It's ridiculous that he still can't speak English. Tony doesn't do things by twos does he.
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Oh I was under the impression it was a thread about this season (Antonio Valencia | 2014/15 "Performances) not his cameo today.
Yep, whilst I don't agree with the insults etc (Ecuadorian Llama sounds quite funny though
), it's almost that kind of sentimentality that's gotten us in our slump.Players shouldn't be at the club based on what they've done 2 seasons ago. Fact is, he's just not been good enough for a top 4 club for a couple of years now.
No words for that
I don't see why people keep bringing up how humble and nice he is as a reason to not criticise him.
He may well be, it doesn't change the fact he has stunk the place out for over two years and really should pull his finger out of his arse or sling his fecking hook and go and play for someone else.
He may well be, it doesn't change the fact he has stunk the place out for over two years and really should pull his finger out of his arse or sling his fecking hook and go and play for someone else.
This guy is just incredibly bad. The buzz from seeing Falcao about to come on completely vanished once I saw Valencia beside him.
He doesn't deserve abuse but he needs to get out of this club asap. I actually wish he'd pick up a niggle so we don't have to play him and blood someone else as a backup to Rafael. I'd even prefer Ashley young.
Wrong, his injury was in his second season, 2010/11.
That gif always cracks me up.
Surely his contract extension must be Giggs doing, I mean we haven't offered new contracts to the likes of DDG and Jones, yet we instantly offered one to Valencia as soon as LVG took over?
Surely his contract extension must be Giggs doing, I mean we haven't offered new contracts to the likes of DDG and Jones, yet we instantly offered one to Valencia as soon as LVG took over?
What?
It's a thread to discuss his performances, which will include his introduction today. A cameo that pretty much highlighted why he was dropped and why a large number of people don't think he's anywhere good enough to play in the team. The player he was two or three seasons ago doesn't matter, or his supposed niceness, which is up for debate seeing as he hardly ever looks like a friendly fellow.
How many times did he step on the ball today?
Sell him and get a decent backup to Rafael.
Sell Young as well and stick with 4 at the back.
Sell Young as well and stick with 4 at the back.
I laugh every time I see that gif
The only thing that i want to say is, the reason we are in this position without Cpl football is because, we have let ourselves drop to this level and accept mediocre performances, while we should have been ruthless, and not let sentimentality, or past performances cloud our judgement, and expect players to come good.
On the otherhand i love the fact that LVG has axed plenty of players and moved players who weren't good enough for us. The difference between our other players and him was night and day, i am not expecting him to put ADM's level of performance, but as a Manchester united player i expect him to be at least competent at his job, just like Blind who without being spectacular, did his job perfectly well and i loved his performance, which is similar to Rojo who was solid and did well. I expect a Utd winger to be able to beat people, Cross properly and pick people out and atleast play with his head up.
On the otherhand i love the fact that LVG has axed plenty of players and moved players who weren't good enough for us. The difference between our other players and him was night and day, i am not expecting him to put ADM's level of performance, but as a Manchester united player i expect him to be at least competent at his job, just like Blind who without being spectacular, did his job perfectly well and i loved his performance, which is similar to Rojo who was solid and did well. I expect a Utd winger to be able to beat people, Cross properly and pick people out and atleast play with his head up.
I suppose those people are right who thinks it wasn't LVG who gave him the Contract, it was Giggs, if it was LVG, he would have continued playing him, and remember that video Scholes, Giggs and Phil discussing tactics and all they had to say was Valencia i like his pace.
To end our healthy debate on his worthiness to ware the shirt: For me as a back up he very much is, esp if we go 5-3-2 as he is not a terrible RWB at all.
I have nothing more to add, but please don't boo Man Utd players on match days or even condone it as thats bad form.
Trust LVG and if he picks him or brings him on its because he thinks he has something to add to the game and he would know more than most as he trains him day in day out.
Janko will take his place eventually.
I stand corrected, however I am right about the quality of his performances when he came back from it in 2011 in our run up to winning the league and getting to the CL final, he was fantastic over that period so I don't think the injury against Rangers is the cause of how poor he has become.
It was frustrating having him on the pitch, thankfully the game had been won. I do wonder how much longer he can survive here.
He's had a couple of spells out since which can't have helped but it does seem like it's confidence. His form suddenly dropped off from the start of the 2012/13 season yet he still won the penalty at Anfield where he absolutely roasted them for pace although even that was an example of him lacking belief once he got into the penalty area. It's strange that the media still seem to rate him quite highly but he's surely on his way out next summer unless Van Gaal and Valencia can somehow get him performing again.
Playing for Man Utd does not mean automatic immunity. You want us to just be happy when Valencia keeps breaking down moves and making us play shit?
If a player is playing as crap as he is playing, for a period of 2 years, then I will not hold back my disgust.
Off the pitch he could have the nicest personality on the planet for all we care, but on pitch he has been shambles for quite a while. Most of us are simply saying he was shit because he had a shit game as usual (at least based on the past 2 years). I don't know how that makes us spoilt, unless you are suggesting that we should accept constantly mediocre to awful performances from Valencia just because he was a useful player in the past.
As for verbal abuses like "he makes me physically sick" yeah, that might be harsh, but after couple of seasons hoping for him to be good again only to be disappointed game after game, I'm not surprised.
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Do you realize when you boo the player you also boo the manager. He picks him to come on and if LVG thinks he has something to offer at that time and you boo him, really you are also booing the managers knowledge of the game.
I've got no problem moaning about his performances. It doesn't have to be personal, same thing with Rooney. His touch is poor, fine. He's a massive greedy porker with a hooker for a wife is pushing it. I agree Valencia's performances have been dreadful, it's like watching Charles Barkley in Space Jam when the Nerdlucks/Monstars steal his talent.
I think there's a decent player somewhere inside him, but his lack of confidence is holding it back. Then again, if he can't manned up and find confidence in two years then he has no business playing for United. That play in the end of the second half summed it up for me. He was in acres of space on the right, one of the deadliest penalty box striker waiting in the box for a cross, but Valencia chickened out and opt for backward pass instead, which inevitably got intercepted and the move broke down.
I agree. We have till the Jan transfer window (hopefully Rafael will stay fit) Valencia simply needs to go, hes not good enough as a winger and hes not a RB. IMO Janko wouldn't be any worse at RB than Valencia is, give him a chance and he might come good. We also have Vermijl both of them should be given opportunities to prove themselves, Valencia on the other hand has out stayed his welcome, needs to be moved on and should take Young with him.
He's not good enough even as a back up. Young is better, Janko can't be any worse I'd imagine, Vermijl can play there as well. The drop in performance level after Rafa went off was criminal.
And I heard no booing. In fact, he seems to be one of those players who gets cheered no matter what he does unlike say someone like Nani who gets booed for trying to be creative and make things happen.
Valencia needs to train up his useless left foot. With a Sunday-league left foot, he'd be making three or four crosses last night. With Valencias left foot, he had to pass it back to our defender. On the bright side - Valencia rarely make bad passes. Yes, he makes bad decisions, but even though his decision is bad, his passing is good (except for that one pass with his left(?) back to Blind or whoever it was).
Can't wait for the moment this guy's thread is no longer in the United forum.
I don't understand which games you watch but Valencia is only good for playing possession football. He passes it back and keeps it simple. Does not take on his man and hardly ever tries an adventurous pass. So if we intend to just keep things simple and not create anything, he is our man. If we want to see more of what we saw in the first half, he needs to leave for his own good.
He literally killed any attack he got involved in. What's happened to him? He has turned into an absolutely diabolical footballer.
Rubbish player and has always been. Players like this is the reason our football got worse. He only knows one way to play. I can't believe Ferguson went from Beckham and Ronaldo to Valencia, at his best I still didn't rate him. Very one dimensional and can't use his left foot.
Was very surprised he actually got a game yesterday, especially considering that Van Gaal had said earlier in the week that Shaw would get some playing time, I thought he would of maybe brought Shaw on for Rojo with it being Rojo's first game since the World Cup.
Like I said in the Newbies, Valencia comes across as a very timid character who's confidence seems to drain at the slightest mishap, And since the injury he has had seemingly no self belief at all, I really rated him before his injury but now I just fail to see what he brings to the team
Like I said in the Newbies, Valencia comes across as a very timid character who's confidence seems to drain at the slightest mishap, And since the injury he has had seemingly no self belief at all, I really rated him before his injury but now I just fail to see what he brings to the team
That's the weird thing though. He came back from the injury and looked really good. He finished the 2010/2011 really well, albeit had a shocker in the Champions League final, and then in 2011/2012 he was maybe our best player.
He even started the 2012/2013 season okay winning the penalty at Anfield and getting a couple of good assists at Stamford Bridge so I don't know what happened to cause him to end up like he is now. It feels daft to mention it after such a fantastic day yesterday but he really did stick out with how poor he is.
Sadly, he's now become an embarrassment to himself. The quotation marks around 'performance' in the thread title could not have been more apt yesterday.
Think he'll need to re-hire his agent soon.
The difference he made when he was introduced was quite staggering, in a bad way, we had all that quality and to see the sudden gulf was really quite telling. We will likely see similar when Young is introduced back in to the fray but if we're to persist until January we can only pray that Rafael stays fit, perhaps try Young over there in Rafas absence.
Quite sad to see Valencia moping around the pitch as has been, he's so obviously bereft of any confidence in his own ability and it's affecting any quality he does have, he was never this shite before the injury but he's just not got the mentality to recover. Shame really.
Quite sad to see Valencia moping around the pitch as has been, he's so obviously bereft of any confidence in his own ability and it's affecting any quality he does have, he was never this shite before the injury but he's just not got the mentality to recover. Shame really.
Why is Young going to be introduced back into the fray?
I find Anderson hiding behind Burnley player more funny then Valencia's back pass. Plus he'll get testimonial in short period for relaxing 10 years at United.