3 goals and 0 assists in the league. 0 goals since early October, a drought which has spanned 14 games. Anyone pretending he isn't a monumental flop needs to wake up and smell the coffee, incredibly average player
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So you have washed hands of him then
Yeah we need to see much more of that
Who is you? Clearly many can’t based on the one note pile on.
This is just a piss poor excuse for his lack of output, there are plenty of wide players in this league who work hard and produce goals and assists (saka and martinelli for example). The comparison to kanchelskis also makes zero sense to anyone that watched both players
We will see what he actually brings to the table now that our main crutch is off the field for what could be the remainder of the season. Let's hope he finds his mojo.
Well aside from the two key passes, one that put Sabitzer directly through on goal and then you also have the shot against the post that left AWB with an open goal.
Mental gymnastics indeed.
He’s had a pretty bad season but it’s also very high school to not acknowledge his form has picked up a lot lately.
If we want to win the league we have to look at our rivals and it is obvious that Antony is nowhere near the class of Foden, Saka, and Salah. Also Almiron and Mahrez are better players and I also rate Kulusevski higher. Is he better than Solly March? Despite some improvements he needs to improve alot. An overlapping pacy RB will certainly help. The club is to blame for doing the transfer so late and overpaying by 30m.
Genuinely don't remember the Sabitzer one. If I missed it I apologize.
A shot isn't a key pass though.
Again his general play was pretty good but I prefer wingers / forwards who produce the goods.
Almiron was absolutely dreadful in his first few seasons at Newcastle. Saka was playing left wing back for Arsenal. Salah couldnt hack it at Chelsea. Mahrez almost got relegated in his first season. What on earth are these comparisons? Antony, in his first season, has turned our right wing from non existent into an actual functioning area where we look threatening. He has also scored against Arsenal, Man City and Barcelona. Already won a trophy, could win three and played his part in our push for a Champions League place.
One key pass to Rashford, one key pass to Sabitzer which was after the nice Sancho run where he left two Everton players on the deck. At the 20:20ish mark.
So 55 mins played, 2 key passes, one cracking shot against the post that left an open goal for AWB; being painted as a performance with no substance. Yet you claim you can debate him without bias?
Yet he left the pitch once again with no goals and no assists. The last PL return was September. He's got less than Ben White just to be clear.
He was decent yesterday, nothing more. If he was as good as some of you are suggesting he wouldn't have been taken off at 59mins surely when the game was still not safe.
ETH has clearly lost trust with Weghorst so yeah, when the player coming on is by far our best forward, and the player at CF by far our best winger… he or Sancho were coming off regardless. We desperately need to get Martial minutes, and Rashford’s late injury only makes it even more vital.
Sancho himself was very good though, and he certainly needs more minutes.
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Why do you mention PL as if scoring against Everton is more important than scoring the winner against Barcelona?
You also realise he's only played 1200 PL minutes, which is half of what players like Martinelli has played with his colossal amount of 3 assists, who happens to play in a very fluid attacking team as opposed to us who have scored 44 goals in 29 games. We barely have any players to assist. No striker.
If you also look at his assists from Ajax, a lot of his assists were crosses to Haller who happens to be a striker that can head the ball. Do we have that?
Do you seriously believe that Antony can be as good as Salah and Saka? He will improve but Almiron is probably his ceiling. He is underwhelming and so is Sancho.
This. Antony looked sharp solely because Godfrey put in an abysmal performance. Still he couldn't capitalize on it and produce some end products. The moment where he looked through on goal but got recovered just showed he isn't up to PL standard and intensity.
Did you think Saka would be as good as he is today when he was playing left back for Arsenal at 18/19? Same with Salah, when Chelsea got rid, did you think he'd come back to win the golden boot/CL/PL with Liverpool? I'm guessing you and many others foresaw those circumstances?
I thought Sancho was good and Antony was decent. Neither were poor nor were they amazing.
It was a generally good team performance though. Everyone contributed.
If we had Saka, or a player as good as him, on our right wing then top 4 would already be sealed. We'd easily have another 6-9pts in my opinion.
This is the harsh reality of football. Players don't get to choose their transfer fees but when you go for 84m you need to deliver the goods.
Next season we need much much more from him. The only trouble with that is I don't see how he achieves it as he's not going to get any quicker or develop a good right foot now at his age. I can't see him cutting in on his left most of the game being good enough.
11 goals and 1 assist so far. I would be delighted if Antony (or Sancho) would reach that next season. Do you watch Almiron at all?fecking hell, the state of some posters
No I did not but I did foresee Sancho's shortcomings when many other posters did not. Neither do I foresee Antony scoring 15 PL goals in a season not to mention winning the Golden boot. He is a one trick pony.
fecking hell, the state of some posters
Genuinely remarkable the amount of negative, pessimistic, idiotic shite some people manage to conjure up about our own players.
He's going to have a 'break out' into becoming a regularish goalscorer or become extremely streaky and score a bunch of goals next year if he keeps this up. It'll happen.
Almiron is a 29 year old who has his first decent season in his life, while Antony is a recognised huge talent and also a Brazilian international. Antony is 23 years old playing his first season in Premier League.
While he has disappointed when it comes to scoring goals and assisting, he makes an impact and he brings the entire team forward while pinning the opponent back. His problem is that he's struggling to go on the outside which makes him predictable for defenders. It doesn't help him having Bissaka who barely overlaps. You will see Antony much more effective with a new attacking right back and an actual striker.
Almiron's numbers aren't even that impressive. He has 11 goals and 1 assist in 2000 minutes played.
Sancho has 4 goals and 2 assists in half the minutes, so I'd say it's pretty similar when you take minutes played into account.
And yes, I've watched Almiron play and he's not a great player. Statistics will also tell you he's not a particular good ball carrier going forward and he's not a good dribbler. He is overperforming this season when it comes to scoring goals and he's at the same level as Antony when it comes to assisting despite having decent strikers in the team.
The problem I have with people saying Antony will improve tenfold next season when he gets used to the premiership is the premiership will be used to him then.
When you only have one way of playing and no right foot most teams will work out how to deal with you very quickly.
I can see Antony having a tougher time of it next season
When you only have one way of playing and no right foot most teams will work out how to deal with you very quickly.
I can see Antony having a tougher time of it next season
Same here, you simply can't miss a pass like that when you're under no pressure as a pro footballer. Scoring a 1v1 or curling a shot into the far corner is a 100x more difficult than getting that pass right and for some reason it's the simple passes that a lot of our players are struggling with, which drives me nuts.
Then it's up to Antony to develop as a player, work on being able to cross the ball with his right foot, and have the ability to shoot inside the near post as well as his stock shot of curling it inside the fast post. If Amad becomes part of next season's squad, then Antony will certainly have to up his game.
There isn't even much style there. I think he looks unnatural on the ball.
He's out of his depth at Manchester United. He's an average player.
The season when Solskjaer tried hard working Andreas Pereira in both no 10 and wide right roles before abandoning him having bought Fernandes in the winter transfer window, Pereira got 1 goal + 3 assists in 1501 PL mins, with his xG 2.29 and xA 3.71, xG90 0.14, xA90 0.22. We sold Andreas for £8m rising to £10m with add-ons.
Antony currently 3 goals + 0 assists after 1306 PL mins, xG90 0.22, xA90 0.06
Pereira was 23 then turned 24 in Jan that season. Antony 22 then turned 23 in late Feb this year.
Pereira's pass completion was crap compared to Antony's so that's something.
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He contributes a lot but I would say I’m a little disappointed in his number of goal involvements. I do think he will get better, mostly because he is young and the team as a whole is evolving.
When the team gets better, he will get better, which will make the team better, which will make him better. This pattern will repeat until he and the team are infinitely good or he leaves / retires, whichever comes first.
Antony is a little underwhelming but I trust ETH. Time will tell.
When the team gets better, he will get better, which will make the team better, which will make him better. This pattern will repeat until he and the team are infinitely good or he leaves / retires, whichever comes first.
Antony is a little underwhelming but I trust ETH. Time will tell.
Who expected Almiron to improve in such a way this season ? It's one thing to criticize a player but another to completely write him off
You guys need to have a little more patience with him.
This place annoys me to be honest. The level of negativity never ceases to amaze me.
Here you have a 22 yr old playing his first season in a very difficult league. Does the basics and helps the team whenever he is on the pitch. And most importantly, hasn't dropped his head depsite underperforming yet! We can't even show little patience.
Here you have a 22 yr old playing his first season in a very difficult league. Does the basics and helps the team whenever he is on the pitch. And most importantly, hasn't dropped his head depsite underperforming yet! We can't even show little patience.
I know. I think it’s the price tag that’s driving it. He has some limitations but he’s a good team player and, being 22, he has time to learn how to get the best out of himself.
Again, it’s the money we paid; it’s understandable that people expect a little more. What I don’t understand is people writing him off.
The fact that the best arguments that pro Antony supporters come up with is that he's young. its his first season, he will get better, he needs a striker and a RB etc just proves one thing. He is not good enough. Sure he might be in 1, 2, 3, 4 seasons but the question is do we just carry him for a few years? If he's not good enough and he needs time, then he needs to be a bench player for a few years. Get Dembele for example and say to him push Dembele out if your good enough. This is United's problem. We keep waiting for first team players to come good. Why?
It’s not as simple as saying “buy Dembele”. First of all you have to be able to get him - not certain. Then if you do get him, he has to be better - not certain. How many players have we bought thinking they are the holy grail?
Most people who are “pro Antony” are not really “pro”, they are just not writing him off. This is a pragmatic attitude. Guarantee me that we obtain a better player without compromising what we need to upgrade elsewhere in the squad and I’ll take him; everyone would.
I admire the positivity but also feel like some of the praise Antony is getting here is also what we would laugh about if that was a player of a rival team. Imagine City/Liverpool fans praising 85m winger for going outside when dribbling, or using a weak foot to make a simple pass. Again, I think it's the right thing to do to support him but also can't help to think this way.
Antony isn't a youth/academy team player anymore and it seems like a lot of posters treat him like one. His biggest deficiencies are not going anywhere, he's not getting any quicker/stronger and he's not going to significantly improve on his right foot. I also don't get the comparison to Saka to when he was starting to play for Arsenal, he was always skillful and fast, he just needed a few seasons for it to come together. This is NOT the case for Antony.
At some point you just see limitations of a player and can't really expect him to go above his ceiling. "How high is Antony's ceiling" is the bone of contention on here. I actually think he's almost there. There are three main reasons (apart from the limitations I mentioned earlier) for that:
a) he already plays like a quite mature player (see Garnacho as the example of the opposite: he is all about attack attack attack, as effective as it is sometimes it makes sense to slow it down a bit like Antony does often)
b) his "bad choices" are actually a result of his awareness of his own shortcomings (example: he's not good at passing so even when it makes more sense to make a pass, he still goes for a shot; the same applies to him stopping to cut back to his left foot when it really makes sense to keep running and pass with his right).
c) based on my thorough research of his YouTube clips, current Antony is actually Ajax Antony (tbh I think he adapted very well to this league and he deserves praise for that; unfortunately he isn't playing for a team that avareges 65% possession anymore, so he just gets less chances to do his thing against opposition sitting back - and last two games shown he is quite OK against those)
This is exactly my worry. He deserves more slack than Sancho because he's actually putting a lot of effort, but at the moment and after watching him for quite a number of games I don't see how he can develop into a constant attacking threat. I believe he has improved slightly but I do think very poor opposition played a huge part in his performances last two games. I try not to judge players based on their output in a single game, because I though he was just unlucky not to score (it's a different story when it comes to assisting, because he is actually a poor passer of the ball), so I think he did well. It's just the bar is very low for him regardless if he's 30, 50, or 85m player.
Antony isn't a youth/academy team player anymore and it seems like a lot of posters treat him like one. His biggest deficiencies are not going anywhere, he's not getting any quicker/stronger and he's not going to significantly improve on his right foot. I also don't get the comparison to Saka to when he was starting to play for Arsenal, he was always skillful and fast, he just needed a few seasons for it to come together. This is NOT the case for Antony.
At some point you just see limitations of a player and can't really expect him to go above his ceiling. "How high is Antony's ceiling" is the bone of contention on here. I actually think he's almost there. There are three main reasons (apart from the limitations I mentioned earlier) for that:
a) he already plays like a quite mature player (see Garnacho as the example of the opposite: he is all about attack attack attack, as effective as it is sometimes it makes sense to slow it down a bit like Antony does often)
b) his "bad choices" are actually a result of his awareness of his own shortcomings (example: he's not good at passing so even when it makes more sense to make a pass, he still goes for a shot; the same applies to him stopping to cut back to his left foot when it really makes sense to keep running and pass with his right).
c) based on my thorough research of his YouTube clips, current Antony is actually Ajax Antony (tbh I think he adapted very well to this league and he deserves praise for that; unfortunately he isn't playing for a team that avareges 65% possession anymore, so he just gets less chances to do his thing against opposition sitting back - and last two games shown he is quite OK against those)
I think Antony had better games but maybe that's because I consider him to be a right midfielder rather than an attacker. He had a good game and I expect him to be useful in those games against poor opposition (unlucky not to assist or score).
This is exactly my worry. He deserves more slack than Sancho because he's actually putting a lot of effort, but at the moment and after watching him for quite a number of games I don't see how he can develop into a constant attacking threat. I believe he has improved slightly but I do think very poor opposition played a huge part in his performances last two games. I try not to judge players based on their output in a single game, because I though he was just unlucky not to score (it's a different story when it comes to assisting, because he is actually a poor passer of the ball), so I think he did well. It's just the bar is very low for him regardless if he's 30, 50, or 85m player.
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