Well Atletico ain't going to have a choice if we pay the buy out clause.
I doubt they'd be willing sellers as that would piss off Simeone.
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Well Atletico ain't going to have a choice if we pay the buy out clause.
I doubt they'd be willing sellers as that would piss off Simeone.
None of those things have anything to do with how transfers go, realistically. United have arguably the best manager in world football, plus can offer a wage that Atletico won't and can't match. That's about enough to make this happen, but I'm not saying it will. To rule it out completely based on no CL football is daft though.
Both Mueller and Mazdukic worked very hard in that system. If we have Zlatan up top with Griezmann as a shadow striker then the rest of the team would be exposed defensively, esp to attacking full backs. If we are bringing in Zlatan, we need players that will create a host of chances for him BUT also work hard for the team, because albeit his fitness for a 34 yr old is great, zlatan doesnt invest much energy in defending. I personally dont think a front three of zlatan-martial and Griezmann would work well for the team, i think it would be a defensive nightmare. I think Griezmann would work best with a striker who is willing to tuck in to the wing to make a 5 in midfield if necessary and i feel Martial is that player and zlatan is not.
Though its off topic, i completely agree about krychowiak and verratti. I in fact mentioned both of them recently in one of my posts on another thread. So you and i are on the same page. i think they would be a great addition to our midfield. But as you suggested most likely none of these players will end up at United.
This.
The other way to look at it from Greizmann's perspective is that Atletico has very likely had their chances and they're not likely to ever to get to a CL final again. Speculation for sure, but it's a pretty good bet Atletico is done with their run.
We're going to need PSG's help to pull this off. If Simeone leaves, then Greizmann is leaving. No way in hell Simeone commits to Atletico to then see his best player sold.
We'll have those things next year, though, so a fella like Griezmann might prefer to wait a year.
I don't think we need him. We've plenty of young forwards in Martial, Rashford, Perrera, Januzaj, and the likes of Fletcher and Wilson should be given a chance with a more experienced core in my opinion. I'd rather we set our sights on midfielders and central defenders.
Apparenty we dont need him it seems. None of those players will be competiting with him per say except maybe Perreira. Everyone there is a winger or a striker but Griezmann's best position is behind the striker in the #10 role.
I think you're largely underestimating the defensive work that Griezmann does for Atletico Madrid. Griezmann last season, made 39 interceptions, 35 clearances and intelligently draws fouls in defensive positions to momentarily relieve his team of there defensive duties. He presses like a terrier, and tracks back. He's used to his team conceding the majority of possession as an attempt to harry the opposition, frustrating the opposition crowd into being one of anxiety than jubilation, and whilst being an attacker, a key one at that, he still does his part whilst also knowing when to conserve his energy. Also, the reason I initially said, to get the best out of Griezmann I'd look to emulate Pep's predecessor is not only due to the attacking prowess of that Bayern side, but for the most part they were a very balanced side. The defence were well drilled, and Robben and Ribery didn't shriek from their defensive duties.
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I suppose this talk is somewhat extraneous anyway (it's the reason why I didn't comment on the compatibility of Zlatan and Griezmann, as the former will probably only be here for one season), given its unlikely we'll get him, but certainly one to look out for IMHO.
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If Simeone leaves he may certainly look for a new club, and there are only a few willing to pay the price Atleti will ask, Champions League or no Champions League.
Contained in the Zlatan announcement...
"Sky sources understand Ibrahimovic is the only striker Mourinho wants to sign this summer, with the Portuguese convinced Marcus Rashford can make a significant impact at Old Trafford next season."
There will be no Griezmann this season.
"Sky sources understand Ibrahimovic is the only striker Mourinho wants to sign this summer, with the Portuguese convinced Marcus Rashford can make a significant impact at Old Trafford next season."
There will be no Griezmann this season.
Griezmann as wing forward, can play on right side of the pitch or second striker.Jose was looking at him when he managed Chelsea last time.
I think this might still happen inspite of those above reports.
Hes not a striker
Yeah Griezmann seems to be most effective when deployed just behind the striker. Not that it's likely to happen anyway.
There may be no Greizmann this season, but not because of Ibrahimovic. Or Rashford.
I just can't see Rashford being a regular starter under Jose this season, but he'll definitely be the first striker option coming off the bench.
A starting front four (in a 4231) of Ibrahimovic, Martial, Greizmann and Mahrez (if need be, Jose can reinvent Memphis as a RW if Mahrez is not doable) would be somewhat difficult for opposing back lines in the BPL to cope with.
All post are correct. But the likelyhood is diminshing with leak coming out of Old Trafford. Personally we have bigger gaps than a Griezmann. He'd not be a priority of mine.
Greizmann is at his best behind the striker so us signing Zlatan has no bearing on our desire to get him. Rooney is the big elephant in the room unfortunately which is why I don't see us going for a #10
Do you not think we are already dificult to deal with and its the creative spark(a Scholes type) where we are in short supply.
When teams go back into their defensive shape we lack the guile to break them down. Would another attacker type, a Greizmann, offer that spark. Im not convinced. Jose must have a plan for this im sure.
We have no right sided forward or good enough no10 either, he would be perfect there. The leaks mean nothing the leaks say we are selling our current right sided player Mata and only natural no10, all though I don't expect us to sign him.
I agree though I believe that Griezmann is the sort of player that you sign regardless of your priorities and worry about the team structure later. We do need a RW and central midfielder more but you don't just say no to a player of his particularly a team like ours which is going to need a Rooney replacement in the near future. Some might argue that if we were honest with ourselves we actually need to replace him now.
Lingard?
Yes I'm sure Mourinho will go into the coming season looking to win the league with Lingard as first choice RW
You dont rarte Lingard?
Hes a decent player, not a starter for want to be champions.
I like him and think he's only going to get better as he plays more and confidence grows.
I also don't think hes a very good winger. I like him as a squad player, but our attack lacks quality on the right and has all season.
Mourinho is not LvG. He won't attempt the square pegs in round holes philosophy utilised by van Gaal.
Rashford won't be an option on the RW, Young and Valencia aren't good enough, and Lingard will be in and around the team as a squad player. Moreover, Chelsea were strongly linked with Griezmann, last season, which makes you think Mourinho's a fan of his. He should be our number 1 priority. We've not had a proper right winger in a few years, now, and was highlighted by the lop sided attack of ours, this gone season.
Also, given that Zlatan is a free agent (and that we rejected the chance to sign Vardy @ 20m), makes me think we'd rather use our funds on other areas on the pitch.
He doesn't have the consistency of play well every match. Maybe just big games at times.
And we still won't if we sign Griezmann, who has made his mark as one of the best players in La Liga playing just behind the striker, not on the wing. What is the point in spending £60 million on Griezmann, only to play him on the wing?
My bad. I imagine we'll line up in a 4-3-3 formation most games, meaning, if we're to buy him, he'll play as a right sided wide forward.
Sociedad, I'm sure he played wide, also plays wide for France
Yes but my point is that we should be buying players and play them in their best position to get the best out of them. Surely it is best to play the player in the position they have become one of the world's best in, rather than one they CAN play in but not as well?
How do you know its not as well? Hes only been playing centrally recently, he has played wide for years. In any case he could also play behind Ibra for us so I don't see the issue.
Has one reputable journalist suggested this one with anything like the weight of the ibra/morata/gomes/manolas links?
one big issue - rooney on 300k and week and mourinho already saying he'll be a key player. Mourinho barely rotates at all so why would we play like that?
Then he can play on the right, the point is IF he was on the move, which is a big IF. We would most certainly want him
Don't think so, doesn't look very likely at this stage
He's better than all of them now though. You can argue about potential (and he's got years ahead in which to develop) but he's top class already. Honestly can't see Wilson reaching that level (obviously will be thrilled if he does) and he's more of a classic 9 anyway. Goals win leagues and Antoine is one of the best attacking forwards in Europe.
He was great wide the seasons before this one at Athleti tbh.
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