[Señor]

He needs to leave in January for his sake and ours. He's not as useless and inept a footballer as he's proven to be in the last two and a bit years. Somewhere deep deep inside, there's a footballer in there whom for whatever reason or other, has failed to produce the goods consistently at any sort of decent level.

Maybe he just needs a new change of scenery as I don't see him magically regaining the form we saw when he first arrived. Certainly not at United, anyway.

 

[Gerald G]

It's astonishing the difference between Rafael and Valencia. As a natural winger you would think he would at least give us something going forward but Rafael is better defensively and offensively.

That time when Rooney pinged that beautiful pass and he cut inside then gave the ball away was shocking. I couldn't believe what he had done.
At the beginning of the season I actually thought we should have kept him but that was before the new signings and the formation change. I would be all for selling him but he signed a new contract a couple of months ago. I hope it doesn't mean anything but any ability or impact he had is gone.

He's not the same player and isn't getting any younger. I said towards the end of the transfer window that we could do with another RB to provide competition for Rafael. More so now. I hope a new right back is on our list next summer unless we're planning to give Janko or Vermijl a go.

 

[Danny1982]

He was shit long before Moyes could even think of managing United. Ever since he got the #7 jersey in fact. (2012?)

He only wore the #7 in the last season before Moyes took over.

Valencia was absolutely shite in 12-13, his fall started before Moyes came. With a top form Van Persie prowling in the box and playing nearly every minute of every game he could only muster up 1 goal and 8 assists in 40 games. For comparison even Nani who was out of favour and pretty off the pace himself got 3 goals and 6 assists in less than half of the game time. a 38(?) year old Giggs got 5 goals and 6 assists in just over half the minutes. The guy is utterly useless these days unfortunately and nowhere near good enough to even be backup.

Think about it, if he was "absolutely sh*t", would he have played 40 games??

People are being irrational now in their criticism for Valencia I see.

By the way, if you want to look at his full stats, you'll see that Valencia had more key passes (and more assists!) in that season than Carrick and nearly as many as Rooney, while making big contributions defensively.

 

[matherto]

He only wore the #7 in the last season before Moyes took over.


Think about it, if he was "absolutely sh*t", would he have played 40 games??

People are being irrational now in their criticism for Valencia I see.

By the way, if you want to look at his full stats, you'll see that Valencia had more key passes (and more assists!) in that season than Carrick and nearly as many as Rooney, while making big contributions defensively.

So he was exactly right in saying he was shit before Moyes took over...

Oh and it's hard not to be irrational when you're served the shite that Valencia provides week in, week out. His technical limitations are painful, truly painful to watch.

 

[Danny1982]

So he was exactly right in saying he was shit before Moyes took over...

Oh and it's hard not to be irrational when you're served the shite that Valencia provides week in, week out. His technical limitations are painful, truly painful to watch.

Thanks for admitting it.

 

[matherto]

Thanks for admitting it.

Nothing if not honest

 

[justboy68]

He only wore the #7 in the last season before Moyes took over.


Think about it, if he was "absolutely sh*t", would he have played 40 games??

People are being irrational now in their criticism for Valencia I see.

By the way, if you want to look at his full stats, you'll see that Valencia had more key passes (and more assists!) in that season than Carrick and nearly as many as Rooney, while making big contributions defensively.

Valencia was awful in 12/13 there is simply no two ways about it. If you want to believe everyone saying so is irrational then go right ahead.

 

[wiz4231]

He only wore the #7 in the last season before Moyes took over.

Yes he did and was so shit we ripped the shirt of his back and locked it away till we could get a player worthy of it. Di Maria.
We can all try and come up with excuses for Valencia like he's lost his pace, playing out of position etc, etc. The thing is Rafael is not faster than him, I'd even say Rafael would make a better winger then Valencia, the biggest difference between the 2 players is 1 has big Balls and the other doesn't and it ain't about confidence either, its about 'Balls'.

 

[NK86]

Followed the QPR game through the match day thread and then watched the game late yesterday and was expecting Valencia to look absolutely atrocious but, he was far far from it. Yes, he had the one moment where he completely screwed up but, other than that was okay. Guess it's just got to the point now he gets vitriol for daring to put the shirt on and step on the pitch.

He was once a very good player for us and with the attacking talent we've got, if he does find that confidence which he has so obviously lost, he could still be very effective. Has pace, strength, stamina and desire to work for the team- just no ambition in that last bit.

The fact that he did nothing meaningful going forward is considered an OK contribution from him goes on to show how low our expectations are from him now.

 

[Shimo]

The fact that he did nothing meaningful going forward is considered an OK contribution from him goes on to show how low our expectations are from him now.

The point he came on, we'd taken our foot off the gas. He still gave us the width a few times deep in QPR territory and defended as he was supposed to, so yes he did okay in the short time, same would be said of anyone else gave that performance regardless of who they were.

 

[NK86]

The point he came on, we'd taken our foot off the gas. He still gave us the width a few times deep in QPR territory and defended as he was supposed to, so yes he did okay in the short time, same would be said of anyone else gave that performance regardless of who they were.

He got into good positions and we played him in a few times and yet he did nothing of note.

 

[legball]

Ridiculous to say that he's always been rubbish. Until about 2 years ago he was pretty good for us; not world class obviously, but he provided lots of assists (he honest to God used to know how to cross) and his pace on the wings actually used to stretch opposition defences. He's a step down from Becks and Cristiano, but most wingers are.

I have never rated him. He's just get to the byline and cross, rinse and repeat, the likes of Jarvis and Downing do it too, and I don't rate either.

 

[Jev]

The point he came on, we'd taken our foot off the gas. He still gave us the width a few times deep in QPR territory and defended as he was supposed to, so yes he did okay in the short time, same would be said of anyone else gave that performance regardless of who they were.

The width? You mean he stood close to the sideline?

 

[Pexbo]

So far this season (EPL) he has:

Crosses:___.0/4__0/13__1/1
Take On's:__0/1__0/0__.0/0
Passes:_____59___61___24

Also worth noting that of those passes, 30/59(51%) 31/61(50%) and 13/24(52%) were backwards passes.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

So far this season (EPL) he has:

Crosses:___.0/4__0/13__1/1
Take On's:__0/1__0/0__.0/0
Passes:_____59___61___24

Also worth noting that of those passes, 30/59(51%) 31/61(50%) and 13/24(52%) were backwards passes.

While playing as a wingback, you'd expect even more passes forward than a winger, yet half of his are backwards? The crossing stats surprise me, I hadn't remembered him to be that bad, but it goes to show.. he really needs to leave...

 

[Massive Spanner]

I have never rated him. He's just get to the byline and cross, rinse and repeat, the likes of Jarvis and Downing do it too, and I don't rate either.

Well, you should have, he was a really good player for us up until two years ago.

So far this season (EPL) he has:

Crosses:___.0/4__0/13__1/1
Take On's:__0/1__0/0__.0/0
Passes:_____59___61___24

Also worth noting that of those passes, 30/59(51%) 31/61(50%) and 13/24(52%) were backwards passes.

And a really shit player since.

I remember a time when we used to debate over who was the best winger in the league on Nani vs Valencia. Now it's a case of who cocked up their career the most. I guess Nani seeing as Valencia is inexplicably still playing here.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Well, you should have, he was a really good player for us up until two years ago.

And a really shit player since.

I remember a time when we used to debate over who was the best winger in the league on Nani vs Valencia. Now it's a case of who cocked up their career the most. I guess Nani seeing as Valencia is inexplicably still playing here.

I love Nani, and perhaps had looked to at one stage have more potential, but AV reached a height that Nani hasn't yet, it really is a strange decline, definitely personality based though rather than physical in my opinion

 

[Massive Spanner]

I love Nani, and perhaps had looked to at one stage have more potential, but AV reached a height that Nani hasn't yet, it really is a strange decline, definitely personality based though rather than physical in my opinion

A height of shitness, you mean?

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

A height of shitness, you mean?

A height of being our player of the season, even if it is just a memory now...

 

[Massive Spanner]

A height of being our player of the season, even if it is just a memory now...

Yes he did. And his season was better than Valencia's.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Yes he did. And his season was better than Valencia's.

That's an opinion and a debate for another thread, but fact remains, one person was named POTY for us, the other wasn't , while I'd rather we actually kept Nani who is my preference, but the fact remains.

 

[Amar__]

That's an opinion and a debate for another thread, but fact remains, one person was named POTY for us, the other wasn't , while I'd rather we actually kept Nani who is my preference, but the fact remains.

Nani was named player of the year for us season before Valencia was.

 

[Massive Spanner]

That's an opinion and a debate for another thread, but fact remains, one person was named POTY for us, the other wasn't , while I'd rather we actually kept Nani who is my preference, but the fact remains.

He was though.

 

[justboy68]

That's an opinion and a debate for another thread, but fact remains, one person was named POTY for us, the other wasn't , while I'd rather we actually kept Nani who is my preference, but the fact remains.

No they were both our player of the season in consecutive years. Nani's was better than Valencia's too as he was the best player in the PL that season, fantasy football points said so!

 

[legball]

That's an opinion and a debate for another thread, but fact remains, one person was named POTY for us, the other wasn't , while I'd rather we actually kept Nani who is my preference, but the fact remains.

You're having a mare.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Come on lads, clearly got it wrong, didn't remember he had won POTY..

 

[Ducklegs]

Nani was on course for a record number of assists that season as well before he was injured.

Valencia has never been as good as Nani, I can only think it's that Fergie and Moyes got fed up with Nani taking risks in the final third and shooting/trying a risky pass, whereas Valencia would rather keep possession.

Nani has had three years of very little football, so it's understandable as well why he has been shipped out.

 

[Pexbo]

He was though.

As far as I can see he actually wasn't. He came runner up to Hernandez the year before Valencia won it however he did win players player that season.

 

[Massive Spanner]

As far as I can see he actually wasn't. He came runner up to Hernandez the year before Valencia won it however he did win players player that season.

That's the one we're talking about though.

It's also blatantly obvious he was far better than Hernandez that season so I'd take the fans one with a pinch of salt.

 

[justboy68]

As far as I can see he actually wasn't. He came runner up to Hernandez the year before Valencia won it however he did win players player that season.

Lets face it he was never going to win the popularity contest that is fans player of the year. I put more credence into the player award.

 

[Nobby style]

Nani fanbois will eventually seep into the Valencia threads like flies to shit. They can't help it.

One lost the confidence of three consecutive managers and we finally paid to flog him off. The other is still getting games. End of. Doh!

 

[Massive Spanner]

Nani fanbois will eventually seep into the Valencia threads like flies to shit. They can't help it.

One lost the confidence of three consecutive managers and we finally paid to flog him off. The other is still getting games. End of. Doh!

You mean, like this?

I hope Valencia will continue his fine form. Angry, frustrated Nani fanbois will surely be sharpening their pitchforks for him and are at this moment hyperventilating in preparation to vent mightily. Use your left peg, Tony. Make every cross a fine one. Beat your man!

Stay tuned . . .

Or this?

Valencia on everyone's list, yet you read the Valencia thread and the Valencia slaters and those butt-hurt-for-Nani have got the negative bandwagon cranking up into life.

 

[Nobby style]

Perfect example of undying fanboism.

Did you have those saved up?

 

[Pexbo]

Nani fanbois will eventually seep into the Valencia threads like flies to shit. They can't help it.

One lost the confidence of three consecutive managers and we finally paid to flog him off. The other is still getting games. End of. Doh!

"The other" is here because he can tackle a bit. His days are clearly numbered though. He won't last past next summer, hopefully January if we can identify a replacement backup fullback.

 

[justboy68]

Anyone who uses the term 'fanbois' isn't to be listened to. It's a rule of thumb that has served me well.

 

[Pexbo]

Perfect example of undying fanboism.

Did you have those saved up?

You're in here defending Valencia despite 99.99% of United fans recognising him as a real problem for United.

That is the definition of "fanboism".

 

[Nobby style]

"The other" is here because he can tackle a bit. His days are clearly numbered though. He won't last past next summer, hopefully January if we can identify a replacement backup fullback.

And the other we had to pay dearly to leave to to the depths of the Portuguese league. I wonder why nobody wanted him.

 

[Nobby style]

You're in here defending Valencia despite 99.99% of United fans recognising him as a real problem for United.

That is the definition of "fanboism".

Not really defending him rather laughing at the undying fanbois and their predictability.

 

[justboy68]

I'm pretty sure most of us Nani fanbois agreed that it was time for him to move on. No trouble admitting he's been shite for a few years now. Seems some can't do the same for Valencia.

 

[Pexbo]

And the other we had to pay dearly to leave to to the depths of the Portuguese league. I wonder why nobody wanted him.

I'm not here to compare him to Nani. Nani regressed in his own way and is no longer a problem of ours. Couldn't care less about him.

Valencia continues to be a very real problem in this United team.