Appointing Solskjaer was a mistake

[red4ever 79]

Lasted nine months at Cardiff before getting the bullet
P30 W9 D5 L16

At Utd
P32 W17 D5 L10

In our last 16 competitive games W3 D4 L9

Sentiment aside, that is simply shocking

 

[Castia]

Mourinho was 1000% not one of the top 3 managers in the world when WE HIRED him.

That's the point.

Of course he was, he’d literally just won the title the season before with Chelsea whilst Pep wasn’t exactly a favourite in Germany with Bayern.

Klopp was just after his horrendous season with Dortmund too.

Jose was easily one of the top coaches when we hired him, his record at that point could compare with anybody.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

True.

But it doesn't change the fact that we've hired 3(likely 4) poor managers.

We've hired one top manager without knowing what were really getting (LvG), one top manager who again I don't think Ed realised what he was getting, but if he had followed it through and backed him last summer the whole thing might have worked out differently imo, one utter disaster (Moyes), and one manager who should have just been kept to what he was brought in for as, the interim manager, but having made the decision to keep him to then not fully back him in the summer is just scandalous, and I really hope the fans don't forget that, Ole never really had the credentials for the job, and now arguably has a worse squad than Jose spat his dummy out with last season, so non of this can be his fault.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Maybe a few were like idiots.

But you're right it's not the same thing.

Moyes actually 'proved' himself somewhat in the Prem.

Ole hasn't. The one time he managed in the Prem - He had awful transfers with Cardiff and got them relegated.

Maybe a few were like idiots.

But you're right it's not the same thing.

Moyes actually 'proved' himself somewhat in the Prem.

Ole hasn't. The one time he managed in the Prem - He had awful transfers with Cardiff and got them relegated.

I’m not saying he is the solution but after the previous three knobs at least he is likeable while I suffer the disappointment of overpaid pricks playing abysmal football ruining my bank holiday weekend

 

[jesperjaap]

If you are not willing to back Ole over a long period, you're better off going to sleep for the next couple of years.

or at least shut the f*ck up moaning.

This is a long-term appointment. It will take time.

All the moaners would have sacked Busby in 1950 and Sir Alex in 1990 - no doubt about it. They also would have sacked Jurgen Klopp from Anfield after his first season.

We tried quick fixes.. It DOES NOT WORK!!! We go again, building slowly. This is a great baseline squad which will be added to over the next two summers to turn into a great team.

Chill the f*ck out.

Some of you make being a Man Utd fan really insufferable.

a) It is a different world to then of course and you are probably right
b) Many fans were calling for Fergies head
c) Klopp did ok in his first season so I dont agree with that at all

The main point though is you are comparing a manager with virtually no experience outside of Norway apart from getting Cardiff relegated with Klopps wonderful CV and of course Ferguson who won Eueropean cups and league titles with Aberdeen!

Why do you think Ole in time will definately make it work, there is no evidence for that to happen and also it really isnt a great baseline squad, it is a big squad packed with mainly over rated and/or very average players forgetting the youngsters who its too early to judge.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Of course he was, he’d literally just won the title the season before with Chelsea whilst Pep wasn’t exactly a favourite in Germany with Bayern.

Klopp was just after his horrendous season with Dortmund too.

Jose was easily one of the top coaches when we hired him, his record at that point could compare with anybody.

No he literally almost got Chelsea relegated the season before we hired him.

Pep's Bayern meanwhile strolled to 3 league titles and 3 straight CL semi-final appearances where they were unlucky with injuries vs Barcelona in 2015 and then generally unlucky vs Aleti at the Allianz in 2016.

Pep, Simeone, Conte, Klopp, Allegri were easily better than him. There's a few more you can argue as well.

There's simply no chance he was a top 3 manager.

Even in his league title season, his Chelsea side got dominated by 10 man PSG at the Bridge. The signs were already there that the game was passing him by and he had peaked.

 

[Castia]

So? Mourinho also won 2 cups and led us to the highest league finish.

Our worst appointments are Moyes and Ole so far, you want to continue in that trend then?

Different circumstances.

Jose also had about 300m net spend. Let’s see how Ole’s squad compares if he had another £250m the strengthen the side.

 

[Sarni]

I still think he is the right choice. Although performances are appaling the idea behind how we try to play is fine.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I’m not saying he is the solution but after the previous three knobs at least he is likeable while I suffer the disappointment of overpaid pricks playing abysmal football ruining my bank holiday weekend

We've largely played abysmal football under Ole too.

 

[Enigma_87]

Different circumstances.

Jose also had about 300m net spend. Let’s see how Ole’s squad compares if he had another £250m the strengthen the side.

So we should give every manager 300m net spend and see which will stick?

Jose was a world class manager Ole is counting on Brexit strategy.

Milan have appointed “internal” and last players for years now. So you want us to follow the same strategy? Where did that leave them now?

 

[jesperjaap]

Penalties are a bit different to what you're saying though.

You can expect to score 90% of the time and not be being unreasonable to assume that.

Yes that is fair enough. Point I was making was more we didnt dominate any of the games to the extent we were creating a lot of chances, we could very easily as much be on 0 points now as we could on 9

 

[red4ever 79]

I still think he is the right choice. Although performances are appaling the idea behind how we try to play is fine.

You mean counter attacking at home against Crystal Fecking Palace is the right way to plan.

Shocking

 

[fergiesarmy1]

We've largely played abysmal football under Ole too.

Today was terrible but it’s still the players, weirdos on here talk about pogba being the next ballon dor winner. He is not fit to lace the boots of some of our legends.

 

[Castia]

No he literally almost got Chelsea relegated the season before we hired him.

Pep's Bayern meanwhile strolled to 3 league titles and 3 straight CL semi-final appearances where they were unlucky with injuries vs Barcelona in 2015 and then generally unlucky vs Aleti at the Allianz in 2016.

Pep, Simeone, Conte, Klopp, Allegri were easily better than him. There's a few more you can argue as well.

There's simply no chance he was a top 3 manager.

Even in his league title season, his Chelsea side got dominated by 10 man PSG at the Bridge. The signs were already there that game was passing him by and he had peaked.

Bollocks

He had a rough few months at Chelsea where the players even admitted to downing tools and arriving with the wrong attitude, he left with most of the season remaining, he didn’t almost get them relegated don’t exaggerate.

Those managers you mentioned probably bar Pep we’re in no way better than Jose at that time. Are they right now? Yeah sure.

3-4 years ago no chance. Besides we weren’t getting Simeone or Allegri back then so it’s a mute point.

 

[jesperjaap]

Of course he was, he’d literally just won the title the season before with Chelsea whilst Pep wasn’t exactly a favourite in Germany with Bayern.

Klopp was just after his horrendous season with Dortmund too.

Jose was easily one of the top coaches when we hired him, his record at that point could compare with anybody.

Dont agree, was never the same manager since he went to Madrid for me, was on the way down with a hell of a lot to prove when we hired him. Thought he was the wrong choice but maybe the only choice at the time though I did think if he could take over the side and manage like a Man Utd manager in style of football, attitude and be successful he would have proved himself a genius....sadly he did as I feared and tried to turn us into CHelsea and rather than the confident arrogant but great manager he was, we got the prickly sulky one of the last few years beforehand

 

[Castia]

So we should give every manager 300m net spend and see which will stick?

Jose was a world class manager Ole is counting on Brexit strategy.

Milan have appointed “internal” and last players for years now. So you want us to follow the same strategy? Where did that leave them now?

I’m not saying internal.

I was making a point that world class managers with a big budget don’t necessarily equal success which we have proven.

 

[arthurka]

You are right about clearing players out, until the cup start we do not know if he is giving the kids a chance. Axel has not been brought on. Greenwood has had scant playing time. Chong is in the U-23's again along with Garner and Gomes is the perpetual 19th man. I am looking forward to the kids playing. However his bench still has some of the usual faces. Lingard is still there stinking up the team. He still has to shift a lot of players and it could be tough going watching United until he does.

Its a rebuild, it will take time but feck me we arent giving this project a chance. But seeing Lingard running around isnt helping.

 

[Enigma_87]

I’m not saying internal.

I was making a point that world class managers with a big budget don’t necessarily equal success which we have proven.

Like Pep and Koop? Those who are the best currently in the league?

World class managers on big budget is much more viable of being a successful plan than the other way around.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Bollocks

He had a rough few months at Chelsea where the players even admitted to downing tools and arriving with the wrong attitude, he left with most of the season remaining, he didn’t almost get them relegated don’t exaggerate.

Those managers you mentioned probably bar Pep we’re in no way better than Jose at that time. Are they right now? Yeah sure.

3-4 years ago no chance. Besides we weren’t getting Simeone or Allegri back then so it’s a mute point.

Rough few months. They were sitting like 16th or something. This just a few years after his horror season at Real.

Re: the bold, I didn't say we were going to or could get them. You said he was a top 3 manager when we hired him. I'm saying he clearly wasn't. I doubt many thought he was back then.

Only one I'll let you contest is Klopp, because there were question marks after his final poor season at Dortmund.

But there's no way I'm having it that Jose was one of the top 3 managers in the world when we hired him.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Like Pep and Koop? Those who are the best currently in the league?

World class managers on big budget is much more viable of being a successful plan than the other way around.

He thinks Jose was a world class manager when we hired him.

Clearly wasn't for me. He was a has been when we hired him.

 

[Renegade]

I'm on board with what you're saying. Solskjaer's football so far have been a refreshing change of pace. Fitness is up 50% from the previous off-season, will be even better next year, every new signing this summer have done well, and reports are that Solskjaer is trying to improve the culture behind the scenes as well, even down to the pasta bar.

I really really want Solskjaer to stay on for the foreseeable future. I think we'll keep steadily improving over the next few transfer windows, and I think he's exactly what the club needs. I just wish we'd gotten 1-2 more players in this summer, so there were more options off the bench, so we could have a greater impact with substitutions.

How you work that out? It’s August. See how these players fitness is in a few months with our thin bare squad. Shaw has already broken down.

 

[Enigma_87]

He thinks Jose was a world class manager when we hired him.

Clearly wasn't for me. He was a has been when we hired him.

We were about 3 years late appointing Jose. We were also late appointing LvG. Obviously both were better appointments than the likes of Moyes and Ole and so far it shows.

 

[Castia]

Like Pep and Koop? Those who are the best currently in the league?

World class managers on big budget is much more viable of being a successful plan than the other way around.

The same Klopp who had just recovered from a awful last season with Dortmund when we hired Jose?

Your argument was Jose wasn’t one of the best at the time. He was.

Top 3? Top 5? well ok that’s subjective but he was a top manager who had always won trophies (and continued to do so at United by the way)

 

[Enigma_87]

The same Klopp who had just recovered from a awful last season with Dortmund when we hired Jose?

Your argument was Jose wasn’t one of the best at the time. He was.

Top 3? Top 5? well ok that’s subjective but he was a top manager who had always won trophies (and continued to do so at United by the way)

Yes - same Klopp. Klopp, despite the bad season was one of the most sought after managers at the time. Isn’t that correct?

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

We were about 3 years late appointing Jose. We were also late appointing LvG. Obviously both were better appointments than the likes of Moyes and Ole and so far it shows.

Probably even more for Jose.

I think by 2013 he was already damaged goods.

 

[Uniquim]

How you work that out? It’s August. See how these players fitness is in a few months with our thin bare squad. Shaw hasn’t already broken down.

Fitness in pre-season is up 50% from the previous pre-season, or 'from the previous off-season' as I wrote above. It's from an article by the Athletic. Here's the full quote:

The sessions this summer have been designed to equip players’ bodies with the capacity to cover large distances for sustained periods, and at top speed when needed. The sports science team, led by Rich Hawkins, reported that element of training was up 50 per cent compared with last year’s pre-season.

 

[vanderpants]

Lasted nine months at Cardiff before getting the bullet
P30 W9 D5 L16

At Utd
P32 W17 D5 L10

In our last 16 competitive games W3 D4 L9

Sentiment aside, that is simply shocking

Horrible record and not many top clubs would accept that , but there are that many snow flakes out there who just want Ole due to shear sentimental reason. Personally think he isn't good enough to manage Utd but then again he isn't helped out by Woodward or the glazers, he just reminds me of a puppet. I never wanted Ole as the full-time manager as I wanted him to be a club legend and this management stint might hinder this.
We are in a rock and a hard place because if he leaves/sacked the next manager will have little support either.
Sorry Ole you brought some of this on yourself with your tough talking last season and now it's backfired and made you look foolish, I'd love him to walk away and slate the glazers and Woodward

 

[Renegade]

Fitness in pre-season is up 50% from the previous pre-season, or 'from the previous off-season' as I wrote above. It's from an article by the Athletic. Here's the full quote:

Don’t see the point when players are strolling around just like last year. Couldn’t the fact the World Cup happened last year have an impact on that? I fully anticipate these players gassing early. Squad is so small.

 

[Enigma_87]

Probably even more for Jose.

I think by 2013 he was already damaged goods.

Still had one title in him. I’d be pretty happy with that in hindsight.

 

[red4ever 79]

I want to know how the hell can Rashford be on freekicks, when he is crap at them. Surely a good manager would see that and do something about that

 

[Thoms]

Unproven and unexperienced manager, was never the man for the job.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Still had one title in him. I’d be pretty happy with that in hindsight.

I don’t want one title win though, I want progress and good football. Not much to ask from the worlds biggest club (apparently)

 

[Enigma_87]

I don’t want one title win though, I want progress and good football. Not much to ask from the worlds biggest club (apparently)

Still beats the hell out of 82 crosses against Fulham.

Long term vision is preferred of course but you need the right man for the job and Ed can’t identify it. Which is the sad state of affairs.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Still beats the hell out of 82 crosses against Fulham.

Long term vision is preferred of course but you need the right man for the job and Ed can’t identify it. Which is the sad state of affairs.

The buck starts at the top, he is the problem but isn’t going anywhere soon so what do you do keep replacing the manager?

It’s becoming Groundhog Day watching united now.

 

[Møllemanden]

I want to know how the hell can Rashford be on freekicks, when he is crap at them. Surely a good manager would see that and do something about that

I agree. We should keep the ball and make them chase it, instead of plowing the ball into row z. Especially considering Palace did such an excellent job timewasting. Correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't it been a long time since we've scored from a direct freekick?

 

[BlueHaze]

Lasted nine months at Cardiff before getting the bullet
P30 W9 D5 L16

At Utd
P32 W17 D5 L10

In our last 16 competitive games W3 D4 L9

Sentiment aside, that is simply shocking

Loss for words. 3 wins in 16 games is worse than Moyes.

 

[Enigma_87]

The buck starts at the top, he is the problem but isn’t going anywhere soon so what do you do keep replacing the manager?

It’s becoming Groundhog Day watching united now.

When someone is not up to the job you boot him and learn from that experience. I hope we learn from the current experience and don’t appoint a nobody with the task of monumental rebuilding job.

If not we’re idiots simple as.

 

[Uniquim]

Don’t see the point when players are strolling around just like last year. Couldn’t the fact the World Cup happened last year have an impact on that? I fully anticipate these players gassing early. Squad is so small.

They are clearly pressing more than last year, at least pre-OGS. You can even see James, and other attackers pressing the opposition goalkeepers and defenders at times. They tried to do it under Ole last year, and managed to do so up until the PSG game. The point in improving fitness over the off-season is to have them continuing to press more in more games without getting too fatigued long-term.

I do however agree that the squad currently is too small in terms of senior players that should be in the first team, and that'll be a big factor at some point. It's great too have youth players coming through, but we are a bit over-reliant on them at the moment.

 

[BlueHaze]

He doesn't even respect himself by playing guys like Lingard and Young in 2019 when we have kids waiting for a chance so I don't care to be honest. Neither him or the team does so why should we fans get upset over these spineless cowards?

 

[::sonny::]

It’s the well known 5 step process, already seen with Moyes, LVG, Mourinho:

1) bad transfers >
2) bad results >
3) blame the manager >
4) sack the manager >
5) new manager > start again from point 1

The next is sack the manager, probably in October

OGS arrived at point 3, when you arrive there you’re already fecked