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Yes, we do know how dangerous Valencia can be. I say stick with him. How long, I don't know. But right now he's our best option on the right and there's no reason to believe he won't regain his top form, soon if not imminently.

The interesting question, which I'm sure has been discussed somewhere on the caf, is what the acquisition of Zaha means for Nani, Valencia or Young. We've speculated here (myself included), without any basis in fact, that Nani is as good as gone. Now with Zaha on the books, I suspect we'll see that speculation skyrocket. But, could it be Valencia that's sent off if his form doesn't improve and Nani goes back to being Nani? We shall see.
 
Valencia is the type of player the British media loves, hard as nails, a tank, fast and tracks back. That's why he doesn't get much criticism.
 
Ruud10 said:
Yes, we do know how dangerous Valencia can be. I say stick with him. How long, I don't know. But right now he's our best option on the right and there's no reason to believe he won't regain his top form, soon if not imminently.

The interesting question, which I'm sure has been discussed somewhere on the caf, is what the acquisition of Zaha means for Nani, Valencia or Young. We've speculated here (myself included), without any basis in fact, that Nani is as good as gone. Now with Zaha on the books, I suspect we'll see that speculation skyrocket. But, could it be Valencia that's sent off if his form doesn't improve and Nani goes back to being Nani? We shall see.
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Why do any of them have to go? I really don't get this, Fergie likes having four wingers, he tried to sign Hazard/Lucas in the Summer, which would've left us with four of them, and this season we've had to go through periods where we've only had one fit at a time and generally not in very good form. I really don't see any reason why Fergie would sell, unless he plans on bringing another one in the Summer again.

The only way I could see one leaving is if we don't agree a contract with Nani, and nobody really knows how likely that is.

I don't think Fergie will make the same mistake next season, I suspect we will have four wingers at our disposal.
 
Which in itself reminds me of the Nani situation again, and how despite it being mentioned near enough every game that he was in poor form, little to no questions were asked of Fergie about him before or after matches, and more importantly about his contract. At no point did they seem to care that he was possibly on the verge of leaving, at all, even after being dropped and playing out of form for so long. That period where he didn't play for ages, not one interview had a question about his absence, it was very strange. It was weird that they put so little attention towards that story, and it's a similar thing with Valencia now, albeit on a smaller scale since it's just form not contract issues as well.
 
Hectic said:
Which in itself reminds me of the Nani situation again, and how despite it being mentioned near enough every game that he was in poor form, little to no questions were asked of Fergie about him before or after matches, and more importantly about his contract. At no point did they seem to care that he was possibly on the verge of leaving, at all, even after being dropped and playing out of form for so long. That period where he didn't play for ages, not one interview had a question about his absence, it was very strange. It was weird that they put so little attention towards that story, and it's a similar thing with Valencia now, albeit on a smaller scale since it's just form not contract issues as well.
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Nani doesn't get half the media attention Valencia does when in form though, it's like he's invisible to them. I remember after amazing goals and games they'd barely mention him at all, it was weird. It's the same when he's injured and playing poorly I guess. I did find it crazy that for around 6 weeks of his injury literally no journalist asked SAF about him, at all, and it took six weeks for SAF himself to mention it.

Valencia though does get shiteloads of praise when in form, but for some reason when he's off form nobody seems to notice and they generally just acknowledge him being a consistently good player etc.

It's a bit odd.
 
Valencia has been one of our most consistently good performers since arriving here, up until this point obviously. The media loves that. With Nani he still hasn't beaten the inconsistent label, most media seem to latch on to that despite the two years before this season Nani turning in to a relatively consistent player.
 
Jesus Christ, we mat as well be playing with 10 men. That was an awful half even by his awful standards this season.
 
Does he actually try anything remotely positive? Every time he receives the ball he either hits the man with the cross or passes back to Rafael/Carrick.
 
Kagawa & Welbeck should be playing ahead of him. Has offered nothing going forward.
 
Has been pretty ordinary tbh, but then so has the rest of the midfield except maybe Nani.
 
Won most of the 50/50's. Provided a very good outlet for counters and tracked back well. It was a good half from him I thought, nothing outstanding but at the same not as bad as some of his games this season.
 
Cina :lol:

Good half by Nani, involved in every attack and has been linking up with Rooney well..

I'd like to see him switched down the right with Kagawa coming on playing left
 
He's had at most 3 poor touches in the whole half. Beat his man a couple of times, won the ball back a couple of times, kept the ball well...yet he was awful. Ok. Witch-hunt.

I don't know how taking the ball up the line and allowing our team to gain territory is deemed a "negative" move. Maybe it frustrates you that some wingers actually value keeping the ball but come on, to say that's actually negatively affecting our play - that's straight up silly.
 
Oh shit - I thought this was the Nani thread.

Yes, Valencia has been poor, again
 
He hasn't done nothing negative IMO, but he hasn't provided anything special too, almost every our player was involved in some kind of good movemant at times except him.
 
Think he should go and get a run out with the reserves for a few games till he gets his rhythm and confidence back.
 
Amar__ said:
He hasn't done nothing negative IMO, but he hasn't provided anything special too, almost every our player was involved in some kind of good movemant at times except him.
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He, Nani and Rooney linked up for our best counter-attack of the game...it was Nani who over-complicated things there.
 
Tibs said:
Oh shit - I thought this was the Nani thread.

Yes, Valencia has been poor, again
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I don't know how anybody can come to the conclusion that he's been anything other than poor. In this form, he offers absolutely nothing.
 
Amar__ said:
He hasn't done nothing negative IMO, but he hasn't provided anything special too, almost every our player was involved in some kind of good movemant at times except him.
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Exactly. All of Rooney, RvP and Nani have been getting involved in good moves other than Valencia. I really don't get why we need to start with him when we've got Giggs and Kagawa both sitting on the bench.
 
Brwned said:
He's had at most 3 poor touches in the whole half. Beat his man a couple of times, won the ball back a couple of times, kept the ball well...yet he was awful. Ok. Witch-hunt.

I don't know how taking the ball up the line and allowing our team to gain territory is deemed a "negative" move. Maybe it frustrates you that some wingers actually value keeping the ball but come on, to say that's actually negatively affecting our play - that's straight up silly.
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I'm always right said:
Brwned is right for once.
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Indeed, I do hate agreeing with brwned, but Valencia has been ok.

Fairly quiet but has done decent.

I was looking through the match thread and his couple of mistakes were picked on more than any other mistakes by any other player.
 
Brwned said:
He's had at most 3 poor touches in the whole half. Beat his man a couple of times, won the ball back a couple of times, kept the ball well...yet he was awful. Ok. Witch-hunt.

I don't know how taking the ball up the line and allowing our team to gain territory is deemed a "negative" move. Maybe it frustrates you that some wingers actually value keeping the ball but come on, to say that's actually negatively affecting our play - that's straight up silly.
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Aye no problems with his general play but you'll have to agree that his crossing has deteriorated...and to such an extent that he's now unsure of when and where to cross the ball into. It wasn't like this a year ago :(
 
MDFC Manager said:
Aye no problems with his general play but you'll have to agree that his crossing has deteriorated...and to such an extent that he's now unsure of when and where to cross the ball into. It wasn't like this a year ago :(
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His all round game is down a good bit from previously but he is not the waste of space many will have us believe.
 
I don't think he's ever been an excellent crosser personally, if he's not firing it low across the box (which is a % ball at the end of the day) then he's cutting it back to the edge of the box - exactly what he tried in his only failed cross today, and it was well cut out. When he tries the traditional high ball it's usually not great.
 
This is one of his brightest performances of the season. He's taking on his full back, he's running with the ball and he's not looking like a rabbit caught in head lights when he gets the ball.

He's not there yet, but this is a marked improvement.
 
Brwned said:
He, Nani and Rooney linked up for our best counter-attack of the game...it was Nani who over-complicated things there.
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Nani controlled balls almost shot at him. Any other player instead of him there and there wouldnt have been any counter attack at all. He was the one setting it all up but yeah go on.
 
Brwned said:
He's had at most 3 poor touches in the whole half. Beat his man a couple of times, won the ball back a couple of times, kept the ball well...yet he was awful. Ok. Witch-hunt.

I don't know how taking the ball up the line and allowing our team to gain territory is deemed a "negative" move. Maybe it frustrates you that some wingers actually value keeping the ball but come on, to say that's actually negatively affecting our play - that's straight up silly.
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I wouldn't say awful, more so ... pointless. He did feck all with the ball really, and didn't really contain Riise either.
 
He needs to start doing better than ok. He's not a treat which isn't good enough for a winger playing at Man Utd. Such a shame seeing him in this slump :(
 
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