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Genuinely, why does this even matter to some? I don’t even think it’s true, I’m photos he’s usually laughing with his team mates and he seems pretty popular around the club, but it’s a weird stick to beat some one with, just because they’re introverted.
People just dislike him and make shit up. Same as the myth that he sulks when he has competition, even though he's previously usurped Rashford and Sanchez for the lw position in 2 different seasons, when he started those seasons from the bench.

Our fans are pathetic really. We should be moving on from him but I really don't understand the hate.
 
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That's a good point, I'd say we shouldn't change our minds about a renewal based on whatever he produces this year, but it won't be the first time we've had a player magically come to form in a contract year.
Agreed, renewal should be off the table no matter what
 
Any update on him. Last I heard he was involved in full training with the team but never made an appearance in any of our friendlies.

Was hopeful that he'll at least be a space filler till hoijlund is fit and will allow rashford to start the season in his best position.

Highly doubt that now
 
I assume the coaches want him to fully recover and not risk the injuries coming back. Its a long season, we will need him at some point.
 
Why risk him in a friendly? Ten Hag probably wants his next 30-minute cameo to be in an official game.
 
What are these "injuries"? I keep reading about a new Anthony Martial injury every other month or so but I never find the details. Hamstring? Ankle knock? Toenail cut too short? Bad hair day? A quick scan of the latest news re AM reveals no details of what his latest injury might have been.
 
Pre-season and first game tells me we’re still a better team with him in the starting eleven.
 
Pre-season and first game tells me we’re still a better team with him in the starting eleven.
This is the Martial circle. He plays a decent game like an actual striker should (even half arsed). People see he's still the best option up front we have. Then he gets injured and people get angry and call him the worst striker we had. Then we play non-striker at CF and becomes obvious half-arsed Martial is still our best option. He will play a few games and get injured again.
He is broken but other than that a good footballer and still the best CF option we have. When he's an option that is.
 
This is the Martial circle. He plays a decent game like an actual striker should (even half arsed). People see he's still the best option up front we have. Then he gets injured and people get angry and call him the worst striker we had. Then we play non-striker at CF and becomes obvious half-arsed Martial is still our best option. He will play a few games and get injured again.
He is broken but other than that a good footballer and still the best CF option we have. When he's an option that is.

Hes not the best anymore, we just signed Hojlund
 
Hes not the best anymore, we just signed Hojlund
Hojlund isn't better than Martial. I have not seen anything that would suggest this is the case. Once he is fit he might change my opinion, I will be happy to admit that is the case. Maybe it's safer to assume he's a better fit for us because he presses defenders, but if that is effective remains to be seen. Mount is also very good at pressing but so far it isn't causing much trouble to opposition.
 
Hojlund isn't better than Martial. I have not seen anything that would suggest this is the case. Once he is fit he might change my opinion, I will be happy to admit that is the case. Maybe it's safer to assume he's a better fit for us because he presses defenders, but if that is effective remains to be seen. Mount is also very good at pressing but so far it isn't causing much trouble to opposition.

More that he has very good movement in the box, which is something Martial hardly offers.
 
From the little we have seen of Martial of late, he's heavily regressed. He pulls out of 50/50's, lost some pace and his work rate is down and looks like he is scared of getting injured (Rightfully so).

He isn't the player he was unfortunately and I don't solely blame him as his injuries have just genuinely ruined him and I actually prefer Rashford up top to him as I thought whenever he played he really wasn't as good as the memory of him.
 
More that he has very good movement in the box, which is something Martial hardly offers.

A fit and firing Martial suits us a lot more than a fit and firing Hojlund, in my opinion. Actually, one of the reasons I wanted Kane more than anyone, is due to his ability to drop off and stitch play. This is something Sancho, albeit nowhere near as clinical as Kane, did so well during pre season, and the reason why I'd have started him there against Wolves.

If you look at our front five against Wolves, we more or less had five runners. No one was willing to drop in and get on the ball, which is why we looked so disjointed.

With the addition of Mount, I knew this would potentially happen. Like Bruno, Mount is at his best when running in behind the striker, but that of course means that the strikers needs to have the ability to drop and link the play.

Funnily enough, I still think Martial is our most suitable choice when everyone is fit. This is not taking anything away from Hojlund, but his hold and link play is nowhere near as good as Martial's at this present time. That said, he is 20 and no doubt this is something he will improve on.
 
A fit and firing Martial suits us a lot more than a fit and firing Hojlund, in my opinion. Actually, one of the reasons I wanted Kane more than anyone, is due to his ability to drop off and stitch play. This is something Sancho, albeit nowhere near as clinical as Kane, did so well during pre season, and the reason why I'd have started him there against Wolves.

If you look at our front five against Wolves, we more or less had five runners. No one was willing to drop in and get on the ball, which is why we looked so disjointed.

With the addition of Mount, I knew this would potentially happen. Like Bruno, Mount is at his best when running in behind the striker, but that of course means that the strikers needs to have the ability to drop and link the play.

Funnily enough, I still think Martial is our most suitable choice when everyone is fit. This is not taking anything away from Hojlund, but his hold and link play is nowhere near as good as Martial's at this present time. That said, he is 20 and no doubt this is something he will improve on.
He's not been fit or firing for years

sadly his body has let him down as there's no doubting his technical ability

Last year he visibly couldnt sprint and he hasn't completed 90 mins since January 21

Shame as he is a more natural number 9 than Rashford I think
 
A fit and firing Martial suits us a lot more than a fit and firing Hojlund, in my opinion. Actually, one of the reasons I wanted Kane more than anyone, is due to his ability to drop off and stitch play. This is something Sancho, albeit nowhere near as clinical as Kane, did so well during pre season, and the reason why I'd have started him there against Wolves.

If you look at our front five against Wolves, we more or less had five runners. No one was willing to drop in and get on the ball, which is why we looked so disjointed.

With the addition of Mount, I knew this would potentially happen. Like Bruno, Mount is at his best when running in behind the striker, but that of course means that the strikers needs to have the ability to drop and link the play.

Funnily enough, I still think Martial is our most suitable choice when everyone is fit. This is not taking anything away from Hojlund, but his hold and link play is nowhere near as good as Martial's at this present time. That said, he is 20 and no doubt this is something he will improve on.

Martial’s hold up and link play last season was mostly diabolical, even when fit. He’s the only player in our squad where people cling on to an image of him on his very best days as somehow representative of his ability overall. The Martial filter makes it an absolutely insane idea to sell Fred and Lindelof a guaranteed starter.
 
Martial gonna come back on fire, score 35 goals in all comps and help United win the EPL, and start in France NT during Euro24 and lead the line alongside Mbappe and score the winner against England and lift the cup.

It happened in my dream so it is true.
 
He's not been fit or firing for years

sadly his body has let him down as there's no doubting his technical ability

Last year he visibly couldnt sprint and he hasn't completed 90 mins since January 21

Shame as he is a more natural number 9 than Rashford I think

That's a mental stat. How anyone thinks we can rely on him reading that is beyond me.
 
Martial gonna come back on fire, score 35 goals in all comps and help United win the EPL, and start in France NT during Euro24 and lead the line alongside Mbappe and score the winner against England and lift the cup.

It happened in my dream so it is true.

Martial is going to come back on fire, because the friction from his hamstrings tearing so quickly causes his legs to spontaneously combust.
 
Love him but his body gave up on him a long time ago. Needs to play in a less demanding league....
 
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He's not been fit or firing for years

sadly his body has let him down as there's no doubting his technical ability

Last year he visibly couldnt sprint and he hasn't completed 90 mins since January 21

Shame as he is a more natural number 9 than Rashford I think

Martial’s hold up and link play last season was mostly diabolical, even when fit. He’s the only player in our squad where people cling on to an image of him on his very best days as somehow representative of his ability overall. The Martial filter makes it an absolutely insane idea to sell Fred and Lindelof a guaranteed starter.

When I say fit and firing, I meant the few occasions he started, where we instantly looked better as an attacking unit. This is not me making it up, this is something ten Hag alluded to, too.

Unfortunately, he's not reliable and I'm certainly not saying he should be our starting forward, hence why I wanted Kane so much, but I take away my point that I made about Martial being our best striker when it comes to playing with his back to goal.

My worry is the fact that Hojlund is lacking in this department, as is the case when Rashford plays up top, but as I said, he's young and he obviously has a lot of time to improve.
 
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When I say fit and firing, I meant the few occasions he started, where we instantly looked better as an attacking unit. This is not me making it up, this is something ten Hag alluded to, too.

Unfortunately, he's not reliable and I'm certainly not saying he should be our starting forward, hence why I wanted Kane so much, but I take away my point that I made about Martial being our best striker when it comes to playing with his back to goal.

My worry is the fact that Hojlund is lacking in this department, as is the case when Rashford plays up top, but as I said, he's young and he obviously has a lot of time to improve.

Hojlund will blow Martial out of the water.

Reading this thread I think a few could do with updating their perception of Martial. They're still thinking of him as the Martial of four years ago. He's physically nowhere near the player he was. The pace and agility has gone. Some half tidy hold up play can't compensate for that.

The pace, power and willingness to run alone puts Hojlund way ahead of what Martial can offer.
 
When I say fit and firing, I meant the few occasions he started, where we instantly looked better as an attacking unit. This is not me making it up, this is something ten Hag alluded to, too.

Unfortunately, he's not reliable and I'm certainly not saying he should be our starting forward, hence why I wanted Kane so much, but I take away my point that I made about Martial being our best striker when it comes to playing with his back to goal.

My worry is the fact that Hojlund is lacking in this department, as is the case when Rashford plays up top, but as I said, he's young and he obviously has a lot of time to improve.

We looked marginally better as an attack in most (but by no means all) the games he started because that means we can play Rashford in his preferred position and aren't sticking square pegs in the round hole on the left wing. In terms of individual performances Martial was very similar to most of his United career. One or two games where you think maybe, just maybe, then a whole bunch more with all the usual irritations. Poor movement, never running in behind, losing all his physical battles and (a more recent addition) poor finishing. This notion that Marial is good with his back to goal comes from a very small sample of games when he plays out of his skin. He's much more often to be seen falling over at any kind of contact, down on his knees, waving his hands in the air with a glum expression on his face.

Martial played 80+ minutes twice n the league last season. A i-0 defeat against Brighton and a narrow 1-0 win over Wolves. Not exactly a transformational effect on our attack.. I don't know enough about Hojland to know if he's a better striker than Martial or not. I do know that if he isn't, we're in deep deep shit.
 
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Hopefully had a good week training and can start this game up top. We really need him to become good and fit again (hopefully it's even real). I was happy Ten Hag didn't push him in the first game.
 
Hes not the best anymore, we just signed Hojlund
We certainly hope Hojlund is better, but he has to show it before we say he definitely is.

Martial was terrible in 20/21 and 21/22, but he was better last season than most on here give him credit for. I think most agree he was good in the early part of the season, but the amount of criticism he got in his games in the latter of the season was certainly over-the-top. While he certainly wasn't great and he was struggling with his finishing, his all-round game was still comfortably better than any of our other options we have. Of course that is largely due to how poor our other options are rather than Martial himself (something we obviously hope Hojlund fixes), but the way some people criticised him you'd think he was one of the worst players on the field most weeks.
 
Think he could be a decent second choice striker for us in the medium term. Without the pressure of trying to play every game (and instead making more sub appearances with only occasional starts), that may help his injury record.
 
Martial gonna come back on fire, score 35 goals in all comps and help United win the EPL, and start in France NT during Euro24 and lead the line alongside Mbappe and score the winner against England and lift the cup.

It happened in my dream so it is true.
Sure he will Mrs. Martial sure he will
 
Nobody expects him to be prolific. He can actually hold up the ball and link play though and that's what we need up front right now.

Why doesn't he do that when he plays then. Not a Manchester United player as far as I am concerned. Waste of space.
 
We certainly hope Hojlund is better, but he has to show it before we say he definitely is.

Martial was terrible in 20/21 and 21/22, but he was better last season than most on here give him credit for. I think most agree he was good in the early part of the season, but the amount of criticism he got in his games in the latter of the season was certainly over-the-top. While he certainly wasn't great and he was struggling with his finishing, his all-round game was still comfortably better than any of our other options we have. Of course that is largely due to how poor our other options are rather than Martial himself (something we obviously hope Hojlund fixes), but the way some people criticised him you'd think he was one of the worst players on the field most weeks.
He played a few good games last season. So did Hojlund. Previous 2 seasons Martial was trash, its a case of the promise of a return to previous form based on a handful of appearances. Over the past 2 years Hojlund has been the better player.

Yes he needs to do it at United, agree. But anyone being objective can see whos been the better CF in the past 2 years.
 
On current ability, Martial is the better player. Hojlund has it all to prove, and I'm betting by the end of the season he will be the better CF.
 
Why doesn't he do that when he plays then. Not a Manchester United player as far as I am concerned. Waste of space.
He does. Not counting those two seasons where he was dreadful where pretty much everything went to pieces, but before that and again last season his hold-up and link-up play are generally fairly good. Not perfectly consistent as he does have some games where he suddenly looks like one of the best in the world in those aspects, then other games where he's dreadful and looks no better than Rashford in them, but his average level is fairly good.
 
Even though he probably won't give us much, it's still good to have him back because it means Rashford back to his favourite position and the position in which he is most dangerous.
 
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