Hard to beat anyone who is outrunning you by 8km. We need a preseason badly
Appointing Solskjaer was a mistake
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Hard to beat anyone who is outrunning you by 8km. We need a preseason badly
Funny how you think knee jerk caf posters represents match going fans. Home and away fans will have Ole's back till the end. And why does it say you support Man City?
Because they dong have the legs right now to play any other way
Funny how you think knee jerk caf posters represents match going fans. Home and away fans will have Ole's back till the end. And why does it say you support Man City?
Not at all what I think. I am part of the match going fans!
I believe a Mod has not taken too kindly to my jokes and so has changed that support tag. That was not my doing.
Maybe
In managerial terms he is a ramdon schmuck compared to LVG and Mourinho. I think you’re kidding yourself if you think his sacking would force the Glazers out. If it would, then bloody sack him now.
They need to give him the summer to throw out some of the scum we have in the club who doesn't give a toss about anything and build his own team. It's completely up to Ole to just take yesterdays game as an example and be ruthless. Players who can't be arsed to even run should be shown the door immediately. If he doesn't prioritise this first and foremost then he will be digging his own grave regarldess.
Did you even see the body language of the players? They dont give a them but OLE is the problem? You are nuts, check our Jenas analysis and come back again. Stop spouting nonsense.
I bloody hope so. Ole is the first manager that has a connection to the fans, you can feel his desire to take us to the top again. I would back him to the hilt! But unfortunately, many match going fans are not old enough to have enjoyed him at his best and so don't have that connection.
Utter rubbish. He's done well with what he's got to work with. Not signed anyone yet.
Support the club or go elsewhere
people still pushing that “support the club or go elsewhere” stuff?
have we not learnt anything about blind faith?
mad
have we not learnt anything about blind faith?
mad
The players have got nowhere to hide. Maybe Ole won't turn out to be the greatest manager of all time but he certainly knows a lot more about the mentality required to play for this club than most of the feckers wearing the shirt every week.
I don't think Ole was brought in to win now. We're in a rebuild and we need a culture change at the club and I trust Ole to help oversee what hopefully will be the start of us recruiting players with decent mentality and a drive to play for the shirt, they still exist when your looking in the right place and not trying to sign Juve's best player.
I don't think Ole was brought in to win now. We're in a rebuild and we need a culture change at the club and I trust Ole to help oversee what hopefully will be the start of us recruiting players with decent mentality and a drive to play for the shirt, they still exist when your looking in the right place and not trying to sign Juve's best player.
I've said this since he was appointed, he should of been given the Interim position until the end of the season to fully assess his performance as manager. It's all great when were winning but....
Can he get us out of a rut?
Can he take negative performances and turn them around?
Can he motivate the squad after a few loses/draws?
These are all questions that were unanswered when he was appointed permanently and prematurely, we got over excited like we always do.
I don't think we should be sacking him though because a change in manager, philosophy, style of play, formation has changed nothing!
Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and now Ole, we're still exactly the same and even worse some of our current players have managed to survive all of those bad periods and its now glaringly obvious that a large group of those players need to be moved on, as Gary Neville said talent isn't enough and the knotweed needs to be pulled out at the roots.
Ed Woodward isn't helping nor are the Glazers, sure they're throwing the money in but there focus is to make themselves more money instead of success on the pitch, that needs to change too. We need seperate teams one dedicated to sponsorships and the buisness side and one focused on football, youth recruitment, transfers etc (A DIRECTOR OF FOOTBALL!)
If things don't change from the top in this way we will continue going around in circles the rumours in the news that we'll be focusing our transfer strategy on young English talent rather than superstars is MENTAL! We should be after both, in Players that fit both the values of Manchester United (never give up attitude, all ways giving a 100%) as well as being top class players.
Fergie wasn't just a fantastic manager his recruitment process was built on those same things. It didn't matter whether they were 28 or 18 as long as they had the right attitude, the talent and the attributes he was looking for to bring to the team then he would go for them.
Ole needs to do the same thing here, remove the knotweed, rebuild but unless other things, above him change we may well he in for a rough time the next few years.
Can he get us out of a rut?
Can he take negative performances and turn them around?
Can he motivate the squad after a few loses/draws?
These are all questions that were unanswered when he was appointed permanently and prematurely, we got over excited like we always do.
I don't think we should be sacking him though because a change in manager, philosophy, style of play, formation has changed nothing!
Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and now Ole, we're still exactly the same and even worse some of our current players have managed to survive all of those bad periods and its now glaringly obvious that a large group of those players need to be moved on, as Gary Neville said talent isn't enough and the knotweed needs to be pulled out at the roots.
Ed Woodward isn't helping nor are the Glazers, sure they're throwing the money in but there focus is to make themselves more money instead of success on the pitch, that needs to change too. We need seperate teams one dedicated to sponsorships and the buisness side and one focused on football, youth recruitment, transfers etc (A DIRECTOR OF FOOTBALL!)
If things don't change from the top in this way we will continue going around in circles the rumours in the news that we'll be focusing our transfer strategy on young English talent rather than superstars is MENTAL! We should be after both, in Players that fit both the values of Manchester United (never give up attitude, all ways giving a 100%) as well as being top class players.
Fergie wasn't just a fantastic manager his recruitment process was built on those same things. It didn't matter whether they were 28 or 18 as long as they had the right attitude, the talent and the attributes he was looking for to bring to the team then he would go for them.
Ole needs to do the same thing here, remove the knotweed, rebuild but unless other things, above him change we may well he in for a rough time the next few years.
Yeah we have heard the same with Moyes, LVG and Mourinho. I think with Moyes we didn't give him time, but it just got worse and worse. it was clear that he didn't know how to improve us as a team.
LVG got far too much time and most of what he did totally failed. A short boost from Rashford gave us the Fa cup, but that is it.
Mourinho got some sucess with us and we won some titles. Although he imploded near the end which we have seen from him before. Also did mainly bring in players for short term sucess and some of them like Sanchez just made us worse.
So just sack anyone who has a bad run? Forget the fact it was a long winning run that got us back into contention for 4th in the first place or the optimism that returned in the CL...
Not to mention Ole has not even signed single player or able disposed of anyone he thought was not good enough...
Seriously, you should consider turning your attention to Real, they seem right up your street
Well you should support the players too I guess and want to give them another chance?
People have the right to question the manager after a poor run of result and one of the worst performances I have seen from a United side.
Likewise, one could argue that by accepting utter mediocrity and awful footballing decisions you yourself should go and support another club - Bolton, or Oldham maybe?
As neither of these things are what Utd is about.
It’ll be a make or break summer for him that’s for sure. If he gets backed properly then he will do well but if he only signs 2 or 3 players like he’s suggested then we will be talking about sacking him by xmas.
How many chances do you want to give them? Most of them have had long enough to be judged fully by now and know who is not good enough.
Yes, and I have the right to question some of
the fans. I see some of the same users that said Salah was not good enough during his time at Chelsea, Kane was justing going to be a one season wonder or Klopp was overrated (while at Dortmund)
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Yeah, knee jerking idiots, who form complete opinions from after whatever the last game was...
Nonsense. Nobody is accepting mediocrity. All they say is give him time to make some transfers and shore up the team to his liking before making emotional decisions.
Still faffing about with the defense (is he really the man to shore up this defense?)
Huh? What exactly are his options at the moment? Not play any defenders?
Still playing the same formation
He switched it up yesterday and look what happened. He had to anyway because we were missing Shaw and there is no confidence in Young at the moment.
Still willing to give the deadwood more chances
He has given senior debuts to Chong, Greenwood but you have to play with the cards you're dealt, no? He had no say in the building of this current squad.
Still shunting Rashford to the wing
Rashford is not striker we can rely on yet, his finishing is still not up to standard for a team trying to challenge for titles. I think you know this too.
Yet, he has continued to play him at ST more times than he has put him on the wings since he arrived.
Still putting Matic straight back into the team
You may have a point there but in a team with such poor defenders, you need a true DM to help and Matic is the only one we have on the books.
Are you going to give Ole a chance in the transfer window before you complain about his player choices?
Still calling out the players in the press
Every manager does it; as long as you're not publicly disrespecting the player. Something Mourinho did not care about doing.
Still talking about the past
What past? You mean reminding the players of what this club is about and where we are supposed to be?
Still negative
You really believe that?
At least Mourinho would have had them fired up to come back from a losing position once in a while
I honestly and completely cannot tell if you're being serious or not. I'm not being patronizing or condescending, I genuinely cannot tell.
This thread is an embarrassment.
Give him a chance to get them fit and sign a couple players.
Plastics.
Give him a chance to get them fit and sign a couple players.
Plastics.
Not a mistake, I'd give Ole as long as we gave Ferguson. There's a huge rebuilding job to be done. If you haven't realised it's not the players by now you haven't been watching our games.
We've seen the effort the players can put in (first month with Ole), and if they played like that consistently we'd be easily in 3rd place currently and possibly in the running for the title next season with a few recruitments. Yes you probably are going to disagree with that, but the players were electrifying for the first 4 weeks under OGS.
In my opinion Ole needs to get rid of all our older players and also our Deadwood and recruit young players, like De Ligt, who actually work for the team and not for money. I don't want us buying any superstars like Bale this summer (maybe a superstar keeper like Oblak). I'd rather us build a young squad that can compete in 3 years time. De Gea, Pogba need to go, they aren't committed, they just want money, and it's a real shame. We need to recruit players like Artur for Barcelona, dirt cheap and look at his price tag now.
Over the next few seasons I'd like to see our lineup more like this:
-----------------------------Oblak-----------------------------------
Dalot-----Lindelof-----Koulibaly/De Ligt-----Shaw
---------McTom-------Neves/Rice------Coutinho?----
--------Sancho--------Rashford----------Martial--------
Midfield wise I'm not so sure, possibly Saul, Ndombele, Fernandes as options. Martial is a question mark at the minute as well. Wan-Bissaka could be a shout for RB but I'm happy with Dalots progress. Overall, big changes need to be made.
We've seen the effort the players can put in (first month with Ole), and if they played like that consistently we'd be easily in 3rd place currently and possibly in the running for the title next season with a few recruitments. Yes you probably are going to disagree with that, but the players were electrifying for the first 4 weeks under OGS.
In my opinion Ole needs to get rid of all our older players and also our Deadwood and recruit young players, like De Ligt, who actually work for the team and not for money. I don't want us buying any superstars like Bale this summer (maybe a superstar keeper like Oblak). I'd rather us build a young squad that can compete in 3 years time. De Gea, Pogba need to go, they aren't committed, they just want money, and it's a real shame. We need to recruit players like Artur for Barcelona, dirt cheap and look at his price tag now.
Over the next few seasons I'd like to see our lineup more like this:
-----------------------------Oblak-----------------------------------
Dalot-----Lindelof-----Koulibaly/De Ligt-----Shaw
---------McTom-------Neves/Rice------Coutinho?----
--------Sancho--------Rashford----------Martial--------
Midfield wise I'm not so sure, possibly Saul, Ndombele, Fernandes as options. Martial is a question mark at the minute as well. Wan-Bissaka could be a shout for RB but I'm happy with Dalots progress. Overall, big changes need to be made.
At the end of the 86-87 season, SAF lost 5 of the last 12, including a 0-4 loss at Tottenham (, lads). He had already gotten knocked out of the 4th round of the FA cup with a home loss to Coventry City. They should have sacked him before things got out of hand...
But hey, what's so big about getting rid of your 4th manager in 6 years? Continuity is overrated. Heck, no matter how many problems you have in the locker room and within the organization, any decent manager should have things under control in half a season, right?
Folks, even if you DON'T want Ole at the wheel, no manager is going to survive the next two years given what we know and what we can figure out about this team. Combining his history and love for United with what he accomplished at Molde, I do believe he's the guy to retool this thing back to greatness, but it won't happen in one transfer window or one season. It's probably going to be painful, but there are a lot of contracts to clear out and it will take more than the next 12 months to accomplish that.
But hey, what's so big about getting rid of your 4th manager in 6 years? Continuity is overrated. Heck, no matter how many problems you have in the locker room and within the organization, any decent manager should have things under control in half a season, right?
Folks, even if you DON'T want Ole at the wheel, no manager is going to survive the next two years given what we know and what we can figure out about this team. Combining his history and love for United with what he accomplished at Molde, I do believe he's the guy to retool this thing back to greatness, but it won't happen in one transfer window or one season. It's probably going to be painful, but there are a lot of contracts to clear out and it will take more than the next 12 months to accomplish that.
Even Guardiola and Klopp had their struggles, I bet he would have turned on them as well.
Ole's been saying it for a while and lots of fans have realised it too. We're not fit enough and there's nothing we can do about that until pre season. However, if you can't play to your ideal style then a manager should be able to at least make us function and Ole isn't doing that.
I think anyone sensible by now realises the problems in the club are not down to the managers. Ole is a good appointment because the fans will not turn on him. They will turn on the club management and the players long before Ole gets any stick.
Klopp finished 8th in his first season. I'm honestly appalled by his quickly some have turned on Ole. I knew we has some entitled morons for supporters but it's even worse than I'd thought
We are on page 16 of a thread called "appointing solskjaer was a mistake"
I'd bet most of the posters speaking against him have never set foot in Old Trafford. I don't know any matchgoers who have even hinted they want him out.
You'd win that bet.
And then what happens? Seriously? We had the green and gold protests for years, last time I checked the glazers are still in charge still taking as much money out of the club as they always have.
The only way to really make a difference would be for fans to not turn up week in week out probably for years. Fans over the world to not by any merchandise. And then hope some one came in with an acceptable offer before we did too much damage to the club. Let’s face it that isn’t gonna happen. Football fans never do that. We may get a walk out or a turn up late one game, and a few banners but that’s how far we will ever get.
So what we gonna do riot? Damage Old Trafford? No thanks, get arrested? No thanks. Threaten the glazers physically? Which is not acceptable and would( and should) get you arrested.
Look at Newcastle they have been trying to get rid of Ashley for years and got no where.
They are embarrassing glory hunters.
If we had waited until the summer and hired someone else,then he would have to come in and look at the squad himself and another summer/season would be wasted imo.
At least now we know the squad is absolutely rotten and a handful of players needs to feck off in the summer along with the deadwood.
If that doesnt happen,nothing will change next season no matter who the manager is because the mentality of these players are dragging the whole squad down.
Im fully behind Ole and i hope he has the authority in the summer to kick out any player who goes against him or doesnt want to be here.
At least now we know the squad is absolutely rotten and a handful of players needs to feck off in the summer along with the deadwood.
If that doesnt happen,nothing will change next season no matter who the manager is because the mentality of these players are dragging the whole squad down.
Im fully behind Ole and i hope he has the authority in the summer to kick out any player who goes against him or doesnt want to be here.
My biggest worry is that we won't be able to attract the quality we need to improve the squad. I mean, we are a mess right now and every player in football knows that. Why would you come here now to play in a under a inexperienced manager with an uninspired squad?
I feel it's time for Liverpool to shine now for 20 years until it's our time again to dominate.
I feel it's time for Liverpool to shine now for 20 years until it's our time again to dominate.
United fans have been placidly accepting mediocrity for 6 years, and are now the worst fans for making, or accepting, ludicrous, insane decisions based solely on emotion.
Solskjaer's permanent appoint is perhaps is the biggest of these.
Correcting that decision before it's too late isn't an emotional decision - it's a practical, pragmatic one, for the best of the club.
That is actually outstanding compared to our current run tbhAt the end of the 86-87 season, SAF lost 5 of the last 12, including a 0-4 loss at Tottenham (, lads). He had already gotten knocked out of the 4th round of the FA cup with a home loss to Coventry City. They should have sacked him before things got out of hand...
But hey, what's so big about getting rid of your 4th manager in 6 years? Continuity is overrated. Heck, no matter how many problems you have in the locker room and within the organization, any decent manager should have things under control in half a season, right?
Folks, even if you DON'T want Ole at the wheel, no manager is going to survive the next two years given what we know and what we can figure out about this team. Combining his history and love for United with what he accomplished at Molde, I do believe he's the guy to retool this thing back to greatness, but it won't happen in one transfer window or one season. It's probably going to be painful, but there are a lot of contracts to clear out and it will take more than the next 12 months to accomplish that.
Not really. We've had a string of top level managers who needs to be given time. Asking someone to stop in and wave a magic wand to fix things is a knee jerk expectation bordering on idiocy. Ole had no support to refresh the team yet and we haven't even gone through a single transfer window.
Maybe... those were all league games, though. Three of our losses this run were FA Cup and Champions League games. And SAF still got blown off the field by Spurs.
I really do think there are other issues at play here organizationally, though, and some serious changes will have to happen during the next three transfer windows.
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