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We would be short on players if he was loaned out, so this definitely garbage rumor.
Keep hearing this and we had an unprecedented injury crisis last year - Pellistri was our 4th winger, how much game time did he get? Truth is our wingers stay fairly fit.We would be short on players if he was loaned out, so this definitely garbage rumor.
Manchester United were tracking Antony before we ever came close to hiring Ten Hag. And it has been revealed that signing Antony, in that fashion, at that price, was a panic move from the club because they thought they were brining Greenwood back into the mix and at the last second couldn't because of fan pressure.
Even if Antony was solely Ten Hag's choice, he was available for around 50 mil in June and only cost 85 mil because it was the end of Aug and Ajax had already sold off that entire winning team. Bad negotiating by Murtough isn't Ten Hag's fault.
I know Antony's rep is at an all time low, but when he was out and Pellistri got starts, there was nothing there. Not much more with Antony in all honesty, but I rate him slightly higher than PellistriYes I understand there were no buyers for Antony at any price, but what a shame we couldn’t have given away Antony on a free transfer and kept Pellistri.
And we ended up running Garnacho into the ground.Keep hearing this and we had an unprecedented injury crisis last year - Pellistri was our 4th winger, how much game time did he get? Truth is our wingers stay fairly fit.
No he isn’t. I don’t believe that for a second.
How do you know that?
He was easily a 50-60 million talent. Similar to what Richarlison and Raphinha went. We still overspent and everyone knew that at the time, but no need to exaggerate.
Well, from his perspective, last season was horrible, and sitting on the bench all year won't help rebuild his reputation. I don't think he wants to leave, but if the message from ETH is that he's behind Amad and Garna, then yeah he can't afford to stay.
I know Antony's rep is at an all time low, but when he was out and Pellistri got starts, there was nothing there. Not much more with Antony in all honesty, but I rate him slightly higher than Pellistri
To be fair it worked pretty well vs Newport and Liverpool in the cup this same year, so a million years may be pushing it.A reasonable difference of opinion. But I saw more potential in Pellistri than in Antony. But Antony does have the edge in athleticism and he’s definitely a better option in defending a late, but not in a million years in chasing a match winner.
A reasonable difference of opinion. But I saw more potential in Pellistri than in Antony. But Antony does have the edge in athleticism and he’s definitely a better option in defending a late, but not in a million years in chasing a match winner.
No he isn’t. I don’t believe that for a second.
Why would ETH push for us to sign Antony for 50 million in the first place though? The fact he wanted to sign him at all signals he's really not a very good judge of talent or judge of how to build an elite team at an elite club.Manchester United were tracking Antony before we ever came close to hiring Ten Hag. And it has been revealed that signing Antony, in that fashion, at that price, was a panic move from the club because they thought they were brining Greenwood back into the mix and at the last second couldn't because of fan pressure.
Even if Antony was solely Ten Hag's choice, he was available for around 50 mil in June and only cost 85 mil because it was the end of Aug and Ajax had already sold off that entire winning team. Bad negotiating by Murtough isn't Ten Hag's fault.
Definition of a luxury signing. Washed out already. Time for a loan somewhere to try and recoup some money.
It is not the manager's job to ascertain the market value of a player. That was John Murtough's job. And he was very bad at it.At any moment ETH could also have said "80 million? We best leave it and find me another player instead, he's not that good".
It is not the manager's job to ascertain the market value of a player. That was John Murtough's job. And he was very bad at it.
Nevertheless, it would be slightly amusing if Ineos have since restructured the roles above the manager and then just leave it up to him to decide if the selling club's asking price is too high.
Manchester United were tracking Antony before we ever came close to hiring Ten Hag. And it has been revealed that signing Antony, in that fashion, at that price, was a panic move from the club because they thought they were brining Greenwood back into the mix and at the last second couldn't because of fan pressure.
Even if Antony was solely Ten Hag's choice, he was available for around 50 mil in June and only cost 85 mil because it was the end of Aug and Ajax had already sold off that entire winning team. Bad negotiating by Murtough isn't Ten Hag's fault.
Can we keep the same energy for all our players? Pellestri is garbage and that doesn’t change because he’s youngish.A reasonable difference of opinion. But I saw more potential in Pellistri than in Antony. But Antony does have the edge in athleticism and he’s definitely a better option in defending a late, but not in a million years in chasing a match winner.
I must have missed the part when he was luxury, just looks like a shit signing all round to me.Definition of a luxury signing. Washed out already. Time for a loan somewhere to try and recoup some money.
We have so many games this season I can see him playing a fair few. No way should he leave. Its not like we have loads in the youth teams banging on the door either
Luxuries are non-essential but enjoyable. He has brought mostly misery at a high cost, akin to a parasite or tumour.Definition of a luxury signing. Washed out already. Time for a loan somewhere to try and recoup some money.
Kind of, but not the kind he was talking of. Williams is the closest, but he is quite some distance away from Antony still.We kind of do actually, they're just perhaps a year or two too young to be ready to challenge, similarly to e.g. Amass at full back. It's not lack of talent for the likes of Williams, Lacey and Mantato, just either injuries or they still have developing to do before they're ready to play regularly.
He's definitely going to play a lot. Only 3 wingers above him and even if they do stay fit throughout the season, we'll need to rest them every now and then given how we're playing 3 games a week from now onwards.He’s not going to play a lot so I would be inclined to let him leave. Does leave us a bit short in terms of numbers but he doesn’t add much quality.
If we want to get rid of him before summer 2027 then he is going to have to go out on loan and try to resurrect his career somewhere.
United tracks a lot of players, doesn't mean we want to sign them all.Manchester United were tracking Antony before we ever came close to hiring Ten Hag. And it has been revealed that signing Antony, in that fashion, at that price, was a panic move from the club because they thought they were brining Greenwood back into the mix and at the last second couldn't because of fan pressure.
Even if Antony was solely Ten Hag's choice, he was available for around 50 mil in June and only cost 85 mil because it was the end of Aug and Ajax had already sold off that entire winning team. Bad negotiating by Murtough isn't Ten Hag's fault.
Why does it have to be ‘damage’?I used to think Ole did the most damage to United since Fergie left, but EtH has taken on the mantle.
I think we need to stop calling Garnacho inconsistent. At least at club level, he seems to have a goal involvement almost every game and the next closest attacker we have in terms of that kind of impact is Bruno. He should be the second name on the team sheet every game.Very dubious that we would loan him out at this point but if we did do we feel comfortable with the wide options we have?
Unless we have a standout youth player who can take a role as 4th choice winger, I really don't think we have the depth to make it happen. One or two injuries and we'd be screwed.
- Rashford - Been very poor for 18 months
- Garnacho - Huge potential but young and still pretty inconsistent
- Amad - Also huge potential but still pretty unproven at the highest level
- Mount - Can play wide but always injured
- Bruno - Has played there a few times but he is much less effective
Garnacho is inconsistent? Really? in every match he pretty much always seems to make something happen. He should have had two goals already this season and that's with him coming off the bench.Very dubious that we would loan him out at this point but if we did do we feel comfortable with the wide options we have?
Unless we have a standout youth player who can take a role as 4th choice winger, I really don't think we have the depth to make it happen. One or two injuries and we'd be screwed.
- Rashford - Been very poor for 18 months
- Garnacho - Huge potential but young and still pretty inconsistent
- Amad - Also huge potential but still pretty unproven at the highest level
- Mount - Can play wide but always injured
- Bruno - Has played there a few times but he is much less effective
Because they (Ole & EtH) bought the worst players that have been/will be difficult to offload, and both managers were hired at key stages of our decline. Of course, Woodward & co are the biggest culprits.Why does it have to be ‘damage’?
Different managers have different ideas that won’t always follow on from their predecessor but all managers are working in the best interests of the club and specifically the teams success. They are all trying to win in the best way they know otherwise hey ultimately will love their job.
Hopefully with the new structure in place there will be more continuity from one hire to the next, and a more settled direction with the playing squad so we don’t need huge rebuilds and fire sales every summer, but I don’t understand the idea that anything before that since sir Alex has been ‘damage’.
Let’s be honest, the only people who have actively damaged the club are the Glazers and their stooge Woodward.
Did you watch Antony at Ajax before he came to United? I did and he was exciting and skillful and personally I wanted us to sign him long before Ten Hag was ever linked to United. Don't forget Liverpool and Arsenal were also heavily linked with the player. 40% of transfers flop, it happens, sometimes it's more predictable, others it isn't. He clearly hasn't adapted to the league or country, he is devoid of confidence because we don't see any flare, the one time he tried some flare the media, including all our ex players, destroyed him afterwards. And he does seem like a sensitive guy. On top of that he had these allegations thrown at him last year. At this point I don't see him coming good at United, but there is definitely a player there, go watch his Ajax highlights.Why would ETH push for us to sign Antony for 50 million in the first place though? The fact he wanted to sign him at all signals he's really not a very good judge of talent or judge of how to build an elite team at an elite club.
At any moment ETH could also have said "80 million? We best leave it and find me another player instead, he's not that good".
Ofcourse the club want to put it that way they were interested in Antony before ETH. They won't want to embarrass the incumbent manager like that. Too much of a coincidence to believe though.
United tracks a lot of players, doesn't mean we want to sign them all.
I agree it's not all EtH's fault but everyone who approved this deal should be sacked if they haven't already left. Having worked with him closely, it's mental that EtH thought he was even good enough for us. As others have pointed out, surely he was made aware that the price was going to be £80m or so.
Given his output, i.e., just about good enough to be a sub, I wouldn't have paid more than £20m for him at the time, let alone £50m.
I used to think Ole did the most damage to United since Fergie left, but EtH has taken on the mantle.
Did you watch Antony at Ajax before he came to United? I did and he was exciting and skillful and personally I wanted us to sign him long before Ten Hag was ever linked to United. Don't forget Liverpool and Arsenal were also heavily linked with the player. 40% of transfers flop, it happens, sometimes it's more predictable, others it isn't. He clearly hasn't adapted to the league or country, he is devoid of confidence because we don't see any flare, the one time he tried some flare the media, including all our ex players, destroyed him afterwards. And he does seem like a sensitive guy. On top of that he had these allegations thrown at him last year. At this point I don't see him coming good at United, but there is definitely a player there, go watch his Ajax highlights.
Can we keep the same energy for all our players? Pellestri is garbage and that doesn’t change because he’s youngish.
Your analogy makes little sense, you're comparing a $300 steak v an $80m flop!Did you watch Antony at Ajax before he came to United? I did and he was exciting and skillful and personally I wanted us to sign him long before Ten Hag was ever linked to United. Don't forget Liverpool and Arsenal were also heavily linked with the player. 40% of transfers flop, it happens, sometimes it's more predictable, others it isn't. He clearly hasn't adapted to the league or country, he is devoid of confidence because we don't see any flare, the one time he tried some flare the media, including all our ex players, destroyed him afterwards. And he does seem like a sensitive guy. On top of that he had these allegations thrown at him last year. At this point I don't see him coming good at United, but there is definitely a player there, go watch his Ajax highlights.
I am a human who was alive during that timeframe, I personally liked the player, I am a casual Ajax fan as well, I watched him, liked him and was very aware from the even before Jan his name was being linked with United. It's not just PR, I remember this reality.
On my birthday this year I wanted a steak diner, my wife could have taken me to the local place for a steak that cost $50, but she took me downtown to a fancy place where the steak was $300. Now it was great and I appreciated it, but I asked for a steak, a steak costs $50 normally, but if someone who receives the request takes it upon themselves to think outside the box, that's on them, not the person who made the original request. Was Ten Hag holding them hostage? The Glazers are cheap as hell and take forever to make a decision, do people think Ten Hag called them up and started demanding they fork over as much money as possible? No, he said I want this player, and those two idiots Murtough and Arnold made dumb decisions, and they have both been fired for dumb decisions like that while Ten Hag has been retained because he wasn't responsible. Any manager is going to ask for as much as they can get, it's up to the decision makers at the club to make the right decisions.
No, of course not. Pellestri played 160 minutes of football. Antony has 1000+ minutes in each of his two seasons. It's incredibly silly to treat each player the same.Can we keep the same energy for all our players? Pellestri is garbage and that doesn’t change because he’s youngish.