the fans on Stratford End to lose their sh*t.
I absolutely hate how everything gets re-evaluated with every result sometimes. its exhausting.
Agree, as long as Ole is backed and Woodward don't make promises he don't keep. In fact I would rather he stays away from the football side of things.Everyone says we need a rebuild but then has zero patience for it. Building a good team takes time yet fans expect us to buy 8 world class players in the summer then immediately go and win the league. It just doesn’t work like that. I’ve seen enough this season already to see that this team has a ton of potential, and as the young players improve further and if we add just a couple more players, have a very high ceiling. It’s a shame the fans have no patience to see it happen and want Ole sacked so another guy can come in and burn it all down to start again.
The irony is that OGS has done almost almost exactly what most fans have asked for.....
1) we got a new RB for Young
2) we got a new CD for Smalling
3) we off-loaded Alexis
4) we sold Fellaini
5) we didnt renew Valencias contract
6) we sold Darmian
7) we sent Smalling out on loan
8) we signed an exciting new winger who has maybe been our best player
9) he has benched Matic
10) he hasnt even included Jones on the bench
11) in the last game - he dropped Lingard.
Yes we have picked up too few Points and Our Squad is lacking a couple of players - but give him 2 more transfer Windows and I think we will have a pretty exciting squad and team. Or sack him - and you might risk getting a new manager who isn't doing exactly what all the fans want.
