Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.

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GledTheRed said:
Entitled? Why?

Ajax would struggle for top 6 in England, our worst position in years.

Last time we played Ajax in a major final we walked it.
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5 years ago? 5 years is a long time in football.

When Real came calling for Ronaldo at 23 everyone was pissed. So anyone can understand why Ajax and their fans wouldn't want to let him go at this late stage.

Also Ajax definitely have a better chance of winning the CL before we do even if we qualify for it next season.

It's time we understand where we stand in the footballing world and right now Ajax are better in everyway possible than United and even United won't finish in the top 6 the way we are going.

A little respect man. Let's not belittle other clubs just because we don't get our way. Unless it's Liverpool :D
 
Witchking said:
5 years ago? 5 years is a long time in football.

When Real came calling for Ronaldo at 23 everyone was pissed. So anyone can understand why Ajax and their fans wouldn't want to let him go at this late stage.

Also Ajax definitely have a better chance of winning the CL before we do even if we qualify for it next season.

It's time we understand where we stand in the footballing world and right now Ajax are better in everyway possible than United and even United won't finish in the top 6 the way we are going.

A little respect man. Let's not belittle other clubs just because we don't get our way. Unless it's Liverpool :D
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Ajax are better than United?

Do you think United would win Eredivise?
 
Jacob said:
They win the league with or without him. They are never going to win CL anyhow.
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Not really. PSV ran them to pretty much the final week. And now Ajax have lost key players in Mazraoui, Gravenberch and Martinez, and not to mention one of their best managers in years. I wouldn't say they're certs to win the Eredivisie this season by any stretch.
 
The Brown Bull said:
What a load of brown smelly stuff.
The Dutch league is small potatoes these days. Only slightly ahead of Scotland. Players who look great there turn out to be small fry in the Prem. Depay. DvB are just 2 I could mention.
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And yet our club has spent the last 3 months chasing a player formerly of that league and our fellow caf muppet created a tread with 1,600 plus page spunking themselves over a guy who came from that "small potatoes league"
 
GledTheRed said:
Ajax would struggle for top 6 in England, our worst position in years.
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If Ajax were to play in the EPL instead of €10m the club would be getting a minimum of £96.5m in tv rights a year and all other sources of income like sponsorship deals would skyrocket as well due to far greater global reach. Counting Dutch fans alone (right now without EPL appeal) it would be the 8th biggest club in the UK. Ajax has often punched far above it's weight against clubs with much more money. The only thing holding the club back is the league.

Comparing Ajax with Eredivisie level funding playing in the EPL is nonsense, United would be relegation bait too if they had to play in the EPL with €10m in tv revenue a year instead of £148m.
 
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Mike1976 said:
If Ajax were to play in the EPL instead of €10m the club would be getting a minimum of £96.5m in tv rights a year and all other sources of income like sponsorship deals would skyrocket as well due to far greater global reach. Counting Dutch fans alone (right now without EPL appeal) it would be the 8th biggest club in the UK. Ajax has often punched far above it's weight against clubs with much more money. The only thing holding the club back is the league.

Comparing Ajax with Eredivisie level funding playing in the EPL is nonsense, United would be relegation bait too if they had to play in the EPL with €10m in tv revenue a year instead of £148m.
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Ignore the ignorance in here.

The way Ajax is run if Ajax had prem money they'd be at minimum in the fight for top 4. People seem to be forgetting that Ajax have 5 UCL titles, more than we do.
 
RedRonaldo said:
80m is totally not worth it. He is at best 50m.
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Price could be negotiable if player wants to leave and there was positive noise he would love to work again with Erik.

Just not sure if two weeks is enough, perhaps enough on paper but Murtough works in mysterious ways, especially since August.
 
RedRonaldo said:
80m is totally not worth it. He is at best 50m.
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Antony is more special talent than Martinez. When we paid £50+mil for Martinez from the same club, they smell the desperation. No way they're selling Antony less or for similar fee
 
ti vu said:
Antony is more special talent than Martinez. When we paid £50+mil for Martinez from the same club, they smell the desperation. No way they're selling Antony less or for similar fee
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Martinez was their player of season, Anthony wasn’t even their best winger.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Martinez was their player of season, Anthony wasn’t even their best winger.
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Who is their best best winger? Don't tell me you would say Tadic who plays very central and roam around for anyone watch their games more than a dozen time who not looking some paper. He may be more productive but no one watch Ajax game would come to that conclusion than being some weirdo who only look at goal and assist stats. That alone would discredit any further discussion because it's clearly not based on good faith

In house player of the season means little. It's mostly a popularity contest. Just like how DDG won multiple of our version PoTY, it often occured in our worse years, where players with better quality was held back by issues in the squad. Flaw DDG flaw was ignored, and glorified for wrong reason while players around him suffered because they have partly played to cover for his flaw. Similar can be said about Martinezth Ajax left side is visibly weaker defensively as well as ball carrying and penetration

In-house PoTY is one of the most pointless and flattering to deceive award there is. There is a lot debate of something like Balon d'Or but at least, you must be universal at top level to be in contention.
 
ti vu said:
Who is their best best winger? Don't tell me you would say Tadic who plays very central and roam around for anyone watch their games more than a dozen time who not looking some paper. He may be more productive but no one watch Ajax game would come to that conclusion than being some weirdo who only look at goal and assist stats. That alone would discredit any further discussion because it's clearly not based on good faith

In house player of the season means little. It's mostly a popularity contest. Just like how DDG won multiple of our version PoTY, it often occured in our worse years, where players with better quality was held back by issues in the squad. Flaw DDG flaw was ignored, and glorified for wrong reason while players around him suffered because they have partly played to cover for his flaw. Similar can be said about Martinezth Ajax left side is visibly weaker defensively as well as ball carrying and penetration

In-house PoTY is one of the most pointless and flattering to deceive award there is. There is a lot debate of something like Balon d'Or but at least, you must be universal at top level to be in contention.
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Tadic does play in winger role, even he likes to roam around. And even we don’t count his far superior numbers, he was on 7.8 avg rating last season, Antony was on 7.47, still quite a gap there in terms of performance. Point is. Antony wasn’t Ajax best attacker, not was he one of best attacker in Dutch league. Martinez is clearly Ajax best defensive player, and best defender in Dutch league.

Also, don’t tell me Antony doesn’t shot or wasn’t in dangerous area to shoot hence his far lower numbers. He has far more shots on goals than Tadic (3.7 vs 2.2) last season. He is simply far more wasteful and weaker in finishing than anyone else. Also, Tadic creates far far more than Antony too (4.1 vs 1.6 key pass).
 
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RedRonaldo said:
Tadic does play in winger role, even he likes to roam around. And even we don’t count his far superior numbers, he was on 7.8 avg rating last season, Antony was on 7.47, still quite a gap there in terms of performance. Point is. Antony wasn’t Ajax best attacker, not was he one of best attacker in Dutch league. Martinez is clearly Ajax best defensive player, and best defender in Dutch league.

Also, don’t tell me Antony doesn’t shot or wasn’t in dangerous area to shoot hence his far lower numbers. He has far more shots on goals than Tadic (3.7 vs 2.2) last season. He is simply far more wasteful and weaker in finishing than anyone else. Also, Tadic creates far far more than Antony too (4.1 vs 1.6 key pass).
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Just as I suspected. You only read some random stats and come to conclusion without context.

Antony's injury toward the end of last season, and Ajax attack visibly sufferred. They had been trying to buy Bergwjin for their left wing and swap wing tactic with Antony since at least winter window. Now Bergwjin joined he slotted right in that left wing position. Ajax clearly identified their left winger as an issue, and paying record fee for Bergwjin who struggled for gametime at Tottenham showed just how much they trust him over continuing with Tadic as "false winger". Saying Tadic as winger is like saying Mata is a winger (Mata used to play every similar role under LVG). Only hold with in certain phase of play, then overall that flank noticeably less involved.

If you're so obsessed with mere stats, it's strange you don't see strange thing with Tadic long pass rate vs Antony, and their passing completion. The context is very telling. Antony was tasked with build up with deeper in his flank, while Tadic is more cherry on the cake type.

Gakpo is Eredivise PoTY. If going by your logic, why is he priced at lower fee than Martinez? Bergwjin is higher rated in Netherland NT. They're utilized in pretty much the same position/role. Bergwjin can pretty prove to be better player, yet Bergwjin may not outshine someone like Antony.
 
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So we’ve had money all along and are now bidding 80m…Ajax would have snatched our hand off for 80m and the start of June.

This club.
 
Suv666 said:
Don't whats crazier, Utd bidding 80 or Ajax rejecting it.
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They will probably get a similar bid next year. Maybe not as high but close. But what they can't do is to replace their best attacker over the next 2 weeks. So it is not that crazy I would say.
 
Should go and get Pulisic/Ziyech on loan in wide area then next week have one last massive push for De Jong.
 
gica_7 said:
They will probably get a similar bid next year. Maybe not as high but close. But what they can't do is to replace their best attacker over the next 2 weeks. So it is not that crazy I would say.
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Unless he has an insane season no one's even going close to that fee. That's De Jong and De Ligt money, they had a crazy good season and even then most called the fee crazy and rightly so.

No one's paying more than 50-60 for Antony
 
Suv666 said:
Unless he has an insane season no one's even going close to that fee. That's De Jong and De Ligt money, they had a crazy good season and even then most called the fee crazy and rightly so.

No one's paying more than 50-60 for Antony
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No I understand your reasoning but losing Antony might be costlier for Ajax at this stage of the window. He is basically their main attacker. If they can't replace him, that might mean a bad season and the cost of that might be higher. So it is logical for them to ask for a premium, especially at this time.
 
gica_7 said:
No I understand your reasoning but losing Antony might be costlier for Ajax at this stage of the window. He is basically their main attacker. If they can't replace him, that might mean a bad season and the cost of that might be higher. So it is logical for them to ask for a premium, especially at this time.
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Yea that's fair enough.

They'll be losing 20-30 million minimum and if he has a mediocre season then maybe more.

I'm not sure if its worth it because they'll be walking the league with or without Antony.
 
Suv666 said:
Yea that's fair enough.

They'll be losing 20-30 million minimum and if he has a mediocre season then maybe more.

I'm not sure if its worth it because they'll be walking the league with or without Antony.
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They're not walking the league without Antony (even with him). Last season showed. Ajax is the no.1 favorite, but they're not that far ahead against PSV.

Very unlike they would lose 20mil for him at current level. They made a good profit for Haller despite he's not any different for all we know. Prolific scorer but average everything else. Antony is Brazil NT. He's almost indistinguishable from level like Raphinha Richarlison.
 
Francisco Conceição is already Ajax's Antony replacement, they just want as much as possible for him.
 
If ETH really believes Antony is a must then offer an exchange with either Amad or Pellistri (maybe with a buy back clause).

Both of them would most likely be able to succeed in the Dutch league.
 
JuriM said:
Francisco Conceição is already Ajax's Antony replacement, they just want as much as possible for him.
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If they wanted as much as possible they should've accepted the last offer. Not even united are daft enough to go higher
 
JuriM said:
Francisco Conceição is already Ajax's Antony replacement, they just want as much as possible for him.
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100% but I fancy he'll need a year and Ajax probably want to give him a season before taking the reins on the RW. Antony leaves next summer I'm sure of that.
 
Acoording to very reliable Dutch source Voetbal International Ajax refures an 80 million euro offer...

https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/ajax-wijst-megabod-op-antony-af

I wonder how Antony will react to this.. Even though I would really really really prefer Antony to stay with us another year, 80 million euro's for me sounds like an offer you cant refuse... But if Antony has peace with Ajax refusing the offter and won't go into meltdown against the club for denying him this opportunity for this amount, then Im very happy Ajax refused.. Id rather sell him for less after another year at Ajax, though I doubt his value will decrease with another Champions League season and World Cup coming up..
 
80M euros rejected. That's just stupid. They rely on being a stepping stone for foreign talents and turn down 80M euros? That might come back and bite them.

BrilliantOrange said:
Acoording to very reliable Dutch source Voetbal International Ajax refures an 80 million euro offer...



https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/ajax-wijst-megabod-op-antony-af



I wonder how Antony will react to this.. Even though I would really really really prefer Antony to stay with us another year, 80 million euro's for me sounds like an offer you cant refuse... But if Antony has peace with Ajax refusing the offter and won't go into meltdown against the club for denying him this opportunity for this amount, then Im very happy Ajax refused.. Id rather sell him for less after another year at Ajax, though I doubt his value will decrease with another Champions League season and World Cup coming up..
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It won't go past 80M euros that is for sure. Their CL campaign won't be anywhere near as successful and while Brazil might do well, he's still playing in the Eredivisie. That we even offered that much is borderline insane. We'll get Gapko for 30-40.
 
Laurencio said:
80M euros rejected. That's just stupid. They rely on being a stepping stone for foreign talents and turn down 80M euros? That might come back and bite them.
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Could be indeed... It really depends on how Antony reacts to this..

Ajax usually says to players: We realize we are a stepping stone, and we will think with you when a top club comes, but at the same time we dont want you to leave before you flourish with Ajax and we have enjoyed you enough..

Its a grey area here.. On the one hand Antony has been obviously great with Ajax, doing very well in the Champions League and becoming a starter for Brazil recently.. On the other hand Ajax last CL run was underwhelming being thrown out against Benfica and Antony his stats in the Eredivisie werent those of an established attacker.. (not that that says everything, but the argument could be made..
 
No way we are even considering paying Ajax 80m+ for Antony. I would not value him higher then 55m, and that is only because we are in a shitty situation.
 
BrilliantOrange said:
Acoording to very reliable Dutch source Voetbal International Ajax refures an 80 million euro offer...

https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/ajax-wijst-megabod-op-antony-af

I wonder how Antony will react to this.. Even though I would really really really prefer Antony to stay with us another year, 80 million euro's for me sounds like an offer you cant refuse... But if Antony has peace with Ajax refusing the offter and won't go into meltdown against the club for denying him this opportunity for this amount, then Im very happy Ajax refused.. Id rather sell him for less after another year at Ajax, though I doubt his value will decrease with another Champions League season and World Cup coming up..
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From his comments after the last game, he seemed happy being in Amsterdam but he also did not rule out a move, saying his agent can handle that. I'd guess he's fine either way and probably doesn't want too much change in a world cup year.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
From his comments after the last game, he seemed happy being in Amsterdam but he also did not rule out a move, saying his agent can handle that. I'd guess he's fine either way and probably doesn't want too much change in a world cup year.
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True, he did sound like that.. But that can obviously change quickly when there is an actual offer on the table..
 
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