You're dealing in a rare scenario where playing for a lengthy time doesn't worsen the injury. There's no way for you or me to know either ways whether that's the case here. I'm talking about a normal scenario where playing on with an injury does worsen it. Being sidelined for a length time as a result costs the team, it's brave in the very short term but stupid as it costs the team long term. It's why LVG was livid at Rojo too who did the same.
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You're dealing in a rare scenario where playing for a lengthy time doesn't worsen the injury. There's no way for you or me to know either ways whether that's the case here. I'm talking about a normal scenario where playing on with an injury does worsen it. Being sidelined for a length time as a result costs the team, it's brave in the very short term but stupid as it costs the team long term. It's why LVG was livid at Rojo too who did the same.
I remember Carrick fracturing his elbow and no one knowing until the end of the match. SAF went to shake hands and Carrick couldn't raise his arm. Players don't necessarily notice the difference between minor and major until the game's over and the adrenaline drops and their focus changes.
I am surprised it wasn't picked up on at HT, but given we don't know anything about the injury, maybe that's no surprise either. After all it was a couple of weeks between injury and surgery - not a typical fractured metatarsal or whatever.
I am surprised it wasn't picked up on at HT, but given we don't know anything about the injury, maybe that's no surprise either. After all it was a couple of weeks between injury and surgery - not a typical fractured metatarsal or whatever.
You are unwilling to discuss, you only want to be right.
He played on for an hour with an injury that's looking like a 5 month spell on the sideline. He's a professional athlete. They have professional medics at hand.
I think the issue is that this should have been dealt with more swiftly on the day. How long after trying to 'run off' a knock do medical professionals allow before upgrading it to a notable injury and taking action?
Whereas you seem mainly interested in repeating the same incorrect and clueless point again and again.
The whole thing is unusual. From the innocuous way it happened, to the way he seemed able to run it of, to the timing of the surgery. Would really like to know exactly what was wrong with him.
I'd say it's bravery on his part and stupidity on the part of the manager who leaves him on.
If he communicated it to LVG who then asked him to continue, I'd agree. I don't believe it's what happened though considering LVG's response to Rojo continuing to play injured.
I have discussed and given evidence to back up what I'm saying you're just saying the same thing over and over again. It was a nonsensical point to begin with so repeating it isn't making it any better and isn't any form of discussion
I ruptured my ACL. Couldn't move, horrible pain. Next game a teammate ruptured his ACL played on for 5 mins and limped off, thought he was fine. Both required surgery and 9 months off. Everyone can be experts after but everyone reacts differently and there is nothing that can be done about that.
Obviously Valencia felt fit to continue. It's not like he hasn't come off injured before. It's the manager and the medical staff's responsibility to assess whether he's fit, not the player.
Yes but the player has to share the actual seriousness of the problem he is facing. It's impossible for the staff to know what's going on while still in the game. If he hides it and continues, he feck up, not the staff.
Why don´t you just stop the conjecture and throwing the judgement "stupid" around. You do not know what happened, what he felt, what LVG was thinking, so why not just shut up about it until something more concrete comes out?
Why don't you stay out of the thread till he has a good game or more importantly Darmian a bad one?
Wow. I hadn't read this earlier. He has prior when it comes to this then.
Oh god, he´s got a prior. He must be stoopid. Have no fear, Inspector Vroom´s on the case.
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Says the man who thinks that "plenty of times playing through pain won't do any more damage"..... Sign him up LVG
Granted, different players react differently. All I was suggesting is that this is the biggest club in the world, in one of the biggest games of the season.... There should have been a better judgement call somewhere along the line for the 60 odd minutes Valencia was injured.
Short of getting an x-ray machine on the field, there is not much that can be done.
Your evidence is circumstantial, as is my assessment of how the injury was dealt with.
Good job with thinking that any point that isn't in direct agreement with yours is 'nonsensical'. Ever think of a career in politics after your spell with the Man Utd medical staff is over?
My point all along is that is shouldn't have taken 60 minutes of playing through injury for Valencia to be taken off. Complete nonsense.
Nah mate, it was clear he was struggling in my opinion. He'd started quite well against City but after the knock in the first half he was labouring through runs. Plus the medics had 15mins to assess him at half time.
How exactly is a player supposed to know how serious his injury is? I don't think he has a medical degree.
He might well have been struggling but a lot of players carry knocks through matches. Some do it better than others. The medical staff can assess him but again there is only so much that they can do. Using basics TOTAPS, they would have asked him about the injury and if he said it feels fine (he might not have been in too much pain), they can only go by that. Again going back to when I did my knee, mine was completely locked, absolutely zero movement, the next week my mate had 100% movement with zero pain. I think we expect too much at times from the medical staff.
Going bald whilst he recovers, it seems.
Pisses me off does old valencia. He's got all the boxes ticked, Supreme Athlete, Big game mentality, versatile, committed, he's a Proper united player.
Just dont understand how his offensive game has completely gone to shit because he's such a talented and likeable dude.
Just dont understand how his offensive game has completely gone to shit because he's such a talented and likeable dude.
I didn't know it was a season-ending injury, but it seemed pretty obvious that it wasn't something he could just run off. Not because I'm a medical expert but because he tried to run it off and quite clearly couldn't. This isn't a captain hindsight moment either - I commented on it at the time too.
The difference was night and day. Up until that point he was a major attacking force, thereafter he was just getting through the game. The fact it was innocuous was what worried me to begin with to be honest. Maybe it's not a rational viewpoint but when someone gets injured with no-one near him I find it pretty worrying. At the very least it rules out an impact injury which in my mind escalates it to a possible serious injury, which was then confirmed when he failed to run it off...but obviously I didn't think it was this serious. I just thought we should've taken him off because Valencia's the kind of player that has to be hauled off the pitch with an injury.
I don't think any point which is different from mine is nonsensical and I don't even think the main point you are trying to make is nonsensical what I said was nonsensical was you repeating the fact that it was the derby as if it has any relevance which added to your initial drama queen reaction which I first responded to and now this childish response from you shows me you're not even worth the effort of responding to so I won't be making the mistake of doing that again
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"Childish response', says the man who's life is void of punctuation.
Point proven. If you're going to correct me you could have at least used the word whose
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Seriousness of the discomfort he's facing and how it's impeding his game.
The case is beneath me. Maybe your childish self can take it up?
It might not have felt serious. How is this hard to understand?
Or he did feel it and decided to keep going? How is it hard to understand?
If a player comes off every time they feel a slight bit of pain, they would be criticised for not fighting through it and rightly so. He obviously felt he could keep playing, which he did quite well. So I think it's safe to say he didn't feel as though he had a broken leg or a torn hammy.
If the pain went away in some time and he felt absolutely normal, he can't be critised for it. If he felt discomfort and played inspite of that, it's stupid. That's pretty much the point I'm making.
No, what you were saying was . . .
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. . . so you should really shut about the stupid remarks when you clearly don´t know what you´re talking about. Who put you in charge of deeming our players stupid? Who do you think you are?
You want me to point out that I think it's the later of the 2 scenarios I mentioned? That should be obvious.
I will comment on whichever player I want and if I think they did something stupid, I will say so. Don't like it? Put me on ignore or shut the feck up.
A comment like that could only come from someone who's never played competitive football, or any other contact sport (which is, I suspect, also true of @iKeano). Feeling discomfort and playing on is a routine part of playing contact sports. If every player got subbed off whenever they had to play through some pain/discomfort then no game would ever finish with everyone on the pitch.
True. I can relate to this even in my very low amateur football level, I've had plenty of different knocks but kept on playing only to realize the following that it was a rather serious injury. With the adrenaline, unless the injury prevents from completely moving, you'll always want to play.