100m euros for a guy who scored less than Ibra last year!!!
No wonder Ibra walks around with such swagger at 35.
No wonder Ibra walks around with such swagger at 35.
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Nothing new that.
Ibra also missed a good number of chances and also missed the final month or more. If we had Ibra of 18 months ago, he would've finished with 40.
Thought so, too. Many journalists will try to take advantage from such a very obvious transfer to appear as if they're trustful.
He's not a #9, he has a fantastic goal scoring record for his position.
Can people actually verify the credibility of the journo before posting? Obviously not for everyone, but the clearly abstract sounding ones at least.
How? He's not on the banned list.
Yeah, but its still not really adding value if people post things they see on twitter from any random source that's not on the ban list if they themselves don't know who they are.
Something like 0.00001% of the fake journo's out in the twitter-sphere are captured in the ban list.
Griezman is not a pure striker. Zlatan is one of the best strikers of his generation and a serial goalscorer, its not a fair comparison between the two.
Well he is a proper journalist, perhaps he is bandwagon jumping in this case but who knows. Just ignore it if you think it adds no value.
He has an eye for the goal. He was not as good as he used to be but the guy really knows where the goal is. Generally, after a campaign like Euro 2016, players struggle to get going. Griezmann has suffered from that IMO. His off the ball movement is probably the best in the world. He will score and he will make players around him score. As long as we buy Belotti in addition to him, we will be fine.
Whether we get him or not that advert is fantastic!
It wouldn't surprise me if Woody wants to involve Drake and Beckham if we sign him, his commerciality have risen through the roof the past 18 months.
Our commercial department must see a lot of potential in him.
It looks like this is gathering more pace, but I'm still struggling to see where he fits?
He's not a striker but a second striker in a 4-2-3-1 or on the left in a 4-4-2. We're not going to start playing with two up top under Jose and he's not playing up front by himself.
So where does that leave Pogba? He only looked at his best when he was furthest forward or in a 4-3-3 on the left. Is he sitting with Herrera/another CDM?
I don't know, it's difficult to not get excited as he's clearly a very talented player. But, the last thing we need is another 'World Class talent' that we don't get the best of.
He's not a striker but a second striker in a 4-2-3-1 or on the left in a 4-4-2. We're not going to start playing with two up top under Jose and he's not playing up front by himself.
So where does that leave Pogba? He only looked at his best when he was furthest forward or in a 4-3-3 on the left. Is he sitting with Herrera/another CDM?
I don't know, it's difficult to not get excited as he's clearly a very talented player. But, the last thing we need is another 'World Class talent' that we don't get the best of.
How do you know we won't play two up top with Jose? We've done it multiple times this season, our best performances coming with two up top. See against Chelsea etc.
Fair enough - thought he was a genuine random source.
Pogba's been turning more into a box to box the last few months and has improved defensively IMO enough to play as one of the two deeper midfielders. If you asked me about Griezmann in January I would have agreed with you.
Considering our best performance of the season came in a 352 - the chances that Jose will build on that isn't really slim.
Griezmann would fit in as a striker in that formation or a bit behind in AM.
It's going to feel surreal signing him. I thought re-signing Pogba/signing Zlatan would have reached peak - think seeing Griezmann will just remind everyone that United are back. The man's a fecking player.
I see your point. It was very much a tailored game plan vs Chelsea though and it wasn't used outside of matching up to the same formation.
Joses 'stock' has always been 4-2-3-1. He may surprise next season and Griezmann would work here, but he's rarely deviated during his career.
True, hopefully he continues progressing but at the moment he is better further forward.
i can see Jose modelling us on Monaco from this year.
442 with rashford/griezmann up too, perisic/mkhi on the wings. Pogba and Fabinho CM.
442 with rashford/griezmann up too, perisic/mkhi on the wings. Pogba and Fabinho CM.
DM - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Griezmann - Martial
Rashford
Herrera - DM - Pogba
Griezmann - Targetman - Rashford
DM
Herrera - Pogba
Mkhitaryan
Rashford - Griezmann
Herrera - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Mata - Griezmann - Martial
DM
Herrera Pogba
Griezmann
Rashford - Martial
There's a tonne of ways you can fit them all into an XI and play to different strengths against different opponents. One of the benefits of him is that he brings so much to the team. It's not just going to be about putting Pogba and Griezmann into a side that magically fits them both in like a glove, just like in any top side some players have to fit themselves in and having players of that quality increases the chance of that happening. With time and coaching they'all find what works best.Mkhitaryan - Griezmann - Martial
Rashford
Herrera - DM - Pogba
Griezmann - Targetman - Rashford
DM
Herrera - Pogba
Mkhitaryan
Rashford - Griezmann
Herrera - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Mata - Griezmann - Martial
DM
Herrera Pogba
Griezmann
Rashford - Martial
We are gonna get our mattress
Jose will always use 4-2-3-1. Because it allows him tactical flexibility.
You can shift Mkhitaryan into central midfield and Griezmann as a wide forward for a 4-3-3. You can push Valencia into the right midfield, Mkhitaryan into central midfield and Perisic up top to play 3-4-1-2. Both wide forwards can play defensive with the no.10 as a second striker for a 4-4-1-1.
4-2-3-1 is perfect for a reactive manager like Mourinho, 4-3-3 is perfect for a proactive manager like Guardiola. Mourinho is a unique manager in that he does not prefer a specific style of play and so goes towards the formation that allows him to play the most styles.
He has averaged 20+ goals three seasons running as a second-striker. Very good stats.
Nope, as I said it's just a gut feeling. No evidence at all.
Hey!
Don't say that I didn't warn you.
I agree, but that by no means he couldn't push Mkhitryan for example up closer to the striker, which is where Griezmann operates.
Jose is proactive all season bar few games plagued by inhuries, with the squad we have proactive style only suits us.
For majority of the season we may be using a 433 and be fluid with systems when we have new additions who provide proper balance for all systems.
That's why I love this formation tbh. I found it with all the right pieces in it, very balanced both offensively and defensively and multiple interchanges can happen on the pitch between the players.
I'm looking forward to posting a collage of me saying that this will happen for months now.
If I get time, maybe I will get some select posts from the clueless morons that posted the likes of "why would he leave Athletico for United... a step down... etc"
Morons.
I will say this again:
United finally pay market rates for top players (fees and salaries) under Woody.
We were always trying to get "value" under Fergie/Gill. What a joke that was. So many missed opportunities for the sake of an agent fee or 5% wages.
We have never been more attractive now we pay fair prices. Shit or not.
If I get time, maybe I will get some select posts from the clueless morons that posted the likes of "why would he leave Athletico for United... a step down... etc"
Morons.
I will say this again:
United finally pay market rates for top players (fees and salaries) under Woody.
We were always trying to get "value" under Fergie/Gill. What a joke that was. So many missed opportunities for the sake of an agent fee or 5% wages.
We have never been more attractive now we pay fair prices. Shit or not.
Our bench is not good enough for a 4231 but if we get the right players we will have the squad to play any system as per requirement of the situation.
4231 is a defensive reactive system which will not get the best of pogba and herrera. But if someone like fabinho is purchased it will provide right balance for a perticular game in that system.
Any system can be seen as defensive depending on he instructions given and the players selected. 352 can be gung ho depending on the players and the instructions given to them. It can aslo be super defensive and passsive. 4231 with the right players that are pressing and on the front foot can be fluid and beautfl to watch. It can also be ridgid and used as a blockade to counter 433.
First how it's defensive ? It's very balanced between both offense and defense.
When attacking the CMF ( Pogba ) rushes forward to join the 4 players upfront, also with overlapping of full backs, mainly one in Jose's play style, so you're attacking with minimum of 6 players from the 10 , with the DMF, the 2 CBs and one fullback staying back. That's good number. On defending, most players will track back and this helps you on cutting the ball to launch the counters using those tracked back wingers and number 10. It's a formation that can attack and dominate, and can defend and counter. Very balanced.
Also if we're going to play with Pogba and Herrera only, we wouldn't have been linked with a DMF.
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Tuchel's dortmund must have been very defensive but not as defensive as that 2011/12 Mourinho Real Madrid.
The current squad is more suited to 4-2-3-1 than 4-3-3 as we have more AMs than we have CMs
You guys really like forcing Martial into your projected lineups despite him essentially being one of the biggest flops of last season. I don't think he's good enough to warrant "having faith" in him and needs to earn his spot back.
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