[AFC NimbleThumb]

Why are you lumping Martial in with Pogba, because he's black and French? Just pathetic genralisation.

Spot on.

Society is full of bigots & the Caf is made up of members in society; make of that what you will but anyone stating the crap they both get has nothing to do with their complexion can f*ck right off.

[Thats not me saying any criticism of those players is mired in race btw as I can be harsh on both; Martial in particular is p*ssing me off to watch recently]

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

I think you’ve jumped the gun there. Looks like are waiting to be offended.

I just disagree with it and its unfair to lump Martial in with Pogba. Martial has shown he has a good mentality and wants to succeed at Utd which can't always be said about Pogba. Why do you think that poster has referred to them together, they are in entirely different circumstances?

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I just disagree with it and its unfair to lump Martial in with Pogba. Martial has shown he has a good mentality and wants to succeed at Utd which can't always be said about Pogba. Why do you think that poster has referred to them together, they are in entirely different circumstances?

why don’t you let them explain. I don’t and can’t speak for other people.

 

[Maluco]

Martial is a great option to have in the squad, but today we saw the movement of a real number 9. That is not his position, although he can probably fill in there when it’s necessary.

Not a clear starter, but an option I am delighted to have in the squad.

 

[Volumiza]

Martial is a great option to have in the squad, but today we saw the movement of a real number 9. That is not his position, although he can probably fill in there when it’s necessary.

Not a clear starter, but an option I am delighted to have in the squad.

Ive thought this for years but you get hounded out for any criticism of Martial. Thankfully we have a proper striker now to highlight an area that really needs strengthening.

 

[SinNombre]

Martial is a great option to have in the squad, but today we saw the movement of a real number 9. That is not his position, although he can probably fill in there when it’s necessary.

Not a clear starter, but an option I am delighted to have in the squad.

Balanced post but will be ignored in the extremes that is Caf.

He is a good option to have as solitary #9, starting quality as part of front 2 and an excellent option as a wing forward.

One of 5 attackers that a team like United needs in their squad if we are to get back to the levels we aspire to.

 

[SinNombre]

Ive thought this for years but you get hounded out for any criticism of Martial. Thankfully we have a proper striker now to highlight an area that really needs strengthening.

The criticism that is hounded out are the generalizations that he is lazy and inconsistent and doesn't care as per the body language experts.

His core competencies work almost all the time as long as he is supported by the manager. Scoring scruffy goals in between the posts is not his competency.

 

[spiriticon]

Got a serious challenger at No. 9. Better roll those sleeves up.

 

[Volumiza]

The criticism that is hounded out are the generalizations that he is lazy and inconsistent and doesn't care as per the body language experts.

His core competencies work almost all the time as long as he is supported by the manager. Scoring scruffy goals in between the posts is not his competency.

He’s fine out on the left but I’ve always thought him just not good enough to be our main striker. I’m an old fashioned guy and like to see a proper CF up front and watching Cavani this last two games has only reinforced my views. I’d be more than happy with Rashford and Martial rotating on the left and maybe Rashford on the right even but I’m always of the mind that a good ruthless CF is the best option.

 

[UncleBob]

Doesn't play, still gets more stick

 

[DoomSlayer]

Doesn't play, still gets more stick

So you are a die-hard Martial fanboy and that's why you slate Rashford so much? Tony has be abysmal this season, worse than Greenwood. Red card, own goal, not showing anything in front of goal.

 

[UncleBob]

So you are a die-hard Martial fanboy and that's why you slate Rashford so much? Tony has be abysmal this season, worse than Greenwood. Red card, own goal, not showing anything in front of goal.

Is this another one of your fachts?

 

[DoomSlayer]

Is this another one of your fachts?

Unfortunately, it is, which is a shame because Martial is one of my favourite players. However, I don't let personal agendas affect me, I judge what I see.

 

[UncleBob]

Unfortunately, it is, which is a shame because Martial is one of my favourite players. However, I don't let personal agendas affect me, I judge what I see.

Are you both Benitez and Wenger now?

I couldn't be less bothered, i said it after last season that the three up front had proven just how good they can be, but if they fail to improve on it this season then it's clearly time to make changes to the first team, and that if Martial doesn't perform we need to move him on.

 

[Raven]

So you are a die-hard Martial fanboy and that's why you slate Rashford so much? Tony has be abysmal this season, worse than Greenwood. Red card, own goal, not showing anything in front of goal.

Worse than Greenwood? You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

I've always seen him as:

1) Main striker for a club like Lyon, Everton etc

2) Starter in a big club but more of a supporting role either on the left or as the second striker next to a top class striker

3) The type of solid bench striker Ferguson had or City initially

I think he impressed last season thougg and this season he has to take it up another level to get the world to notice that United has a solid no 9 they can rely on

 

[DoomSlayer]

Worse than Greenwood? You're embarrassing yourself.

Yes. Greenwood is still a novice in professional football, Martial is 25 in a week and should be our starting number 9.

 

[Sky1981]

I've always seen him as:

1) Main striker for a club like Lyon, Everton etc

2) Starter in a big club but more of a supporting role either on the left or as the second striker next to a top class striker

3) The type of solid bench striker Ferguson had or City initially

I think he impressed last season thougg and this season he has to take it up another level to get the world to notice that United has a solid no 9 they can rely on

Fergie wont tolerate his lazyness.

He only give license to stay up top to ronaldo. And he earnt it

 

[imonkmc]

he should learn from cavani movements, that last goal never happens with martial as a striker as he never attacks this type of cross from rashford

 

[Raven]

Yes. Greenwood is still a novice in professional football, Martial is 25 in a week and should be our starting number 9.

What's age got to do with it? You said Martial's been worse than Greenwood this season. Greenwood has been absolutely terrible, Martial has been on a goal drought but still offers good hold up play, good dribbling and good presence up front. I'm disappoimted by his season so far but there is no need to talk shit.

 

[SirMarcusRashford]

Yes. Greenwood is still a novice in professional football, Martial is 25 in a week and should be our starting number 9.

If Greenwood is some kind of novice and 25 year old Martial has mastered his craft, then i hate modern day football thats all i can say.

Martial should be no elite clubs starting no 9.

 

[DoomSlayer]

What's age got to do with it? You said Martial's been worse than Greenwood this season. Greenwood has been absolutely terrible, Martial has been on a goal drought but still offers good hold up play, good dribbling and good presence up front. I'm disappoimted by his season so far but there is no need to talk shit.

Different expectations. Greenwood has looked more dangerous, even this game he missed some great chances, but his movement was fantastic for his age. I expect a lot more from Martial, inexperience is no longer a viable excuse.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Fergie wont tolerate his lazyness.

He only give license to stay up top to ronaldo. And he earnt it

Martial would have been Ferguson's Berbatov

 

[Vaibhav Raj]

Unlike some campers in this thread, I am no Martial stan but it is unfair to give the guy stick when he is not playing the game. He is going through a rough patch as a goal scorer and a creative outlet, yes. He doesn't have the same movement and attributes as Cavani, yes and yeah he may not have score those goals that Cavani did. But Martial's got that bit of magic in him and maybe we wouldn't have been 2-0 with him starting off and getting a goal out of nowhere. Maybe. He did well for the club towards the end of last season. Time for supporters to stick by him for at least this full season and have this discussion about whether he should have a reduced role or should be moved on if he continues to perform poorly till the season ends.

 

[DoomSlayer]

Unlike some campers in this thread, I am no Martial stan but it is unfair to give the guy stick when he is not playing the game. He is going through a rough patch as a goal scorer and a creative outlet, yes. He doesn't have the same movement and attributes as Cavani, yes and yeah he may not have score those goals that Cavani did. But Martial's got that bit of magic in him and maybe we wouldn't have been 2-0 with him starting off and getting a goal out of nowhere. Maybe. He did well for the club towards the end of last season. Time for supporters to stick by him for at least this full season and have this discussion about whether he should have a reduced role or should be moved on if he continues to perform poorly till the season ends.

I'll always stick for him and he's an incredible talent, but he has to fight for a spot in the first 11 currently. I'd say it's between him and Greenwood.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Martial will come good this season. Cavani also had a very good game today. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Martial is a better overall player than Cavani but today we didn’t need a better overall player we needed a poacher which Cavani is. Martial wouldn’t score those goals today but he’ll score a different kind to Cavani and that’s exactly the point.

United don’t want to be a crossing team all the time nor do they want to be an on the floor all the time kind of side so having a balance of CFs that offer different things is exactly what we want. They compliment the squad with their differences.

 

[Raven]

Different expectations. Greenwood has looked more dangerous, even this game he missed some great chances, but his movement was fantastic for his age. I expect a lot more from Martial, inexperience is no longer a viable excuse.

The expectations mean absolutely nothing when your original statement said he's been worse than Greenwood. I expect much more of Martial than we've seen so far this season but he's definitely been better than Mason.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Martial will come good this season. Cavani also had a very good game today. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Martial is a better overall player than Cavani but today we didn’t need a better overall player we needed a poacher which Cavani is. Martial wouldn’t score those goals today but he’ll score a different kind to Cavani and that’s exactly the point.

United don’t want to be a crossing team all the time nor do they want to be an on the floor all the time kind of side so having a balance of CFs that offer different things is exactly what we want. They compliment the squad with their differences.

cavani has shown in the minutes he’s played that he’s far more than a poacher.

they do (potentially) compliment each other. But I disagree that Martial is a ‘better overall player’, and Cavani is far more complete than you give him credit for.

 

[MadDogg]

Fergie wont tolerate his lazyness.

He only give license to stay up top to ronaldo. And he earnt it

Martial hasn't really been any lazier than Rashford has been over the last 18 months or so. Before that obviously there was a fair difference, but during that time Martial has improved his workrate and Rashford has decreased his quite a lot. Realistically we should be expecting both to be better.

 

[littleman]

He possesses a unique combination of technique, strength, link-up play and finishing that none of our other forwards have. I can't wait for him to get back his scoring mojo. A few games into a strange season, and weirdos in here talking about him being only good for the bench or being replaced by grandpa cavani who's never been as good a finisher and relied mostly on running around

this is a trash opinion

this Is an MUFC board, nor Martial cult

 

[DoomSlayer]

The expectations mean absolutely nothing when your original statement said he's been worse than Greenwood. I expect much more of Martial than we've seen so far this season but he's definitely been better than Mason.

I disagree that Martial has been better than Greenwood. No goals or assists in the Prem, got a very stupid red card in a game we got thrashed. Scored an own goal in the CL against PSG, which could have thrown away a very important win.

Martial will show his quality as the season goes on, I believe in that. But he has been extremely poor so far.

 

[bond19821982]

Martial wouldnt replace Cavani but Rashford should fear for his position. He was thrash today.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Whys is this thread so active, have a day off...

 

[HowYouDoin]

Martial is a better overall player than Cavani

Yes In sure 99.9 % football fans worldwide agree...not.
Just about the biggest nonsense ever.
Cavani is one of the best strikers of the last 20 years. Scored more goals than anyone else except for Ronaldo and Messi.
Martial isnt close to him.
What a ridiculous thing to say, they are worlds apart

 

[BenitoSTARR]

cavani has shown in the minutes he’s played that he’s far more than a poacher.

they do (potentially) compliment each other. But I disagree that Martial is a ‘better overall player’, and Cavani is far more complete than you give him credit for.

I agree what I mean is that Cavani has more of that in him than any of our forwards. I wouldn’t say Martial is at that stage where he poaches but Cavani does.

Cavani is a good one touch passer, presses well and holds up pretty well. Martial though can do all that and single handedly win penalties, cut through players etc.

So different players and great to have both in the squad.

 

[Slevs]

I get people are saying his movement is nothing like Cavani's but the guy didn't even play today. Give the criticism a break.

 

[Bebestation]

Whys is this thread so active, have a day off...

I've given up on Martial as our primary striker but its nuts isnt it Literally the most active thread in the forum.

I wonder what it will be like if he leaves.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I get people are saying his movement is nothing like Cavani's but the guy didn't even play today. Give the criticism a break.

a lot of people, like me are just saying it’s good to have a different type of forward, and it really showed today. That’s not a criticism of martial per se, and there’s no reason why they both can’t play and work well.

 

[HowYouDoin]

I get people are saying his movement is nothing like Cavani's but the guy didn't even play today. Give the criticism a break.

Why?
Cavani is clearly a much better player. There is no logic whatsoever in playing Martial over Cavani. We are seeing the difference between a great player which Cavani was and he still has plenty of it in him and between Martial who is only a good player. Massive difference.

Clearly Martial deserves to be criticized for his overall play even if he didnt play cuz we are seeing the difference that a true world class number 9 brings.
Why are we supposed to beat around the bush and care for Martials feelings? He definitely deserves to be criticized tonight.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Yes In sure 99.9 % football fans worldwide agree...not.
Just about the biggest nonsense ever.
Cavani is one of the best strikers of the last 20 years. Scored more goals than anyone else except for Ronaldo and Messi.
Martial isnt close to him.
What a ridiculous thing to say, they are worlds apart

Martial can do more things that Cavani can’t.

Cavani has better experience and striking instincts than Martial but talent wise Martial is better.