He links up so much better than Rashford he has less career assists to go with the less goals.
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You forgot to mention the 5400 minutes less played for Martial aswell. Stats is the only thing the Rashford brigade can talk about because his use of the ball unless he scores is so bad.
The Højlund signing has opened peoples eyes to what the problem is, before the ”problem” was Martial but now people can’t shift the blame to him now they truly see whats what and who is who.
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1600 per Transfermarkt. So about 18 games a difference. So not only does he score more but he assists more, is younger and is actually available every week. Stats aren’t arbitrary or subjective. Your opinion is.
Martial will be playing for a mid table French club this time next year.
Serves no purpose to be dishonest on a football forum.
So you gonna tell me Rashford is a better dribbler than Hazard and Neymar aswell if his numbers are higher than theirs ? Alright mate. Martial links up better than Rashford simple as the eyes don’t lie.
No. Just that he’s more creative than Martial and scores more goals. Apparently your eyes do lie.
I mean the fact is that Martial at his best is a more talented and better player than Rashford and that’s clear as day. Just a shame he’s always injured and lacks the necessary hunger for it. He’s much more talented though so while he’s on form he should be playing.
What does it say about the club that we are even discussing Martial being our CF..
After so many bad seasons..
After so many bad seasons..
He has played much less minutes. His assist per 90 are much much much much much much much much much higher than Rashford. Its not even close. Martial ranks in the 85 percentile on assists per 90. Rashford in the 37th.
When playing with a striker like Højlund, a fit Martial is a much better partner than Rashford.
On paper Martial is a great fit for Hojlund. He’s not selfish, is technicall superb and genuinely excels at dropping deep into pockets of space which should allow Hojlund to make runs in behind and duel with CBs. But it’s only a short term option as the player is usually injured or unfit.
There is just no hope inside me when I seem him coming off the bench to "rescue" a game.
Might as well send him on waving a white flag.
Might as well send him on waving a white flag.
Maguire on at 85 minutes is the white flag.
He should start tomorrow. Hojlund is nowhere near ready.
Unless you define creativity purely by goals or assists. Comparing strikers by their g/a contributions you'll find out Bas Dost is a better striker than Firmino.
The truth is Martial is a technically and intellectually superior footballer to Rashford, who only has the physical edge over him. I would have added a mental edge too but these days I'm not even sure about that. Rashford's physicality often benefits himself more than the team. A bit like Vinicius before recent seasons. Meanwhile, everyone (including Rashford) plays better, when Martial plays well but you'll find the reverse is not true. Kinda like when Ronaldo was our most "creative" player but the rest of the team stunk whenever he played but played better when he was benched...
The reason most people are calling for Rashford and Bruno to be benched is because they are the 2 biggest proponents of me-ball in the team, which is fine as long as it comes off. Lately, it hasn't been coming off, and worse it's coming at the expense of team play and cohesion.
Neither Hojlund or Martial can be seen as the no.1.
So best thing to do is alternate them game by game. Start one and sub the other after 60-70 minutes. Repeat.
Martial should start on Tuesday.
So best thing to do is alternate them game by game. Start one and sub the other after 60-70 minutes. Repeat.
Martial should start on Tuesday.
Nah can't believe someone would say that, he's more talented at what?
Per Transfermarkt Martial registers an assist every 379 minutes through his career. Rashford has an assist every 363 minutes through his career. There’s a total of 1600 minutes played between them. I mean, I’d be amazed that any stats exist that requires quite so many much’s but I’m happy to be proven wrong. Do you have more reliable stats?
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Assists ≠ good link-up play, not sure how many people here are struggling with this.
Well it’s about as good a barometer as we have. They play for the same team, with the same teammates. Is Martial incredibly unlucky that the chances he creates aren’t finished? Per Whoscored Martial averages 1.2 key passes per 90 to Rashford’s 1.1. It’s a minuscule difference. Martial averages about an extra pass a game but also has more inaccurate short passes. Martial is dispossessed 2.5 times per 90 to Rashford’s 1.7. These are all facts. Not arbitrary eye tests based on bias but a statistical fact.
Ultimately the manager will continue to select Rashford more than Martial. As has always happened before. Martial’s career will be steeply downhill when he moves on.
Do you though? Go check and tell me what calculation you get. When I said a total of 1600 minutes between them I was referring to the number of minutes each has played in their career. As allegedly Rashford has played way more and that’s the only reason he has more assists.I have better maths, if not better stats
I do, every 379 minutes (Martial) and every 363 minutes (Rashford) leads to a combined 742 minutes (or just over8 games) nowhere near the 1,600. However that's also not how stats work in this instance, if you are looking at them both together you would say they would have both got an assist every 742 minutes, meaning on average between them an assist is registered every 371 minutes.
Anyway it was only tongue in cheek, I think you mentioned to write 600 rather than 1,600...
At their relative best. Martial is a better dribbler, better in the air, significantly better hold up play, better decision making. We haven’t seen many of those qualities in martial over the last two seasons so I won’t disagree there, however at their best in a Utd shirt, martial is miles better for me than Rashford ever has been.
See my edited post above.
Martial hasn’t been a good dribbler for years. People are stuck with what they think he is rather than what he actually is. Aerial ability is another thing that is easy to disprove with stats. Per Whoscored they both win about 35% of their headers. Both are shit in the air. Both pass the ball about as much and about as well. Martial is dispossessed more often though. Rashford scores more, is younger and available to play more. Some people won’t let their notion of what Martial is go.
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My apologies, I misread it.
You really live in a world of stats. Do you even watch our matches anymore or rely on stats to make a judgement? Every post of yours in this thread is a dig at Martial and or defending Rashford.
For the umpteenth time, stop using stats out of context because they don’t tell the whole story. Rashford and Martial are not even playing the same position anymore yet we have Rashford fanboys coming here to slate Martial.
Martial is a shadow of himself but he will always be the better team player and I don’t need stats to tell me what my eyes can … literally every time Rashford runs in 5 players.
By the way, do stats tell you if Rashford chose the right option for the pass? did he delay releasing the ball and the chance was gone? Did he miss an obvious pass to someone in space? If not, then stop using them out of the proper context.
I’m a #MartialOut man but I would him start over Rashford at this time at LW, although I would have Garnacho start over both.
Yes I watch them. But what we have here is people stating how much better a player is when there is zero evidence of it and the evidence we do have paints a different picture.
Rashford has more assists than Martial. So if he is regularly picking the wrong pass he must be getting very lucky in comparison. We’re not talking about a small sample here, we’re talking over their whole careers. Most of which have been spent in the same team.
I’m afraid your eyes deceive you. You’re capable of bias. The stats aren’t. Martial gets dispossessed more than Rashford and that has been a theme throughout their careers. What you think is wrong. You can have an opinion on who you prefer but the facts will remain the same. Rashford scores more, he creates more, loses the ball less and passes almost as often and creatively. That people in here claiming Martial is much better are wrong. At least based on what he does on the pitch rather than what people think he does.
And I think you’ll find it was Martial’s fan club comparing the two.
In my opinion, Rashford had only 1 (ONE) bad season for us whereas Martial had 1 (ONE) good season. The difference between the 2 is huge.
How is Martial a better dribbler and better decision maker is beyond any memory that I have about football. Maybe the only thing that he is better at than Rashford is his hold up play.
Rashford started poorly this season, true, but that doesn't mean we should swap him for Dominic Solanke.
I always use Fbref.
Hojlund is promising but clearly very raw. That means it still feels like we are reliant on this guy, which is a very unsatisfactory situation. It’s criminal that he is still our best number 9.
They’ve 1000 minutes between them on that. So 11 games. It’s not a lot is it? If you really use Fbref then you would see Rashford has slightly better assists per 90. So where the hell did you get the idea Martial’s was much much much much much much much much much better?
https://fbref.com/en/stathead/playe..._lg=1&player_id1=8b788c01&player_id2=a1d5bd30
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We could play:
—————GK
RB—CB——CB—LB
———Amrabat
Mount——-Casemiro
——-—-Bruno
—Hojlund—Martial
—————GK
RB—CB——CB—LB
———Amrabat
Mount——-Casemiro
——-—-Bruno
—Hojlund—Martial
The stat comparison is totally pointless though because Martial has been finished for years and is injury prone as hell. He never builds up momentum and as a result you can guarantee he won’t match Rashfords stats. However, when both were in form and directly competing with one another (such as under LVG and Mourinho) Martial was miles better. It isn’t a coincidence that our best ever football spells post Fergie have coincided with Martials best form rather than Rashford. He’s just conductive to much higher level football than Rashford at his best.
Martial’s two best seasons were 15/16 and 19/20. We finished with 66 points in each and won nothing. Rashford’s best season was last season when we got 75 points and won one trophy. None of what you are saying is based on fact.
Nah, that's bringing on a shovel and a tombstone
What are you looking at? Go to each player, look at their overall stats.
The player comparison I linked to and the playing time stats. I can only see domestic leagues as an option. There’s a thousand minutes between them. What stats are you using? You’ve offered none.
I mean that's a hilariously dishonest way to frame an argument
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