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Will we sign Griezmann this summer ?

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The red panther said:
What we need is players who can create good chances and players who can finish those chances. We have neither atm.

  • Pogba is our only MF player who has the nesc creativity to create anything from midfield
  • We don't have players who can dribble past defenders to create spaces
  • We don't have wingers or fullbacks who can deliver a good cross
  • Rashford is our only striker who knows how to make intelligent runs and he is still very raw and still makes alot of bad decisions
  • We don't have anyone who is clinical in terms of scoring goals
Silva would have been excellent to open up defences as he can dribble amazingly well and can read the game like the best. He has the signs of an Ienesta type player all over him.
Griezmann is a player who is one of the best at making intelligent runs and he is super clincial in front off goal.

None of players you mentioned would provide enough of those things. James or Ozil aren't much of an upgrade on what we have with Mkhitaryan and Mata. In terms of the strikers, I really don't want us to sign an Ibra replacement who will force us to bench Rashford or play him from the wings, that simply doesn't work (this season has proven that). We need someone who can play with Rashford in a striker partnership or who can operate from outwide. Also important is that the player is clinical infront of goal because we seriously lack that atm. Apart from Morata none of the players you mentioned really fit that profile and Morata alone won't be enough to solve our attacking problems.
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You're going a bit crazy mate

  • Pogba is our only MF player who has the nesc creativity to create anything from midfield
- Mata. Also, Pogba is one of the absolute best in the world in terms of creating chances from deep. Lack of creativity from midfield isn't our main issue.
  • We don't have players who can dribble past defenders to create spaces
- Yes, we've got Rashford, Mkhitaryan and Martial, arguably Lingard
  • We don't have wingers or fullbacks who can deliver a good cross
-Valencia has the highest % of successful crosses in the league this season iirc. He doesn't have many assists but his crosses haven't been that bad. I admit we do lack some crossing ability in the squad.
  • Rashford is our only striker who knows how to make intelligent runs and he is still very raw and still makes alot of bad decisions
-We still have Ibra. If you don't count him you could say that Rashford is our only striker. I don't count Rooney since he's most likely off to another club
  • We don't have anyone who is clinical in terms of scoring goals
-Ibra. Again, if you don't count him then you could say that Rash is our only striker, it's obvious that we'll buy a new one. A clinical one, trust me.
 
Peanut Butter said:
Mate, I am sure Jose has targets. I am quite keen on Lukaku. Personally think he is leaving Everton and coming here.
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Look Lukaku just doesn't fit our selection

If we keep playing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, someone like Lukaku would take the spot of Ibra, force Rashford on the bench or on the wing and we would just have a repeat of the season we just had. We don't have the wingers or fullbacks to provide a striker like Lukaku with good crosses and Lukaku isn't good enough to play in the short space or dribble past a defender, it would just be the same as this season.
 
The red panther said:
Look Lukaku just doesn't fit our selection

If we keep playing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, someone like Lukaku would take the spot of Ibra, force Rashford on the bench or on the wing and we would just have a repeat of the season we just had. We don't have the wingers or fullbacks to provide a striker like Lukaku with good crosses and Lukaku isn't good enough to play in the short space or dribble past a defender, it would just be the same as this season.
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We don't have Ibra for a while and no saying he will come back to us. Can United risk waiting?We need to be scoring goals and more than one a game.
 
The red panther said:
Imo we really don't need a player like that unless we are switching to a 4-4-2 and will be signing new wingers and fullbacks who can cross the ball. They would preform the same as Ibra has performed this season and for me it is clear that with the current group of players we have that sort of system just doesn't work anymore.

Imo we need a forward like Griezmann, Sanchez, Dybala, Neymar

Bale would fit that profile, he would be brilliant but I'don't think he is on the market and if he is he would be a major gamble because of all his injurries that never seem to stop.
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Why not? Those players aren't really relying on fullbacks/wingers who can cross. They are great at finding space and very clinical. Imagine Zlatan this season if he was slightly more clinical, he'd average a goal a game for us. That's without good crossers in the team.
 
The red panther said:
What we need is players who can create good chances and players who can finish those chances. We have neither atm.

  • Pogba is our only MF player who has the nesc creativity to create anything from midfield
  • We don't have players who can dribble past defenders to create spaces
  • We don't have wingers or fullbacks who can deliver a good cross
  • Rashford is our only striker who knows how to make intelligent runs and he is still very raw and still makes alot of bad decisions
  • We don't have anyone who is clinical in terms of scoring goals
Silva would have been excellent to open up defences as he can dribble amazingly well and can read the game like the best. He has the signs of an Ienesta type player all over him.
Griezmann is a player who is one of the best at making intelligent runs and he is super clincial in front off goal.

None of players you mentioned would provide enough of those things. James or Ozil aren't much of an upgrade on what we have with Mkhitaryan and Mata. In terms of the strikers, I really don't want us to sign an Ibra replacement who will force us to bench Rashford or play him from the wings, that simply doesn't work (this season has proven that). We need someone who can play with Rashford in a striker partnership or who can operate from outwide. Also important is that the player is clinical infront of goal because we seriously lack that atm. Apart from Morata none of the players you mentioned really fit that profile and Morata alone won't be enough to solve our attacking problems.
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Hey stop being a drama queen
I'm an optimist and the bottle is half full not half empty
You are right that we need better attacking players which tbh was obvious 3 years ago
It is a failure of imagination to limit these to 1 or 2 players the media have highlighted or are your particular favs
Also don't underestimate what a few good players added to the 1st team squad would do, it would act as a "force multiplier" improving others players and allowing for rotation of players based on fitness & form
The sky isn't falling in, I have trust to Mourinho & Ed to identify and get the targets they need
Take a deep breath and enjoy the summer, stress is a killer
 
Macern said:
You're going a bit crazy mate

  • Pogba is our only MF player who has the nesc creativity to create anything from midfield
- Mata. Also, Pogba is one of the absolute best in the world in terms of creating chances from deep. Lack of creativity from midfield isn't our main issue.
  • We don't have players who can dribble past defenders to create spaces
- Yes, we've got Rashford, Mkhitaryan and Martial, arguably Lingard
  • We don't have wingers or fullbacks who can deliver a good cross
-Valencia has the highest % of successful crosses in the league this season iirc. He doesn't have many assists but his crosses haven't been that bad. I admit we do lack some crossing ability in the squad.
  • Rashford is our only striker who knows how to make intelligent runs and he is still very raw and still makes alot of bad decisions
-We still have Ibra. If you don't count him you could say that Rashford is our only striker. I don't count Rooney since he's most likely off to another club
  • We don't have anyone who is clinical in terms of scoring goals
-Ibra. Again, if you don't count him then you could say that Rash is our only striker, it's obvious that we'll buy a new one. A clinical one, trust me.
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Yea I'am not counting Ibra as I think he'll be off but he isn't that clinical, he has the highest % of big chances missed from the entire league by some margin.

I don't agree that Rashford, Mkhitaryan, Martial and definatley not Lingard are really good at dribbling, they can dribble but compared to someone like Silva they are simply one or two tiers below him.

You mention Mata next to Pogba but Mata never plays from the midfield 3, he always plays from the wing, so I count him as a winger. If you discount Pogba, than our midfield really doesn't contribute much in terms of scoring goals.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
We don't have Ibra for a while and no saying he will come back to us. Can United risk waiting?We need to be scoring goals and more than one a game.
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Yes ofcourse we can't wait till Ibra is back

But things weren't going good when Ibra was playing aswell weren't they ? We need another kind of striker instead of the typical target man.
 
The red panther said:
Yea I'am not counting Ibra as I think he'll be off but he isn't that clinical, he has the highest % of big chances missed from the entire league by some margin.

I don't agree that Rashford, Mkhitaryan, Martial and definatley not Lingard are really good at dribbling, they can dribble but compared to someone like Silva they are simply one or two tiers below him.

You mention Mata next to Pogba but Mata never plays from the midfield 3, he always plays from the wing, so I count him as a winger. If you discount Pogba, than our midfield really doesn't contribute much in terms of scoring goals.
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You said midfield, not the central midfield. Mata is a midfielder and you can't argue with that. You also said that we don't have any players who can dribble past defenders. To say that Martial can't do that and to say that Martial isn't good at dribbling is just batshit crazy.

Bernardo is a different type of dribbler. He's a bit similar to Modric in the way that it's extremly difficult to take the ball off him and he's great in tight pockets of space. Martial is much more direct and undoubtedly better at dribbling past defenders.
 
The red panther said:
What we need is players who can create good chances and players who can finish those chances. We have neither atm.

  • Pogba is our only MF player who has the nesc creativity to create anything from midfield
  • We don't have players who can dribble past defenders to create spaces
  • We don't have wingers or fullbacks who can deliver a good cross
  • Rashford is our only striker who knows how to make intelligent runs and he is still very raw and still makes alot of bad decisions
  • We don't have anyone who is clinical in terms of scoring goals
Silva would have been excellent to open up defences as he can dribble amazingly well and can read the game like the best. He has the signs of an Ienesta type player all over him.
Griezmann is a player who is one of the best at making intelligent runs and he is super clincial in front off goal.

None of players you mentioned would provide enough of those things. James or Ozil aren't much of an upgrade on what we have with Mkhitaryan and Mata. In terms of the strikers, I really don't want us to sign an Ibra replacement who will force us to bench Rashford or play him from the wings, that simply doesn't work (this season has proven that). We need someone who can play with Rashford in a striker partnership or who can operate from outwide. Also important is that the player is clinical infront of goal because we seriously lack that atm. Apart from Morata none of the players you mentioned really fit that profile and Morata alone won't be enough to solve our attacking problems.
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While I like Silva, you are really overhyping the kid. He has potential but is far from the player you are describing. Buying Silva would have been a gamble, and while he offers the ability to take on players, he is not as creative or influential as you think. Lemar offers more of what you are describing and is more rounded and developed than Silva.

Both James and Ozil are better players than Mata and Mikhi, and are good enough to be the center piece of an attack. They would add the creativity we need in the final 3rd, an issue that resulted in Ibra dropping deep to create chances instead of being the recipient of such. When Herrera, a CM/DM is leading the team in assists then something is fundamentally wrong with the AMs.

Rashford is not developed enough to lead an attack at this level and shouldnt be asked to do so. i expect him to spend the next few seasons primarily as a LWF and depending on how he develops, he might convert to CF or remain LWF.

What we need is someone who can lead the line and hold up play not losing it to the opposition the next second expecting the ref to bail him out. Griezmann does not offer that and even with him we will still need to get someone to play upfront.

The need for a clinical striker hides the dearth of clear chances. We need players that can create easier chances for the strikers (which gives them more opportunities and builds confidence) and also contribute a substantial quota of goals. We lack creative players like hazard, eriksen, david silva or de bruyne, and bernardo silva is not guranteed to provide such in his first few season in PL.

An addition of Morata + James + DM would sove most of our problems imo. My fear with integrating Griezmann is that he would end up on the flank or stays too high to play in the middle.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
While I like Silva, you are really overhyping the kid. He has potential but is far from the player you are describing. Buying Silva would have been a gamble, and while he offers the ability to take on players, he is not as creative or influential as you think. Lemar offers more of what you are describing and is more rounded and developed than Silva.

Both James and Ozil are better players than Mata and Mikhi, and are good enough to be the center piece of an attack. They would add the creativity we need in the final 3rd, an issue that resulted in Ibra dropping deep to create chances instead of being the recipient of such. When Herrera, a CM/DM is leading the team in assists then something is fundamentally wrong with the AMs.

Rashford is not developed enough to lead an attack at this level and shouldnt be asked to do so. i expect him to spend the next few seasons primarily as a LWF and depending on how he develops, he might convert to CF or remain LWF.

What we need is someone who can lead the line and hold up play not losing it to the opposition the next second expecting the ref to bail him out. Griezmann does not offer that and even with him we will still need to get someone to play upfront.

The need for a clinical striker hides the dearth of clear chances. We need players that can create easier chances for the strikers (which gives them more opportunities and builds confidence) and also contribute a substantial quota of goals. We lack creative players like hazard, eriksen, david silva or de bruyne, and bernardo silva is not guranteed to provide such in his first few season in PL.

An addition of Morata + James + DM would sove most of our problems imo. My fear with integrating Griezmann is that he would end up on the flank or stays too high to play in the middle.
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He should be going to another club then if that is the plan United has for him. Totally destroying the kid you keep playing him on the wing. He is not a winger, never was, never will be. Keep playing him there and he won't develop at all.

Either trust in him to lead the line, which I agree he can't do yet on his own. Or switch formations and partner him up with somone who can lead that line, ideally it would be someone like Griezmann or Sanchez.
 
Macern said:
You said midfield, not the central midfield. Mata is a midfielder and you can't argue with that. You also said that we don't have any players who can dribble past defenders. To say that Martial can't do that and to say that Martial isn't good at dribbling is just batshit crazy.

Bernardo is a different type of dribbler. He's a bit similar to Modric in the way that it's extremly difficult to take the ball off him and he's great in tight pockets of space. Martial is much more direct and undoubtedly better at dribbling past defenders.
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He can, just not very good
 
Olly said:
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The muppet season is now officially open :lol:
 
Jose is at the Monaco gp.

They just asked him about griezmann in an interview ffs :lol:

They asked is he coming, he pretty much said "I have no idea, you'll have to ask ed Woodward.has known since March who I want etc"..

Wonder if he will be paying mbappe and mendy a visit while he's there :smirk:
 
KM said:
Isn't he basically saying that he'll decide his future after talking to his agents? It's on lads. Relax.
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He actually doesn't have agents, just an adviser. Who was on record just last month saying we were the first to show interest in him and have shown the most interest in him.
 
The red panther said:
What we need is players who can create good chances and players who can finish those chances. We have neither atm.

  • Pogba is our only MF player who has the nesc creativity to create anything from midfield
  • We don't have players who can dribble past defenders to create spaces
  • We don't have wingers or fullbacks who can deliver a good cross
  • Rashford is our only striker who knows how to make intelligent runs and he is still very raw and still makes alot of bad decisions
  • We don't have anyone who is clinical in terms of scoring goals
Silva would have been excellent to open up defences as he can dribble amazingly well and can read the game like the best. He has the signs of an Ienesta type player all over him.
Griezmann is a player who is one of the best at making intelligent runs and he is super clincial in front off goal.

None of players you mentioned would provide enough of those things. James or Ozil aren't much of an upgrade on what we have with Mkhitaryan and Mata. In terms of the strikers, I really don't want us to sign an Ibra replacement who will force us to bench Rashford or play him from the wings, that simply doesn't work (this season has proven that). We need someone who can play with Rashford in a striker partnership or who can operate from outwide. Also important is that the player is clinical infront of goal because we seriously lack that atm. Apart from Morata none of the players you mentioned really fit that profile and Morata alone won't be enough to solve our attacking problems.
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Up until late March, we had created more chances than any side in the EPL.
 
The red panther said:
He should be going to another club then if that is the plan United has for him. Totally destroying the kid you keep playing him on the wing. He is not a winger, never was, never will be. Keep playing him there and he won't develop at all.

Either trust in him to lead the line, which I agree he can't do yet on his own. Or switch formations and partner him up with somone who can lead that line, ideally it would be someone like Griezmann or Sanchez.
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Not that i disagree with the sentiment, but didn't he play most of his under 18 games as a winger and only really played upfront when he landed in the first team? Plus Henry played wide for a while before moving upfront. 'Totally destroying the kid' is a bit strong.
 
JustinC00 said:
He actually doesn't have agents, just an adviser. Who was on record just last month saying we were the first to show interest in him and have shown the most interest in him.
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So that definitely was his one and only advisor/agent then?
 
Jose being very coy on Griezmann there.

Without question, he wants him.

My only doubt whether this was going to happen or not was if we were definitely properly interested.

I think that is beyond doubt now.

Griezmann will be signing for United. I am extremely confident of that.
 
Maradona10 said:
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It would be nice if Jose presented a united front with Woodward.

As it is, passing the buck to Woodward on transfers like here and straight after Wednesday, puts Woodward in a awkward position where player agents know Woodward is under pressure to deliver.
 
MannyB said:
It would be nice if Jose presented a united front with Woodward.

As it is, passing the buck to Woodward on transfers like here and straight after Wednesday, puts Woodward in a awkward position where player agents know Woodward is under pressure to deliver.
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If I remember well, this happened with Roman as well when he wasn't happy about transfer business.
 
MannyB said:
It would be nice if Jose presented a united front with Woodward.

As it is, passing the buck to Woodward on transfers like here and straight after Wednesday, puts Woodward in a awkward position where player agents know Woodward is under pressure to deliver.
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All he's saying is the only part he can play is suggesting who he wants to the negotiators like Woodward. It is up to Woodward to get them in, and we've loved him for it in the past.
 
It'll spell the beginning of the end of Woody doesn't deliver Griezmann, Jose doesn't react well to not getting what he wants in the transfer market
 
charlenefan said:
It'll spell the beginning of the end of Woody doesn't deliver Griezmann, Jose doesn't react well to not getting what he wants in the transfer market
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Yep. Jose knows this team is nowhere near competing and has hinted at that in interviews. I think his OTT defensive tactics were him saying "i don't trust this team one bit so I'm putting them in a tactical safety blanket till the seasons out".

What would happen if we have an underwhelming summer, I'm not sure.
 
LennonNL said:
All he's saying is the only part he can play is suggesting who he wants to the negotiators like Woodward. It is up to Woodward to get them in, and we've loved him for it in the past.
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I just think a United front would work better.

It always used to be "We are looking at several players" under SAF, but recently it's turned into "Woodward must bring in X...".

It just puts pressure on Woodward and opens the possibility of us being ripped off by agents and selling clubs.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Buyout clauses could also cost a lot more than the initial fee and can take longer to execute
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You are correct in that clubs usually value their players higher than their market value, but the traditional stumbling block in these transfers have been tax issues. Spanish clubs reluctant to let their players go use this as a defence mechanism by refusing to help the player out in that regard. This has recently been changed with revision of the laws, such that players receiving money a lump sum from a club to buy out their contract is now classed as capital gain, which is offset by them paying their respective clubs, and hence not subject to tax.
 
The red panther said:
He should be going to another club then if that is the plan United has for him. Totally destroying the kid you keep playing him on the wing. He is not a winger, never was, never will be. Keep playing him there and he won't develop at all.

Either trust in him to lead the line, which I agree he can't do yet on his own. Or switch formations and partner him up with somone who can lead that line, ideally it would be someone like Griezmann or Sanchez.
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We are not going to selecting a formation based on a teenager that lacks the ability to carry the team. Rashford plays for Manchester United and not Manchester United playing for Rashford.

There is a difference between a WF and a midfield winger, and right now Rashford is better as a WF than as a CF. His best asset is his pace and he can better utilize it cutting in from the flank. Aubameyang, Sanchez, Higuain are some of many with similar qualities who started as a WF and later grew into the role of CF. It is the best path of development for him, as he gets to develop as a striker without the pressure and physical abuse of a CF.

Putting him in the middle is what would kill him. He will get less opportunities to exploit his pace and develop his finishing and rounding out his game. Of course he will get the occasional run as a CF, but at this stage in his career, it is better to keep him on the flank and slowly groom him. You dont develop players by throwing them into the deep end.
 
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