Not great today. I can't really remember many great performances from Tony this season. He made a major contribution last weekend at Chelsea but I'm struggling to remember real stand out showings. If he continues to play like this...
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Valencia didn't have his best game, but he wasn't terrible either.
It's a group of Nani fans that simply has to bump this thread when Nani doesn't start and Valencia does. I guess they didn't even watch the game, because there were so many posts to read in the United v Arsenal thread.
It's a group of Nani fans that simply has to bump this thread when Nani doesn't start and Valencia does. I guess they didn't even watch the game, because there were so many posts to read in the United v Arsenal thread.
Look you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, Nani isn't gonna play it's clear. For some reason, Fergie doesn't like him and I think it's clear that he's gonna be off some time in the future. So please let's stop with the Nani should start thing when it's clear he isn't gonna play.
If he was staying here, then it'd have been him starting instead of a player coming back from a two month injury against Chelsea.
If he was staying here, then it'd have been him starting instead of a player coming back from a two month injury against Chelsea.
Thats the best defense I have heard of a player, am using this the next time I have nothing to go on.It's ridiculous isn't it?
Some people just can't resist putting Nani into a Valencia thread.
I understand the fanboism but what gets on my tits is this childlish 'If Nani doesn't start then other wingers are shit and shouldn't start as well.'
Yes, lots of people defending his performance.
Yes. How long can you discuss Nani vs. Valencia? Or actually Nani vs. anyone who started instead of him?
Some people know what they know, and they're not going to change it. It's pointless, Nani is God and Ferguson is an old fecker who, at 70, doesn't understand football.
Keep going, I love to read about Nani.
Inconsistency is a trait most wingers have.
Nani is probably more productive over the course of a season than Valencia but lacks his security in possession or workrate/ defensive covering.
It also depends who we are playing up front. Valencia probably suits the Rooney/RvP partnership better- while when we have Kagawa in the team a player like Nani would be better suited for his game.
Horses for courses.
Nani is probably more productive over the course of a season than Valencia but lacks his security in possession or workrate/ defensive covering.
It also depends who we are playing up front. Valencia probably suits the Rooney/RvP partnership better- while when we have Kagawa in the team a player like Nani would be better suited for his game.
Horses for courses.
Thought he had a decent first half against the useless Santos but as soon as he missed the tap-in his confidence went and stopped trying to take anyone on. He's not been great in recent weeks and I thought Fergie left him on far too long. I'd leave him out midweek.
Nani is the best winger at the club but he wants to move on and he is a diver (as is Young). Valencia can´t hit a ball with his left-foot even if his life depended on it and Young is quite average. Nani though has it all to make it here but until he signs I´m all for Rightfoot and Average. Play the ones proud of the shirt
Yup, he is really immune from criticism isn't he. But hey everyone loves Valencia and hates Nani. That's from today. It's clear that you didn't read the thread and made yourself look like an idiot.
Considering this is my first post in this thread...not long?
Some people know what they know, and they're not going to change it. It's pointless, Valencia is God and completely shut down the left flank of arsenal and won us the game on his own.
Even SAF would acknowledge that the reason nani isnt starting is due to non-footballing reasons, ditto with walcott. It doesnt mean that I cant get frustrated about it.
Last comment on the subject before I am out.If all of us acknowledge this, maybe his contract should reflect that? Think that is the reason why he is not signing.
Yes, something's wrong between Nani and Ferguson and that's why it was weird to see Young start at Chelsea on Sunday, but his performances against them and today proved he's certainly not worse than Nani (okay, I'll add this for you) at the moment.
Based on potential, yes but he certainly hasn't been for a year now.
Just don't get how Valencia continues to get games. He's been quite poor this season. If only Nani wasn't off we could play him there.
SAF loves Valencia as a player, he seems to be undroppable to him at times.
KM, it could be argued posters are more vile in their criticism towards Nani which might be why some feel the need to say something about Valencia.
No keyboard warrior, look how many jumped in to defend Valencia, then go look at Nani's thread and see the difference in the level of critiscism every time he makes an error and then compare to the Cina vs everybody nature of the thread, then kindly feck off.
People also defend Nani. Also Tony has gotten loads of criticism in this season. What more do you want?
Why is there even a need to bring Nani into this debate?
To claim both are criticised to the same level on here is disingenuous at best. Valencia's quiet and humble nature has endeared him to our faithful, Nani has struggled from the start to gain support and it plays out on here with how harshly he is judged unless he has a total blinder.
You decided to go for me in this situation which is fine, but I'm hardly the only one that's noticed our 3 winger threads have become agenda driven, it's like some stupid game of sides has been taken up even though all 3 play for us.
I decided to have a "go" at you because the comment you made in relation to today's match was absolutely wrong. Don't you agree with that?
Agree with your second paragraph.
Big fan of valencia but thought he had a stinker today.
He had Santos on toast in the first half, but he went back into his shell and instead of attacking him he just decided to pass backwards.
It really doesnt make sense, a player of his strength and speed should be flying at defenders heading towards the box, but he would rather play the safe option.
When he is in full flow he is difficult to stop, but i feel sometimes his limitations are so much it hinders us slightly.
Really do think if Fergie/Nani had not fallen out he would of been pulled of alot earlier.
He had Santos on toast in the first half, but he went back into his shell and instead of attacking him he just decided to pass backwards.
It really doesnt make sense, a player of his strength and speed should be flying at defenders heading towards the box, but he would rather play the safe option.
When he is in full flow he is difficult to stop, but i feel sometimes his limitations are so much it hinders us slightly.
Really do think if Fergie/Nani had not fallen out he would of been pulled of alot earlier.
By the way I hope the one who gave me this tagline saw the irony in it.
You're actually a Nani fanboi?
Absolutely stank the place out today. Playing with no confidence at the minute
I used the term teflon which relates to nothing sticking because Val is always vehemently defended by a large section of the Caf no matter what, unlike Nani who is jumped on for the slightest thing, which was my main point in saying how different the two threads were overall, Valencia was criticised more today than I realised so you got me there, I accept .
It's weird the way some view the squad as a battle of their favourites.
He was pretty bad today. Had the beating of his man easily but lacked any real cutting edge to his play I thought. Out of form at the moment just a tad. Young was the same too, pretty wasteful at times after getting into good positions.
Still won so not too fussed
Still won so not too fussed
Valencia had a fairly good game today, he was tearing apart Santos on that side. The two things that let him down were:
a) one footed-ness: there seems to be no confidence on going onto his left side.
b) hesitation: on more than one occasion, Valencia stood on the ball for a while as he thought his options out, which made his quick run forward almost pointless as defenders could then get back.
He's still got a lot to offer and there's plenty of games left in the season for him to show that.
a) one footed-ness: there seems to be no confidence on going onto his left side.
b) hesitation: on more than one occasion, Valencia stood on the ball for a while as he thought his options out, which made his quick run forward almost pointless as defenders could then get back.
He's still got a lot to offer and there's plenty of games left in the season for him to show that.
The missed chance was unforgivable! No but in all seriousness, he will never become a regular goal scorer. I honestly dont think he had as bad a performance as people on this thread are claiming, but he could have done more to capitalise on santos.
I was hoping this would be the game that saw his form return given it was Santos he was against, but he was solid enough without being brilliant. Very frustrated he didn't score that chance RVP laid on for him.
Another average performance, and as I already said, rating him as a direct goal threat, he is probably one of the worst wingers in the league. No wonder he rarely gets into goalscoring chances when his finishing is awfull.
I really don't understand how people can say he ha d a good game, when he had probably defensivly worst left back in the league against himself
We should play Welbeck on the right now when Nani isn't an option.
I really don't understand how people can say he ha d a good game, when he had probably defensivly worst left back in the league against himself
We should play Welbeck on the right now when Nani isn't an option.
Very well put. He'll get his best form back soon, he's a beast of a player.
He was poor today, Lethargic for large parts of the game, walking back after conceding possession instead of helping Rafa. Young tracked back much better.
Didn't really get any of his crosses in, When he did get a chance he waited to long instead of hitting them in first time. Cut inside a fair bit where everyone know he wasn't ever going to use his left foot and ended up either losing possession or giving it to someone else.
Yeah, just an off day from him imo. Hopefully he'll hit form soon.
Didn't really get any of his crosses in, When he did get a chance he waited to long instead of hitting them in first time. Cut inside a fair bit where everyone know he wasn't ever going to use his left foot and ended up either losing possession or giving it to someone else.
Yeah, just an off day from him imo. Hopefully he'll hit form soon.
He takes an absolute age to put the ball into the box sometimes. Like he doesn't actually know what he wants to do, it really does end any momentum we have going. I don't expect him to play away to Braga on wednesday night, hopefully he gets some sort of form going. What is it with our wingers this season so far, all finding it difficult to play into form.
I think a better word would have been 'Ability'
Wasn't brilliant today, wasn't brilliant versus Braga, but he always seems to have an assist or two in him. His partnership (that sounded gay) with Rafael is also brilliant, borderline telepathic.
Honestly, there's nothing more depressing than this Nani vs. Valencia debate. They are both good, and more importantly, they both play for us. That being said, I think Valencia (because this is a thread about him, not Nani,) has been very disappointing this year.
His crossing has been very inconsistent (thankfully the ones that have been good have usually been to the ruthless RVP.) As well, his over-reliance on his right foot has been cringeworthy at times - especially when he does that silly move where he's running down the wing and suddenly stops. given that he's only got one foot to use, it seems fairly predictable what he's going to do: a kick and run down the line or a pass back to Rafael or however else is behind him. No chance of a cross being curled into the box or cutting across and having a shot on net.
We need him to find his form quickly.
His crossing has been very inconsistent (thankfully the ones that have been good have usually been to the ruthless RVP.) As well, his over-reliance on his right foot has been cringeworthy at times - especially when he does that silly move where he's running down the wing and suddenly stops. given that he's only got one foot to use, it seems fairly predictable what he's going to do: a kick and run down the line or a pass back to Rafael or however else is behind him. No chance of a cross being curled into the box or cutting across and having a shot on net.
We need him to find his form quickly.
What was the deal in the second half today? One of his worst. Terrific first half though, and of course he played a key role in a goal as usual. He is the dog's bollocks.
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