this bleach haired hotline blinging toothpick had his chance, sign Morata or Belotti and risk Ibra.
Antoine Griezmann| Signs a new contract till 2022
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Move on. There are quality players for way less, not to mention younger too. Next year is just too late.
The argument that we would go back for him when we dont land our other targets is a bit weird. I dont see it, only if we walked from the deal would it make sense. If he wanted to stay due to the ban, dont see what would change his mind in a month or two
When dealing with this sort of thing its always best to keep an open mind despite what you think may have transpired up to now.
ESPN really are shite.
I actually agree with your "build the bridge" business point of view, just that your previous points of "heartless club, make it difficult for Athletico to remain competitive, punishment to their fans" are just so bullshit. I know it's just the words to the same effect but if this is a business meeting those selling points would have failed you massively.
You've made a much better 2nd presentation in post 5345 and 5346 though.
No one knows the full extent of what he and us had discussed. For example, did he really make it clear to us in advance that he won't move if the ban upheld? If that's the case why there was a news he nonchalantly asked for a move just a few days before the court decision? As loyal as he appears to be now, he also jeopardise another party's big plan who has only showed good faith in him. Did he make it clear to Mourinho that he will stay for Madrid only this one season and will definitely leave for Manchester the next if he still want him? That's what he should do if he's such an honourable person.
We don't know all these little details so no one can be quite sure what is really his motif to stay despite his selling point.
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Why is this still open, what the hell is there to discuss, he's decided to stay at a team who broke the law a stupid amount of times and this is viewed as classy by a lot on here , I just don't get it.
He's not coming, he had his chance so let's move on to players who do actually want to play for us.
, I just don't get it.He's not coming, he had his chance so let's move on to players who do actually want to play for us.
Why is this still open, what the hell is there to discuss, he's decided to stay at a team who broke the law a stupid amount of times and this is viewed as classy by a lot on here
He's not coming, he had his chance so let's move on to players who do actually want to play for us.
Feel free to move on by not posting in this thread anymore.
Sorry I thought the transfer forum was for transfers that might happen, I'll move on.
Nope, its for transfer speculation. Its basically a way to separate transfer chat from non-transfer chat (footy forum).
Screwing someone over in a legitimate exchange? Paying a more than fair sum for the services of a player?
How you deem us to be screwing them over is utterly baffling. I've never denied it's a 'decent' move from Griezmann to stay, but I wholeheartedly disagree that United should give a damn about any of this. We aren't fecking screwing them over if we legitimately pay for the service of their player. The onus, in fact, is on Griezmann (not United) to consider Atletico's interests (which he appears to have done). Again, it appears he's staying because of the ban, so fair play to him, but the fact that you suggest that it has anything to do with United is simply bonkers, irrespective of your 'business experience' or whatever you claimed earlier.
To the question of "does he really interested to come and play for United", we need first to answer the question of "do you really believe that the transfer ban on AM had any chance of being rescinded?". Both questions share the same answer IMO.
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We need quality attacking players now, in this window. Griezmann obviously had the chance to move, but didnt want to. Time to move on, there are other quality players around. He had his chance
I'm sure he'll get a move next summer to someone, I'd hope next summer though our eyes are on Dembele or Dybala
Don't want anymore. I'd rather have Di Maria back and praying we dont get Perisic
and praying we dont get PerisicHang on, I'm a bit confused here:
This was the appeal. Atletico and Real were both banned in January of last year. Both appealed. Both had their bans lifted pending appeal. Both clubs were able to sign players last summer and the previous January. It was the exact same process with Barca.
Real's appeal reduced their sanction to just one window (This January) due to a far smaller number of offences.
When you appeal, you don't make assumptions you are going to win. You make assumptions you aren't and plan accordingly. You also don't look at other cases and assume you will be treated similarly when your offence is significantly worse.
As far as the ban being very, very predicted goes - it was even more than that, it was already in place!
Or am I misunderstanding you?
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My only point on this is, imagine if it was Christiano Ronaldo. We all know he wanted to go to Real. But what if United had a transfer ban slapped on us that season. We wouldn't have been able to reinforce. And he chose to stay 6 -12 months not because he didn't want Madrid, but because he felt he owed us that much for what we'd done for him.
Maybe you missed all the etiquette directed at me calling me mental. And I'll call bollocks when I see it.
Would Madrid be happy if their negotiation with Ronaldo got thrown out of the window and changed their plan for the summer because a player decided to be loyal ? Will Madrid fans love this, too ?
Your absolutely right, I took the touchy-feely a bit too far! (I still firmly believe that United as a club values our perception as the classiest club around, but I can't and haven't expressed that so well). So I don't think it's bullshit, but I've done a poor job on that. But you're right, those other posts were better considering the bunker I'm in on here ;-)I actually agree with your "build the bridge" business point of view, just that your previous points of "heartless club, make it difficult for Athletico to remain competitive, punishment to their fans" are just so bullshit. I know it's just the words to the same effect but if this is a business meeting those selling points would have failed you massively.
You've made a much better 2nd presentation in post 5345 and 5346 though.
Who cares. Imagine United fans perception.
But in your example : Us=Madrid, CR=AG and United=Atletico. We should be talking from Madrid perspective then, not Atletico ( United in your example ) fans.
Who of us will care if Atletico fans happy with Griezmann remaining or not. We should only care about own business.
Fair play. My ability to make it sensible from a United point of view is limited, I accept that. But from a perspective that the deal is still in, with both sides profiting massively in the future, from delaying a bit, makes sense to me.
Also fair play. I'm not sure what's so special about Athletico, maybe they just completely cocked it all up. But in the past, Barca was able to get one more window to stock before the ban hit. It seems like either it was denied to Athletico, or they screwed it up. Regardless, they've found themselves in a position where they can only sell and not buy, and that's the position AG is in.
I regret that it's possible you might have missed my point. I'm absolutely suggesting everyone take a walk in an Athletico fan's shoes for a moment. You've got pretty no hope for this season if AG transfers to United. You might not make Champions League. You might not be competitive at all. Is it United's fault? No. Is it AG's fault? No. But if he delays his transfer for a bit, you've got some hope at least. And you'd respect AG and United for not forcing the issue right now and waiting 6 months or a year, right?
Mate, why are you caring so much for them and why should we care about their season being affected by the ban or not ? This point is just illogical.
Would any of us be affected by them having a terrible season if he leaves or not ? Easy answer : Feck them ! We have too many problems to worry about to think or care about a club in another league. We should only care about our own business. If AG moved to us and Atletico got relegated, I won't drop a single drop of tear on them.
It's nothing transfer-related, but pretty funny that he refuses to congratulate Varane twice for his CL victory
Mate, I give up. I'm Man Utd through and through, but I understand and respect his decision and am willing to wait. You can't. Fair play.
Well, as you said fair play. Let's agree to disagree then.
Do not want. You dont turn down united and expect us to come back in for you. He can leave right now, the only thing stopping him leaving is himself. Do not want.
If the scenario you've described has, in fact, taken place, I'd be fine with it. Would say a lot about Griezmann's character too. These are the personality types lacking in modern football today, and the ones I want at our club.
It's nothing transfer-related, but pretty funny that he refuses to congratulate Varane twice for his CL victory
It IS transfer-related: Sign this guy - if not now then later. Finally someone who dislikes Real like everybody else here.
This one really hurts. I thought last week it wasnt as bad, but i feel really bad this week after thinking about what it means missing out on him. He is the best player we could buy this summer. I even do the hotline bling sometimes during the day, then i realise he wont join, what a shambles.
It's nothing transfer-related, but pretty funny that he refuses to congratulate Varane twice for his CL victory
Just love him even more now! Not often you see players do that nowadays.Now the players smile when they play against each other as rivals.
Dry your eyes mate, it will hurt some more before it gets better. Broken hearts mend themselves.
I think he's coming, just a bit later.
"And mine's a Kronenberg, mate" for any of The Streets aficionados.
Yeah he's had his chance, I agree with others saying we shouldn't give him the opportunity to join later. Aiming for Dybala or Dembele would be . I'm willing to admit I'm bitter, hope he wins nothing with Atleti and he moves to the MLS and forever regrets not joining us
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