[Sir Erik ten Hag]

Some players turned it around when I talked shit about them so... Antony is just Obertan with more acnes.

Antony is not fit enough to tie Valencia's shoelace.

 

[Borys]

ETH didnt negotiate the deal himself. Everyone knows Manchester United did spend too much on Antony but thats not ETH his fault. The negotiating team messed that one up.

If I recall correctly, we had an offer turned down for half that price early in the window. Someone said that's too much money for him/we can't afford him and didn't negotiate further.
Then after a disaster of the start we went full panick mode and bought him for 100m.

It's not negotiation team. If ETH hadn't pushed so hard for Antony & maybe had other alternatives lined up, we wouldn't be here.

It's shocking that Erik worked with this guy closely for the last 2 years and he thought Antony is worth anything near that price tag.

 

[Bebestation]

I always backed him but i think its better we recoup as much of our transfer fee as possible this window, that early miss was just too bad. After playing the same shot every season, he couldnt do it when needed.

 

[Borys]

United have no need for a right sided attacker of Antony's quality. Sancho, Amad, Pellistri or Elanga could have produced similar performances. Elanga has 3 goals and 3 assists in 1783 PL mins for United. Antony 4 goals + 1 assist in 1561 PL mins. Elanga's xG90 + xA90 is even slightly better than Antony's (according to understat)

The price only becomes a factor if Antony is a class above our alternative options; clearly he isn't.

Ten Hag chose Antony. Ten Hag continues to select him.

Long time ago I stopped looking at Antony as an attacker and comparing his stats to other alternatives. He's a wide midfielder and a ball progressor, reliable on the ball but not threatening at all. Whether this kind of player is worth 100m, you tell me.

For me he is just a 30m squad player (that was his transfermarkt value when we got him). He's not a first team attacker and I've made myself very clear from the start that I don't think he has (any) tools to become one in the future.

Next season maybe Amad can take this RW position. Until then I hope to see more of Bruno on the right.

 

[Kostov]

100m on this guy is absolute bonkers. I mean between this guy and Sancho we have 0.75 capable PL right winger. We could have got Willian for free and be better of.

 

[tenpoless]

100m on this guy is absolute bonkers. I mean between this guy and Sancho we have 0.75 capable PL right winger. We could have got Willian for free and be better of.

Willian, Perisic, Gaitan... so many lost opportunities.

 

[Oranges038]

He's playing with 2 right backs who over nothing in the way of support or overlapping runs. Often he is left out numbered or without options and space because of it. Need 2 new right backs that can compliment him going forward to create options and space.

I'm willing to give him more time. Think he's finding out that he's got less space and PL players are much faster and harder to run at that those in the Dutch league. Needs to up his game and decision making, but the lack of support from full back and lack of a decent striker in the middle isn't helping.

 

[BorisManUtd]

I imagine oppo players and fans hate him but I loved to see that passion from him last night, even though he could've got himself sent off.

 

[Brophs]

I think he’ll be a lot better after having the summer break.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I have more confidence him wanging it in from 20 yards out then on any one vs. one.

Feel like he should have about 15 goals this season with the chances he's had.

 

[Mike Smalling]

The one thing that gives me a bit of hope with Antony is that he clearly has the technical ability and a fighting spirit. What he lacks is decision making at times, and speed in longer sprints. The first can be improved through coaching and maturity. Young players that are new in the league do have ups and downs in performance. It's not that long ago he bagged a goal and an assist in a game, and people were a lot more positive.

Also, he will always have more opportunities to impact the game, when we have most of the possession. He is not like Rashford that can chase down a long pass and make something happen - he doesn't have the pace. But when we dominate possession he can get involved in combinations around the edge of the box.

I'm not ready to write him off yet.

 

[podurban2]

Thought he made good runs last night, should have scored the first shot though. He was never worth the sum we payed but people are overreacting a bit. It's his first season, I think he's improving.

 

[Massive Spanner]

A disappointing first season but I'm confident he'll be a good player for us. Never a 100m player, but them's the times we live in.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Im confused, when did he cost 100 million?

 

[zaafi]

A disappointing first season but I'm confident he'll be a good player for us. Never a 100m player, but them's the times we live in.

Well, Gakpo cost Liverpool £200m so there's that.

 

[Bondi77]

If we had another player in that position we would have had at least two goals in the first half.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Im confused, when did he cost 100 million?

He cost 95m euros, it's not that disingenuous for people to say 100m.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Id much rather a player with some balls and fight, even if it makes him a bit of a twat rather than a mewling kitten like Sancho. The opposition need to know they are in for it and not going to push us around, the more characters like him the better. Will he ever be a world class superstar? Nope, can he be a perfectly useful option for us and get better than he is now? absolutely.

 

[Solius]

He cost 95m euros, it's not that disingenuous for people to say 100m.

Yeah but that equates to £83m. So at a glance, 100m is going to register to some as £100m and won't help the way he's perceived.

He cost us 2 Trillion in Vietnamese Dong.

 

[Drizzle]

I have more confidence him wanging it in from 20 yards out then on any one vs. one.

Feel like he should have about 15 goals this season with the chances he's had.

He's scored 4 league goals from 5.4xg. Not disastrous, but you'd hope an £84m forward would slightly outscore xg. More importantly, I don't think he actually is getting as many chances as he should. He's simply not a direct threat to opposition defences. And his assist numbers are bad.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Yeah but that equates to £83m. So at a glance, 100m is going to register to some as £100m and won't help the way he's perceived.

He cost us 2 Trillion in Vietnamese Dong.

I must admit I've become accustomed to Euros when it comes to transfers now.

Pounds are so 2010s.

 

[UpWithRivers]

We need to stop having this Jam tomorrow attitude. He needs more time. Next year. Just needs a better RB. Just needs a pre-season. And on and on. If he comes good in 2/3 years that's great but we need him now. We should buy a RW - Maddison/Dembele whoever and Antony should be back up. He's not ready by a fkn mile and we cant just keep carrying players waiting for them to come good. We arnt getting closer to City or going deep into the Champs league with a RW in training. And the other problem with him is together with Rashford whoever we get as a striker is fkd.

 

[Berbasbullet]

He cost 95m euros, it's not that disingenuous for people to say 100m.

When did we take up the euro?

Edit: can see you've had this discussion, ignore me.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Yeah but that equates to £83m. So at a glance, 100m is going to register to some as £100m and won't help the way he's perceived.

He cost us 2 Trillion in Vietnamese Dong.

Thats how I like to look at my salary, makes me feel much better about it.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

He's scored 4 league goals from 5.4xg. Not disastrous, but you'd hope an £84m forward would slightly outscore xg. More importantly, I don't think he actually is getting as many chances as he should. He's simply not a direct threat to opposition defences. And his assist numbers are bad.

I feel like since his initial 3 in 3 burst - he just misses any one vs. one he gets and is more likely to wang it in from 20 yards then he is when he's through on goal.

 

[Solius]

I'm happy to leave it til he's had a bit of a second season before judging. I know, mental.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

I must admit I've become accustomed to Euros when it comes to transfers now.

Pounds are so 2010s.

Man United are an English club, England uses £ as the currency, so when talking about Man United transfers, why would we use €?

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Man United are an English club, England uses £ as the currency, so when talking about Man United transfers, why would we use €?

Literally every big transfer is reported in Euros, especially when said player comes in from a European counterpart.

The person who referred to 100m maybe be a user of Euros.

It's not that deep.

 

[spiriticon]

Everytime you see 100m it's probably Euros.

Still, 83m pounds is wild for one foot which admittedly isn't that special. Do we get a partial refund if we send the other foot back to Ajax?

 

[Its all gone Shane Long]

Seems it’s 50/50 with him from a lot of people on here. I’m going to give him one more season, hopefully he is working on the right foot of his and learning to actually pass the ball on quick counters rather than stopping and holding. His biggest problem is that in my mind. Quicker reactions and a better right foot and we have ourselves a great player in the making.

 

[El Jefe]

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I feel like since his initial 3 in 3 burst - he just misses any one vs. one he gets and is more likely to wang it in from 20 yards then he is when he's through on goal.

Its not that he misses its that he's as predictable as it gets so the goalies now save those. The two goals he scored vs Arsenal and Everton, he's been in those positions countless times since but the gks all know where to dive now. The Arsenal especially is funny looking back at it, Ramsdale actually dives towards the near post, that is something no goalie in the PL will do today.

His outside the box shots are low percentage too. He has scored only one in the PL.

 

[Member 105568]

Id much rather a player with some balls and fight, even if it makes him a bit of a twat rather than a mewling kitten like Sancho. The opposition need to know they are in for it and not going to push us around, the more characters like him the better. Will he ever be a world class superstar? Nope, can he be a perfectly useful option for us and get better than he is now? absolutely.

That was good, when he stood up to Dunk. He’s costing you, missing those chances last night, but I think there’s a good player in there and he’ll look better if ETH can get a better RB, CF, and CM. He’s not worth 85 million, but that’s hardly his fault, and I haven’t seen him wilting over the price tag on his back. That’s not to say he doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, but, like you say, he’s nothing like Sancho.

 

[BerryBerryShrew]

There was one instance in the first half that sums him up. We're in an attacking transition and he had a great opportunity to go down the outside, but he tries to cut in. He slowed the play down, passed to Bruno, and ruined the attack. He does the same thing every game.

That was the counter attack where Rashford played him in and he had acres of space to get a clean strike away with his right foot? Yeah, that was infuriating. Mitoma was being shown the outside by AWB and he used his weaker foot without hesitation. Rashford was shown his left in the first half so he got a good near post strike away that Steele did well to save. Other players have enough bottle to use their weaker foot, so should he.

In his head he probably thinks this makes him a badass and will be beloved by the fans for shit like this.

Probably knows about Cantona's kung-fu kick and his place in the United pantheon of greatness and thinks cause/effect. Unfortunately, he's overlooking the fact that Eric was a masterful player that dragged us to titles. That little bit. If Anto can do that, then we can forgive his petulance.

The only positive so far is Amad must be loving that he has the right wing wrapped up with a bow for him next season

I doubt it. It's one thing showing an £80m signing the bench when he wasn't your player, but I get the impression that EtH will be stubborn over Anto considering he wanted him. He's our starting RW next season, regardless of the alternatives available.

Also, he will always have more opportunities to impact the game, when we have most of the possession. He is not like Rashford that can chase down a long pass and make something happen - he doesn't have the pace. But when we dominate possession he can get involved in combinations around the edge of the box.

I'm not ready to write him off yet.

Sancho already does that better than most PL attackers and everyone agrees that he needs to up his level so I doubt it will be enough for Anto.

 

[SteveCoppellFan]

Quite happy to give him another season, but so far i've seen nothing to think he will succeed at United.

His attitude sucks, I'm quite surprised the manager has not stamped on this already tbh.

 

[joedirt87]

Next time he has an outburst like that ETH needs to bench his ass for a month. It cost us at Crystal Palace, could have gotten sent off last night.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

Quite happy to give him another season, but so far i've seen nothing to think he will succeed at United.

His attitude sucks, I'm quite surprised the manager has not stamped on this already tbh.

Yeah same here, he deserves to get some time but I have seen very little so far which makes me confident he is a top class winger. The only fact that gives me hope is that ten Hag knows him and wanted him so he definitely has a vision what he can contribute.

 

[Red Star One]

Man United are an English club, England uses £ as the currency, so when talking about Man United transfers, why would we use €?

There are more countries with euros than pounds, the vast majority of stats websites (like Transfermarkt) use euros to quote player value, the transfer in question was from the Netherlands, so I am pretty positive that the Dutch quoted their price for Antony in € and didn't care much about the EUR/GBP exchange rate there. For England-England transfers it makes more sense to quote the price in pounds, for Europe-to-England transfers just give the euros figure the selling party received.

 

[Borys]

I'm happy to leave it til he's had a bit of a second season before judging. I know, mental.

I find that a bit weird. You have no opinion of him after one full season here? Just curious.


What do you think will change in a year? He's not exactly close to being an effective winger for us.

We need to stop having this Jam tomorrow attitude. He needs more time. Next year. Just needs a better RB. Just needs a pre-season. And on and on. If he comes good in 2/3 years that's great but we need him now. We should buy a RW - Maddison/Dembele whoever and Antony should be back up. He's not ready by a fkn mile and we cant just keep carrying players waiting for them to come good. We arnt getting closer to City or going deep into the Champs league with a RW in training. And the other problem with him is together with Rashford whoever we get as a striker is fkd.

The bolded part is my favourite. Maybe we should've gone big money for a righback first and play Sancho / Elanga / Bruno on RW before paying 100m for a winger that needs a better fullback to shine?
Not that I belive this will help him much. The team will benefit from it but it doesn't really make Antony more threatening, does it?

 

[Solius]

I find that a bit weird. You have no opinion of him after one full season here? Just curious.


What do you think will change in a year? He's not exactly close to being an effective winger for us.



The bolded part is my favourite. Maybe we should've gone big money for a righback first and play Sancho / Elanga / Bruno on RW before paying 100m for a winger that needs a better fullback to shine?
Not that I belive this will help him much. The team will benefit from it but it doesn't really make Antony more threatening, does it?

I do. I think he's been mostly good, offers us good ball progression and excellent work-rate but needs to work on his decision making and shot choice. If he doesn't improve on that next season it will be cause for concern but I prefer to give players time to settle.

 

[Woziak]

Seems it’s 50/50 with him from a lot of people on here. I’m going to give him one more season, hopefully he is working on the right foot of his and learning to actually pass the ball on quick counters rather than stopping and holding. His biggest problem is that in my mind. Quicker reactions and a better right foot and we have ourselves a great player in the making.

He’s got 4 goals and 1 assist in 21 PL appearances so 1 in 5 Goal involments in PL, Gatkpo 6 goals and 2 assists in 17 appearances and Nuno 9 goals and 3 assists in 27 PL games.

We should have bought Gatkpo and Antony for the price of Nuno not let Liverpool clearly get the two better options for putting the ball in the net and paid double his actual worth, this is on ETH and we need a genuine alternative option there, Sancho or Bruno should start right wing next game and Antony start from the bench, he needs to understand that his stats need to be 1 in 2 minimum goal involvements for an £80m player so he’s probably 4 goals and 2/3 assists short and that’s probably another 4 points right there for the team.