Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.

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Imo he's probably worth 60 million euros or something like that. De Jong and De Ligt were around 85 million euros with the idea that they'll be among the best in their position shortly.

transfermarkt suggests that there are 3 players who are currently worth 100 million euros or more. Mbappe, Haaland and Vinicius with Foden, Salah and Kane at 90.

Joao Felix cost Atletico 127 million euros, transfermarkt suggests hes currently worth 70 million euros now... Huge fees like that are hard to pay off without multiple top class seasons with productivity.

I guess if we go to 100 million euros it'll be extra tax for Lisandro and ETH on top of 85/86 million euros like De Jong and De Ligt... We'd better hope he does a lot better than they have.
 
One of the odd things about putting people on ignore is that you see a new page in the thread. Oh! Click on it, and no-one. Spooky. Anyway, happy Antony without a H day, muppets.
 
A player with good close control, dribbling skills and a great stamina? I am not dreaming, am I?
 
Antony will be new Ronaldo, while Sancho will still be new Messi.

There, I’ve said it.
 
K Stand Knut said:
Maybe not but again, forgive me for questioning the theory of paying €100m for this lad.

The price is ludicrous
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It’s not when you consider the prices this summer. Scousers paying €100 million for Nunez, as the benchmark, which Ajax were rightly demanding.
 
Ekeke said:
Imo he's probably worth 60 million euros or something like that. De Jong and De Ligt were around 85 million euros with the idea that they'll be among the best in their position shortly.

transfermarkt suggests that there are 3 players who are currently worth 100 million euros or more. Mbappe, Haaland and Vinicius with Foden, Salah and Kane at 90.

Joao Felix cost Atletico 127 million euros, transfermarkt suggests hes currently worth 70 million euros now... Huge fees like that are hard to pay off without multiple top class seasons with productivity.

I guess if we go to 100 million euros it'll be extra tax for Lisandro and ETH on top of 85/86 million euros like De Jong and De Ligt... We'd better hope he does a lot better than they have.
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De Jong and De Ligt were busts for their clubs. What other players were bought for should hold little impact
 
Lecland07 said:
The only thing people should be bothered about is whether he is any good on the pitch. I don't care how much Maguire, Antony, Casemiro, or any player cost; it is irrelevant as it is not the fans' job to handle the club's finances and expenditure. They have no control so there is no point in worrying about it.
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The price of a player often has a direct effect on their performances on the pitch though.

Its not just,spend the money and that's it, it's totally forgotten about... It becomes a major part of them.
 
Come on lads, we've overpaid, sure, but let's be a little more upbeat and positive. He fills a massive problem area for us which we've had for years. He's going to smash it!
 
Annihilate Now! said:
The price of a player often has a direct effect on their performances on the pitch though.

Its not just,spend the money and that's it, it's totally forgotten about... It becomes a major part of them.
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If it has effect on them, they are mentally weak anyway then.
 
I've got a good feeling about this kid.

He's under the coach who knows him inside out - whose talent ID has brought in good signings in Malacia and Martinez.

Superb technique, a left footed RW is a rarity these days and he has the confidence to go with it.

Overpaid? Definitely, he's probably worth closer to €60-70m. But I'm not complaining, he will keep Rashford and Elanga out of the XI.

Excited to see him in action. I trust Ten Hag on this one.
 
I like his transfer fee. It will make me appreciate his goals/performances more than if he cost a paltry 40 odd million.

Wish we’d spent more actually so I could appreciate him more
 
Redbandito said:
Let’s hope not. Sancho should start at LW. Rashford can come in for a change of pace in the final 15-20 mins when Sancho is running on empty.
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With five substitutes, I think we'll begin to see a fundamental change to the way squads are built. It's not as important to have a concise starting XI and then a roster of backup players. Emphasis on being able to play for 95 minutes will also start to wane. Five subs lets a club maintain multiple main players for certain positions, particularly the midfielders and wingers who have to do a lot of running. This new rule will change the game more than most people probably anticipated.
 
Lecland07 said:
Prices have been ludicrous for ages. The time to discuss prices is something for the past - £30m was seen as an extortionate fee in the early 2000s; now, it is seen as quite reasonable. It has gone beyond the point of discussion as it isn't going to change.

40m, 50m, 60m, 70m, 80m, 90m - Are these price really any more ridiculous than each other? They are all insane amounts of money to bring just one player to the club.

The only thing people should be bothered about is whether he is any good on the pitch. I don't care how much Maguire, Antony, Casemiro, or any player cost; it is irrelevant as it is not the fans' job to handle the club's finances and expenditure. They have no control so there is no point in worrying about it.
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The issue is that transfer budgets are finite. Every penny we spend on this guy is money we don't spend on someone else. Overpaying on him could mean that our budget for a right back drops from £40M to £20M next summer, for example. Or it could mean we can't afford even a backup striker for this season. In isolation the number attached to his transfer is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned, but I am worried about the knock on effect for future transfer windows.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Just to be more accurate, fees of those players you’ve listed above should be:

Antony - £80.75m + £4.25m add-ons
Nunez - £64m + £21m add-ons
Richarlison - £50m + £10m add-ons
Raphinha - £50m + £5m add-ons

Safe to say we’ve overpaid by around 30% of market price as compared to other players of similar calibre (ie Raphinha). Its not too much IMO, especially if he is key part of our project, but ideally I would wish we could only sign him for around £60m, which I think is a fair price for both clubs.

And since we have already bought him, and he is clearly young and talented and outstanding in making progressive passes/carries, I agree we should all look forward to this signing.
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It depends how he performs.

If he gives us Raphinha or Richarlison performances then yeah we've overpaid.

But I'm hoping he's better than them. I think he or any player needs to be for us to get back to the top.

I mean Raphinha and Richarlison are/were decent in the Prem but we need more than that. Which costs more.
 
evil_geko said:
If it has effect on them, they are mentally weak anyway then.
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True, though obviously different players deal differently with pressure.

Its not just the player though, it's his teammates, it's fans, it's press, expectations across the board ride significantly.

Anthony could be a very good/solid player, but he maybe never be a 100m player. Hopefully he will be, but I do think it's a bit naive to think the story ends at us just spending the money and that's it, or the whole "it's not your money, why care?" thing.
 
Marwood said:
It depends how he performs.

If he gives us Raphinha or Richarlison performances then yeah we've overpaid.

But I'm hoping he's better than them. I think he or any player needs to be for us to get back to the top.

I mean Raphinha and Richarlison are/were decent in the Prem but we need more than that. Which costs more.
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Raphinha is definitely a good player who would shine more in good team though, he just didn’t have that setup with Leeds, but he is still outstanding player for them .
 
Micky Targaryen said:
There will be no shortage of posters making dumb comments like poor man’s Nani, bad decision making and losing the ball too much. Not realising that flair comes with certain risks.
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Too early, but I won't be surprised if Antony far surpasses Nani
 
Question from an Ajax fan.....

How good is Leon Bailey from Aston Villa? Does he play like Antony? Is he good at RW?

He will be an option to replace Antony at Ajax...
 
largelyworried said:
The issue is that transfer budgets are finite. Every penny we spend on this guy is money we don't spend on someone else. Overpaying on him could mean that our budget for a right back drops from £40M to £20M next summer, for example. Or it could mean we can't afford even a backup striker for this season. In isolation the number attached to his transfer is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned, but I am worried about the knock on effect for future transfer windows.
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Who else are we going to spend it on though?

And if he does well he could be the difference between 4th and 5th, at which point any overpayment will pale into insignificance.
 
Dansk said:
With five substitutes, I think we'll begin to see a fundamental change to the way squads are built. It's not as important to have a concise starting XI and then a roster of backup players. Emphasis on being able to play for 95 minutes will also start to wane. Five subs lets a club maintain multiple main players for certain positions, particularly the midfielders and wingers who have to do a lot of running. This new rule will change the game more than most people probably anticipated.
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I haaaaaaate the new rule. For too many reasons to post.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Raphinha is definitely a good player who would shine more in good team though, he just didn’t have that setup with Leeds, but he is still outstanding player for them .
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He wasn't outstanding for Leeds. Not in the Premier League. He was just decent. Not top class in any way.

We need better than that which costs more.

Obviously it's on Antony and the coaching staff now to show he's better and worth the extra dosh.

I think he is better.
 
Marwood said:
He wasn't outstanding for Leeds. Not in the Premier League. He was just decent. Not top class in any way.

We need better than that which costs more.

Obviously it's on Antony and the coaching staff now to show he's better and worth the extra dosh.

I think he is better.
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Current level is probably similar to Raphinha but is 4 years younger and with higher potential as his technique just looks much sharper IMO.
 
K Stand Knut said:
Yeah, you're right. I should definitely feel happy, confident and excited about a €100m signing who I've never seen play instead.

Especially when he's been signed by a club with such an amazing track record of getting players st the right price
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Yeah you should, i agree, but if getting excited about a young Brazilian international winger, who our new manager loves, is too big of a positive step away from the worry, nerves and vomit for your liking....

Maybe what you could do is, actually watch him play, then form an opinion based on something tangible, instead of shitting yourself over things like our transfer history, things that have no relevance to Antony.
 
bosnian_red said:
Current level is probably similar to Raphinha but is 4 years younger and with higher potential as his technique just looks much sharper IMO.
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Yeah I think he looks sharper. More aggressive, confident. Raphinha a bit soft for me.

But that's what I mean with a price comparison.

Antony has cost more but simple explanation is that he's just better?
 
Exorbitant fee for the player but that's not to say he isn't a player with great potential and a good fit for the squad. However the more we pay, the more we have to worry about the transfer budget for next season. There is going to be a price to pay for these massive fees we're dishing out to Ajax. The glazers never have 2 seasons of high spending, so with the holes at GK, RB, CM and ST leaves me worried about the team. Unless the Glazers plan to sell the club, we should be wary
 
largelyworried said:
The issue is that transfer budgets are finite. Every penny we spend on this guy is money we don't spend on someone else. Overpaying on him could mean that our budget for a right back drops from £40M to £20M next summer, for example. Or it could mean we can't afford even a backup striker for this season. In isolation the number attached to his transfer is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned, but I am worried about the knock on effect for future transfer windows.
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You have to look at the average then. We only paid £17m for Malacia and nothing for Eriksen (maybe a signing on fee?), so we made savings on these two in comparison to what you would normally expect to pay (these savings could be considered to offset the higher cost of Antony). Average expense on the 5 players would actually be €44m each. Still a lot of money, but that is what football is nowadays.

We could have got someone cheaper than Antony, but it isn't much use if the manager doesn't want, or like, that other player. That could end in a worse situation where you have a player the manager has no intention of using and then still have to sign Antony the next summer (probably for not much less). We could end up with two players on wages instead of one.
 
Marwood said:
Yeah I think he looks sharper. More aggressive, confident. Raphinha a bit soft for me.

But that's what I mean with a price comparison.

Antony has cost more but simple explanation is that he's just better?
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I'd say the bigger explanation is age and potential due to his talent and age. Not necessarily better now, but probably will be better soon. Fair price for him would've been what Raphinha went for, as i felt that was an overpay for raphinha but raphinha is at his level probably and won't change much from here (he's 26 i think). The extra overpay is due to timing in the window and Ajax not wanting to sell, and the options on the market for a left footed right winger being non existent now.
 
SirAnderson said:
So he will forever ride on the "then" wave. Sheesh. Talk about being desperate for attention. "Then" is ancient history and he still uses it.
Trying to make it he's equivalent "Here we go" catch phrase, but it sure has hell doesn't carry any of the same weight to it.
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Ha. You got Nurse'd.

That's the point. He says ancient things. "Then" is now ancient, and so we've come full circle, bruh.
 
largelyworried said:
The issue is that transfer budgets are finite. Every penny we spend on this guy is money we don't spend on someone else. Overpaying on him could mean that our budget for a right back drops from £40M to £20M next summer, for example. Or it could mean we can't afford even a backup striker for this season. In isolation the number attached to his transfer is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned, but I am worried about the knock on effect for future transfer windows.
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If we have deals lined up and they are only blocked because of Antony deal, then yes can see where you are coming from.
 
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