Don't forget he took the jersey from Michael feckin Owen.
Done a chamakh? What exactly had he done before he was shit? He always looked shit
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Don't forget he took the jersey from Michael feckin Owen.
Done a chamakh? What exactly had he done before he was shit? He always looked shit
I think that's too simplistic an answer that doesn't explain why Valencia has been so bad. Look at our recent victory against Newcastle, for example. In that game Valencia was dire for an hour and then all of a sudden seemed to remember how to run with the ball down the outside and get crosses in one of which went onto Chicharito's head and should've led to a goal. There has to be a reason why until that point he simply wasn't playing properly and why since the Newcastle game he has gone back to putting in sub part performances. Is he injured? Does he have something on his mind?
One trick pony whose temporarily lost his one trick.
Do you think it's possible that we might have re-thought selling Nani because of Valencia's poor form? Additionally, is it possible Valencia is playing so badly because he has no real competition at the moment?
You're calling a footballer a paraplegic, and I'm the tool?
Seriously, catch yourself on. He's out of form, and I've always rated Nani higher, but to say he's a disgrace to the shirt and dish the kind of abuse you just have is pathetic. He was our best player last season, and when he hits form again, and he will, cnuts like you will look foolish.
Entirely possible IMO.
I'm not saying it's the answer to the question, hence the question mark.
To me he looks to lost his explosive pace and sharpness. Could be carrying a highly injury, he does look a bit too big ontop as well.
Come on guys.. he has only be dire for a while now.. May be he needs a rest.. It is loss of form.. and he will get it back anyday.. Just think he needs to get a few weeks rest and come back recharged..
I think it's more likely his hip problem requires an extended rest period but we can't give it to him right now with Nani out.
That is because the Newcastle game became very open. He lacks the skill to beat his man, but does not lack the speed to beat space. The game is a lot easier when it's open.
I don't think it's simplistic to say he's been figured out. He runs into space, not round people. Teams have been setting up two men to cut off space to run into, and he lacks the variety to alternate.
I can understand not rating/liking him but to insult your own (special mention at Hannibal) player is a disgrace.He isn't playing badly by choice and he isn't forcing SAF to play him, it sucks that he cannot do better but it doesn't mean we get free licence to insult him.
Don't you worry that Valencia lacks that innate self-belief that Giggs did? I'm a big fan of Tony V too, it's not like I'm jumping at the chance to criticise him. Perhaps he is just having some off-field problems.
Give a rest, Hannibal.
We can discuss his form without going over the top, and being civil.
Hasn't been the same since losing his camera
Not sure what the issue, but he's just not trying it seems to pick a man out from crosses, he knocks it past his man and then fires it across as hard as he can it seems
I know it's not easy to look up and try and decide where you want to be putting it, but really we need a bit of that from him
I was hoping for a little bit better, as he has had a bit of a rest, but he could probably do with Nani's return as much as we could to just get some confidence/form/whatever it is back
I think a lot of people are going completely OTT with the liability stuff - but people do like to deal in hyperbole
I know it's not easy to look up and try and decide where you want to be putting it, but really we need a bit of that from him
I was hoping for a little bit better, as he has had a bit of a rest, but he could probably do with Nani's return as much as we could to just get some confidence/form/whatever it is back
I think a lot of people are going completely OTT with the liability stuff - but people do like to deal in hyperbole
He's not a liability but he's a bit of a non-entity in our attacking play at the moment really.
Frustrating to watch at the moment but I'm convinced it's just the same kind of slump he were in at the start of last season, prolonged by a bit of injury problems.
Frustrating to watch at the moment but I'm convinced it's just the same kind of slump he were in at the start of last season, prolonged by a bit of injury problems.
What are you basing that on? The way he came back from a bad long term injury and his wanting the number 7 shows self belief.
He's had a poor 5-6 months but none of us know what his character is like. This is probably the first time he's being tested like this, nothing to suggest he can't overcome it.
Very little and I'm likely just going overboard because I'm concerned/frustrated. He's the type of player that when he's not playing well he just plays it safe and does the basics. Do that for long enough as a winger and I don't know...it goes from being a habit to a playing style. I'm almost definitely talking bollocks but there you go.
He seems to have a touch of the greedy bastards about him this year. I don't think he is a selfish player by nature I just think he probably feels he needs to contribute to the goal scoring more.
He certainly looks like he's got no confidence atm.
I miss the Valencia that would get the ball and just drive at the full back, and just beat him with pure pace and power, before whipping in a cross.
I miss the Valencia that would get the ball and just drive at the full back, and just beat him with pure pace and power, before whipping in a cross.
Quality player who has had a dip in form/confidence while playing with an injury, can't wait to see him flying again as he is devastating on that right side in full flight. He'll come again that I have no doubt.
There is also the fact that he has less than half the ability Giggs does/did. No point in comparing how they have responded to adversity when they both have such a contrasting amount in their respective lockers anyway.
I mean, to say 'Giggs came back from a long period of poor form in 95, so Valencia can/will too' is overlooking the fact that Giggs also happens to be one of the most gifted players to play for us.
I know you haven't made that comparison directly, just saying that these things need to be considered. What worries me is in terms of raw ingredients, how much does Valencia have to work with? Are his tools enough to guarantee he'll eventually return to being one of our best players? I'm not convinced.
It was pleasing to see Valencia cross twice with his left foot today. I don't think I've seen him do that once this season so for him to do it twice in a cameo was refreshing. Hopefully it's something that has been looked at in training to try and get him out of this rut.
His crossing with his right was really poor though tonight as was his last ditch effort at goal.
He needs a good game to sort his confidence.
His crossing with his right was really poor though tonight as was his last ditch effort at goal.
He needs a good game to sort his confidence.
Are there any other players you lot can think of that went into this kind of slump and then never really recovered? Lee Sharpe was ruined by injuries, Kanchelskis ruined by the mob and his career decision. Damien Duff's one but then it was probably injuries too.
Torres is the obvious one in recent times.. There have always been players overly reliant on physical attributes that get knocked out of their stride. Owen is another example.
Arshavin?
So, against Pool it will be Young and Giggs in the wings.
Anyway, with Nani returning in the team I think that Valencia too must raise his level. I don't think that with this form he should be near the team, but on the other side when you consider how good he returned from the injury he could again return stronger from the loss of form.
My only concern is that he could make a Fernando Torres. Valencia was always an one-dimensional player, and although the defenders knew exactly what he was going to do, he still was unstoppable. But without confidence that is not going to work, and for that he now looks like a reincarnated Bebe.
Anyway, with Nani returning in the team I think that Valencia too must raise his level. I don't think that with this form he should be near the team, but on the other side when you consider how good he returned from the injury he could again return stronger from the loss of form.
My only concern is that he could make a Fernando Torres. Valencia was always an one-dimensional player, and although the defenders knew exactly what he was going to do, he still was unstoppable. But without confidence that is not going to work, and for that he now looks like a reincarnated Bebe.
We all joked in the summer that it was ridiculous Fergie was looking to sign another winger, but dare I say it, I think we need to sign another winger.
Nani is hit or miss. That said, I'm desperate for him to regain full fitness.
Valencia is suffering an extended an inexplicably woeful crisis of form.
Young is Young.
Giggs isn't really a winger anymore.
Nani is hit or miss. That said, I'm desperate for him to regain full fitness.
Valencia is suffering an extended an inexplicably woeful crisis of form.
Young is Young.
Giggs isn't really a winger anymore.
He's lacking confidence.
He hasn't played much with Rafael this year.
It's really not coming off for him this season, and unfortunately he seems to be getting worse game-by-game rather than better.
The most frustrating thing for me has been the fact that his build-up play seems as good as ever; he gets himself into some fantastic positions, beating his man, bearing down on the danger area, running into the box, and then... that's when he pulls the donkey out, time and again his final ball being embarrassingly poor.
If he could sort out that final ball then he'd still be the beast of a winger we know and love, because even off form he still manages regularly to get into those dangerous positions near the byline, clear of the fullback that have brought him so much success in the past. If only he could cross it, shoot, smash it across goal, play games decisive cut-back, anything, we'd be fecking sorted.
Perhaps a new pair of football boots could be the answer
One thing we can be certain of is that nobody has 'figured him out'. Valencia's issue is not with opposition defenders, but with himself.
The most frustrating thing for me has been the fact that his build-up play seems as good as ever; he gets himself into some fantastic positions, beating his man, bearing down on the danger area, running into the box, and then... that's when he pulls the donkey out, time and again his final ball being embarrassingly poor.
If he could sort out that final ball then he'd still be the beast of a winger we know and love, because even off form he still manages regularly to get into those dangerous positions near the byline, clear of the fullback that have brought him so much success in the past. If only he could cross it, shoot, smash it across goal, play games decisive cut-back, anything, we'd be fecking sorted.
Perhaps a new pair of football boots could be the answer
One thing we can be certain of is that nobody has 'figured him out'. Valencia's issue is not with opposition defenders, but with himself.
Lee Sharpe was ruined by Ryan Giggs, Denny Irwin, David Beckham, and that Ferguson deemed his party boy rock star air to be a negative influence. Injuries were the least of his problems.
I can imagine Valencia's awful shot on United's final attack sending the crucifixion crew out to sharpen their nails.
I don't really believe his form has got anything with the lack of competition. He's playing badly, but not for the lack of trying. At times maybe trying too hard, like that shot in injury time tonight.
He resembled Bebe this evening.
Apart from the ones mentioned there are quite a few.
- Michael Bridges
- Robbie Fowler
- Michael Ricketts
- Nicky Butt
- Francis Jeffers
- Tore Andre Flo
- El Hadji Diouf
- Mido
- Benni McCarthy
- Tomas Brolin
- Jody Morris
- Stan Collymore
- Gazza
- Alan Smith
Being very hard on the lad there, very harsh words.
I mean sure Bebe was poor but to say something like that about him is way over the top.
Let's all ignore Hannibal. Clearly having a period.
I'm not one for hypothetical situations but consider the case where Valencia's poor run of form continues until the end of the season. Would any of you feel differently as you do now? Surely a player can only have so many poor games before a certain action is taken.
I'm not one for hypothetical situations but consider the case where Valencia's poor run of form continues until the end of the season. Would any of you feel differently as you do now? Surely a player can only have so many poor games before a certain action is taken.
We've seen it in the past. A player under-performing, then disappearing for a few games, then coming back like a beast..
Hope Fergie can do it again with Valencia. He's such a good and influential player when in form.. Hope he'll be back when Rooney is back, he had some good partnership with him in the past.
Hope Fergie can do it again with Valencia. He's such a good and influential player when in form.. Hope he'll be back when Rooney is back, he had some good partnership with him in the past.
Other than that last shot, Antonio was actually decent today. Not great, but decent. But that shot was beyond belief. At the very least, just get it anywhere inside the frame and force a save.
When you're low on confidence, don't go for a corner. Just get good wood on the ball and force a save. And go low, and go for the far post. Crazy things happen inside the six yard box when you're at an acute angle and go low and far post. Antonio must know hat.
When you're low on confidence, don't go for a corner. Just get good wood on the ball and force a save. And go low, and go for the far post. Crazy things happen inside the six yard box when you're at an acute angle and go low and far post. Antonio must know hat.
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