Appointing Solskjaer was a mistake

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Big Ben Foster said:
A new manager won't fix anything. The problems at the club run deeper than at the manager level. Ed is the one who needs to be sacked.
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Woodward and the entire structure above the manager has been the issue since SAF left. Until we have a upper management that are subject matter experts in football we are going nowhere. The sad thing is Ed doesnt care because according to him "we dont need to win titles to make money".
 
Should sack Woodward.

He's failed again.

As for Ole, he has the job. He'll have the summer and pre-season. I don't see the point in sacking him now even if I don't think he's the right manager for the job.
 
mu4c_20le said:
What difference would it make in terms of todays result?
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None, though like whe we gave Ole the job at christamas, it was so we could get things in place for next season.

So the diffrence it would make is do we don't we intrust the obviously needed rebuild of the club that has to start this summer to Woodward and Ole. One of which has been doing this for 6 years and it more responsible then anyone for the issues with the squad, the other is already looking like a premature appointment and whose only experience of transfers anywhere near Uniteds level was at Cardiff which was an utter disaster.
 
A genuine question, if fans were told in December, we would lose to Barca, Everton, arsenal and wolves away with this squad under any manager, would anyone have had any arguments about it.
 
Solskjaer papered over massive cracks for the first 12 games or whatever.

This is the reality:
Owners that don't want to invest in the club.
Players who don't care about the club.
A stadium that is showing its age.

The game is moving on. I hope United start making moves to keep up with it.
 
bleedred said:
A genuine question, if fans were told in December, we would lose to Barca, Everton, arsenal and wolves away with this squad under any manager, would anyone have had any arguments about it.
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i'd also add is we hadn't given him the job when we did, would their be anybody still saying he should get the job permanently today?
 
Stretch said:
You’re assuming a lot there. So many if’s. I don’t know if I trust Ole to get the right players. There’s absolutely zero evidence that supports him being good at identifying what we need player wise nor having to clout to land said players. I have a feeling we will be here again next season with mostly mediocre players. And managers do play a role when signing talent. I really hope your assumptions come to fruition else we’re behind another year again
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He has a good a chance as any of signing the right players surely he or anyone couldn’t do as badly as LVG and Jose in terms of signings there’s were abysmal
 
I have a feeling Woody and the board will massively regret the decision to give Ole the long term contract too early leading to them being restrictive when it comes to transfer decisions this summer.
We might be on the way to lose another 2 seasons before the real rebuilding job can start under whoever might finally be considered the right manager.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
I have a feeling Woody and the board will massively regret the decision to give Ole the long term contract too early leading to them being restrictive when it comes to transfer decisions this summer.
We might be on the way to lose another 2 seasons before the real rebuilding job can start under whoever might finally be considered the right manager.
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It matters not who the manager is as long as ED Woodward is our director of football, which he obviously is in all except name.
 
Appointment timing abysmal from the men up stairs.
To give it to a man who has never rebuilt a football team before. Decision was done on emotions and recklace from the board management.
Just don't know what to expect in the upcoming months.
 
I think not waiting till the end of the season was the mistake. I like Ole a lot but it's a massive gamble a club like Utd shouldn't be taking given the mistakes that have already happened with previous appointments..... In fact they were lesser of a gamble.

I can't think of any global entity where it's the biggest in its respective marketplace that it would appoint a figurehead that didn't have the experience. It's like Sainsbury's appointing its CEO who's the bloke who ran a successful corner shop. This opportunity wasn't even offered to Ste Bruce who's done his apprenticeship (can you imagine the outcry on here if they did and that's my point). This is like appointing Darren Ferguson who has managed lower league clubs equivalent to in Norway (probably higher) hoping that he has his fathers gene and cause he played for and knows the club.....
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Reading this makes it feel like we're in 2013 and just appointed Moyes. Give him time, they said. Let him build his squad, they said. Our club shouldn't be a training ground for a manager.
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We're pretty much in the same position as then.

At the moment.

It's honestly insane.
 
Sack Ole now and a new manager comes in where 'everyone starts with a clean slate'. Screw that. This group of players needs breaking up and I hope that Ole's post match comments to the effect that some of them won't be part of his team's future success means he is ready to take the necessary steps to make that happen.

Ole signed none of this bunch. But he knows them now. As well as the has beens and never weres, those with the talent to be legends but the attitude and application of bell ends can feck off as well.

Thus isn't a one summer process. But a summer without international distractions and a full pre season is a good start If the parasites that own the club and their henchman Woodward are prepared to back Ole.
 
Litch said:
I think not waiting till the end of the season was the mistake. I like Ole a lot but it's a massive gamble a club like Utd shouldn't be taking given the mistakes that have already happened with previous appointments. I can't think of any global entity where it's the biggest in its respective marketplace that it would appoint a figurehead that didn't have the experience. It's like Sainsbury's appointing its CEO who's the bloke who ran a successful corner shop. This opportunity wasn't even offered to Ste Bruce who's done his apprenticeship (can you imagine the outcry on here if they did and that's my point). This is like appointing Darren Ferguson who has managed lower league clubs equivalent to in Norway (probably higher) hoping that he has his fathers gene and cause he played and knows the club.....
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all true. gave him the job because of 3 months of getting results against xG, and I don't even care for that xG stuff, but I remember when people brought it up and kept saying we were winning games against the run of play and that it wasn't sustainable, they were shut down and drowned in a sea of "Ole knows the United way". It's mad how people have so much faith on Ole despite the only points of reference being him relegating Cardiff and managing at such a low level (Norwegian league), its even crazier that people believe he's the man to undertake and oversee the rebuilding job we need based on stuff like "knows what the club is all about".

Real got rid of Solari quick. If only we had the balls.
 
Don't think we should sack him but did think it was stupid to appoint him when we did, why couldn't we just see out the season like we planned to. This club currently does nothing right, just one calamitous decision after another.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
I have a feeling Woody and the board will massively regret the decision to give Ole the long term contract too early leading to them being restrictive when it comes to transfer decisions this summer.
We might be on the way to lose another 2 seasons before the real rebuilding job can start under whoever might finally be considered the right manager.
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Think its a good point, it was obvious last summer the Woodward had lost a bit of faith in Mourinho so didn't fully back him in the window, if their are already doubts about Ole are they gonna fully back him?

Course it could go the other was and them double down on him and open the check book and with Ole's lack of experience in transfers and Woodward checkered history means we get ourselves into and even bigger mess.
 
We have to get behind Ole regardless of whether we think he will be here long term. For what it's worth - I don't think he will be but still.

One of my major concerns with Ole is that from all interviews about incomings the feeling is that he will only be bringing in 2-3 which is absolute asinine. If that is the case then he is gone by December.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
I have a feeling Woody and the board will massively regret the decision to give Ole the long term contract too early leading to them being restrictive when it comes to transfer decisions this summer.
We might be on the way to lose another 2 seasons before the real rebuilding job can start under whoever might finally be considered the right manager.
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This. Ed's going to let it play out, again, or risk losing £20m to pay Ole off. So on the to roundabout we go, again. Probably be around 2025 by the time we have a competent manager in with an actual strategy.
 
After every poor performance under Jose it was always Jose’s fault- ”His tactics are too negative” or “Mourinho’s past it, we need a new positive manager” Eventually the fans turned on Jose and he was rightly or wrongly sacked.
However, Jose was the perfect blanket for some of these players to hide behind. He took the flak for those poor performances whilst the players were quietly getting away with it and simply happily picking up there wages.
The players now have nowhere to hide. The fans are not going to turn against Ole as easily as they turned on Jose.
The players are now completely exposed and any poor performance is going to be highlighted and scrutinised. That is the reason we are now seeing who is and who isn’t up to the standard to play for this shirt and unfortunately for us there are more that are not than are.
A title winning squad isn’t built in a single transfer window but we need to start by getting rid of some of the disinterested players we have in the squad who are just happy picking up £200,000+ a week and replace them with hungary players who want to play for Manchester United.
Easier said than done but the next main appointment needs to be a sporting director to help Ole sort this mess out.
 
I didn’t read the op and I didn’t read the comments.


I feel like Ole needs time and fecking hell... let me tell you.... bla bla bla this went wrong and that went wrong and I would have did this thing differently...
 
TsuWave said:
all true. gave him the job because of 3 months of getting results against xG, and I don't even care for that xG stuff, but I remember when people brought it up and kept saying we were winning games against the run of play and that it wasn't sustainable, they were shut down and drowned in a sea of "Ole knows the United way". It's mad how people have so much faith on Ole despite the only points of reference being him relegating Cardiff and managing at such a low level (Norwegian league), its even crazier that people believe he's the man to undertake and oversee the rebuilding job we need based on stuff like "knows what the club is all about".

Real got rid of Solari quick. If only we had the balls.
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When you think about it without the emotion of what Ole naturally evokes as a Utd fan, it's pretty crazy when you actually think about it. The biggest club in the world appoints its next manager after Jose from the Norwegian football league. His right hand man couldn't do it as a manager himself and his assistants are someone brought up from coaching the U18 and an ex pro in his first coaching job. All nice guys (maybe too nice) but this is the management team to take on Pep, Klopp and Poc....?
 
Al-T said:
Sack Ole now and a new manager comes in where 'everyone starts with a clean slate'. Screw that. This group of players needs breaking up and I hope that Ole's post match comments to the effect that some of them won't be part of his team's future success means he is ready to take the necessary steps to make that happen.

Ole signed none of this bunch. But he knows them now. As well as the has beens and never weres, those with the talent to be legends but the attitude and application of bell ends can feck off as well.

Thus isn't a one summer process. But a summer without international distractions and a full pre season is a good start If the parasites that own the club and their henchman Woodward are prepared to back Ole.
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If you had to demolish your house and sack the previous builder cause he fecked it up, would you appoint a builder that's still in essence at college learning his trade who had already failed his first exam?
 
Appointing him wasn't a mistake. Appointing Mourinho was. Oh, and most of the players we bought were mistakes.
 
Sp00ks11 said:
Don't think we should sack him but did think it was stupid to appoint him when we did, why couldn't we just see out the season like we planned to. This club currently does nothing right, just one calamitous decision after another.
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Ed Woodward makes those decisions, never fear we may not win any trophies for a while but we have a great chance of getting a new lawnmower sponsor. People need to wake up...
 
Ban said:
Talking about sacking him is downright mental.
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And putting blind faith in someone who's past experience is managing in the Norwegian league is not even more mental? Someone mentioned it before, would you be as optimistic if we appointed Steve Bruce/Mark Hughes instead? I'm sure they 'get United' too.

It's not even just that though, he's getting shown up on a regular basis now. Shown up by Nuno Espirito Santo twice in one week. Embarrassed by Marco Silva today. Pellegrini easily had the better of him last week too. Each passing week, he's looking increasingly out of his depth. You cannot ignore this.

I wish someone could tell me what Ole has actually changed on the pitch? We look no different to when Mourinho was here. In fact, i would argue it's even worse. At least, he would actually attempt to change things during the match.

Why does everyone just assume that Ole is even capable of rebuilding us? It's the height of delusion to me.
 
Its astonishing that even when its clear the players are not good enough, people still want yet another manager, who hasn't even had an opportunity to buy ONE player. There is also some irony because these fans will then criticize the board for making poor football decisions!

I do not know whether Ole will be a success or a failure, but absolutely no one can have an valid argument for saying, at this moment in time, that it is a mistake to appoint him.

Litch said:
If you had to demolish your house and sack the previous builder cause he fecked it up, would you appoint a builder that's still in essence at college learning his trade who had already failed his first exam?
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Funny, this is pretty much what a lot of fans are saying regarding playing the youth players now like Laird, Greenword, Chong, Gomes and co from now on, even though, using your analogy, they are "in college learning the trade". Yet when a new manager arrives, no, he needs experience. This despite the fact that we've had three previous managers who have had plenty of experience and all three haven't done a good job.

Look people, this is NOT about trying to be right or wrong. Its just about giving a manager an opportunity to have a few transfer windows to see what he can do. You may be right. I may be right. Its irrelevant. What is important though is you don't hire someone, and then fire them, without giving them any opportunity to change anything.
 
bleedred said:
A genuine question, if fans were told in December, we would lose to Barca, Everton, arsenal and wolves away with this squad under any manager, would anyone have had any arguments about it.
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Exactly. It's perspective. And honestly, feck off to so many on here talking about losing to City and now unhappy with today's performance and Ole. You can't have both. You want United to be the best team in England or you spend your wretched existence looking around you.

Ole is the same as Jose in an important way - he wants to get rid of the weak and parasitic mentalities. He's different in that the footballing style and emphasis on youth is in his blood, as opposed to trying to become something different.

You want to give this club hope, it's not about the manager or player or executive independent of each other . they all need to be seeing eye to eye. Can we achieve that when Ed Woodward thinks he's running Disneyland?

da niet
 
Majima said:
And putting blind faith in someone who's past experience is managing in the Norwegian league is not even more mental? Someone mentioned it before, would you be as optimistic if we appointed Steve Bruce/Mark Hughes instead? I'm sure they 'get United' too.

It's not even just that though, he's getting shown up on a regular basis now. Shown up by Nuno Espirito Santo twice in one week. Embarrassed by Marco Silva today. Pellegrini easily had the better of him last week too. Each passing week, he's looking increasingly out of his depth. You cannot ignore this.

I wish someone could tell me what Ole has actually changed on the pitch? We look no different to when Mourinho was here. In fact, i would argue it's even worse. At least, he would actually attempt to change things during the match.

Why does everyone just assume that Ole is even capable of rebuilding us? It's the height of delusion to me.
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Ole cares about United and he will quit if he feels he cannot do the job. The problem right now is the owners who are running the club into the ground. Oh, and also people who keep buying the shirts so long as the current owners remain.
 
You could bring in Guardiola with Klopp as his deputy and they wouldnt get a performance out of these players as it stands now. Ole has got the reins and the ideas to improve the team, as was shown the first 10 games. The fact its built on fitness and running is now being shown up as the players havent got the long term fitness and stamina built into them. This comes with pre-season training. Everybody should give him a season at least before becoming negative. Let him have a transfer window or two, let him train them to the fitness levels he wants them to attain to.
 
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