To be fair to Ole, he really likes Pogba too and he did drop Pogba at the start of the season until he discovered his mojo.
Similar treatment is needed for Martial.
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To be fair to Ole, he really likes Pogba too and he did drop Pogba at the start of the season until he discovered his mojo.
Similar treatment is needed for Martial.
Yeah that is exactly what will happen and make others think dire performances are acceptable
I love this rewriting of history going on here. Martial shows a lack of effort in one game yet here we are talking about his laziness throughout the season. Classic shit posters.
The concept of competition for places drives a lot of the best players on to do better. Martial is an anomaly at Utd at least, where he seems to mentally check out like it’s a slight against him that we brought in Zlatan, Lukaku, Sanchez and Cavani.
When each of those four came in, his stats and form drop through the floor.
Most recently when Sanchez came in January 2018, Martial doesnt score for the rest of that season.
Cavani comes in and his form drops through the floor again.
When each of those four came in, his stats and form drop through the floor.
Most recently when Sanchez came in January 2018, Martial doesnt score for the rest of that season.
Cavani comes in and his form drops through the floor again.
Yeah I saw somebody on Facebook saying that Klopp would still take Tony, not a chance in hell does he accept that pathetic level of effort and we should not have to ever carry players because they can't be bothered to put in the effort at all
Fukk the race card cynically wheeled out here. Ole, De Gea, Lindelof, Maguire and James have all come under heavy criticism here.
Martial is in a deep hole right now and whatever decisions might be made about him in the summer the reality is that he’s on the squad now and has been woeful most of this season. We need to win games and that means playing those who are performing and benching those who are not. Bench Martial and let him earn his spot back, but please — Ole, please — do not let Martial coast any longer.
Martial is in a deep hole right now and whatever decisions might be made about him in the summer the reality is that he’s on the squad now and has been woeful most of this season. We need to win games and that means playing those who are performing and benching those who are not. Bench Martial and let him earn his spot back, but please — Ole, please — do not let Martial coast any longer.
Martial will disintegrate mentally if this treatment is meted out to him. He is fragile. We just need to accept the fact that he is never going to be our primary striker with his inconsistent displays.
We need to cut our losses and move on, especially with the wages he is on.
Yeah how many times are we going to have this bloody race card wheeled out when I would happily go in on any of the players if I don't think they are putting in at least the minimum level of workrate. Like you say Tony is coasting too much at the moment and Ole needs to show the balls to make a statement that this just isn't acceptable at the club
The trouble is who will buy him in this utterly diabolical form right now
Agreed, the problem we have is that the Glazers love him. He could be a backup at best, even then I am not entirely sure due to his attitude.
I am a massive Martial fan and we all know that he is not in form atm but he wasn’t the worst player on Wednesday(Rashford,David and Axel were equally as bad)
What I don’t understand is the kind of insult we give to our players
This is someone child and Family
For him and his family to racially abused is totally unacceptable
We have got to be careful of the kind of abuse we aim at this kids
Nobody would accept this kind of abuse at their place of work
I don’t know if it a race or even an anti french thing but we should be supporting our players in difficult period
Pogba had the same kind of abuse when he was playing badly
It’s just a game people
What I don’t understand is the kind of insult we give to our players
This is someone child and Family
For him and his family to racially abused is totally unacceptable
We have got to be careful of the kind of abuse we aim at this kids
Nobody would accept this kind of abuse at their place of work
I don’t know if it a race or even an anti french thing but we should be supporting our players in difficult period
Pogba had the same kind of abuse when he was playing badly
It’s just a game people
Thing is that we are at the stage where Ole will be wanting to really imprint a style of play onto this team, some argue we don’t have that yet...
All the more reason to have players with 100% the right attitude.
Laziness is like a disease, it infects those around you. It’s not long before you get players thinking ‘Why should we run so hard when Tony gets to mooch about after only scoring 2 goals all season.’
How much criticism Luke Shaw has come under because of his build. He is Lazy, he is fat etc... Its pathetic to play the race card. Martial, Pogba, Rashford have all been on the other side of criticism when they have played well too.
Look for the final time it is not a race thing I would give the same criticism whatever the skin colour of a player, yes I completely agree that Tony's wife should not be abused on social media as that is bang out of order. However as fans we should not have to treat our delicate players with kid gloves just because we are afraid of hurting their feelings. He is quite simply not even offering a minimum level of workrate and that for me deserves absolutely hammering
Does Martial deserve the chance to prove himself for the rest of the season or do you drop him accepting you want him gone?
I presume he's talking about the racial abuse he and Tuanzebe got on social media. It's been widely reported.
No point in selling him as we’d get maybe £20m for him and we know he has talent. His mental state has always been in question though, and at the moment it just seems like he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He’s never in the box when he’s needed, his link up play is really poor this season and when he makes a mistake you can see it plays heavily on his mind.
The problem with dropping him for the rest of this season is that gives us no chance of finding a buyer in the summer, however I don't agree with him just coasting in the team with such a pathetic level of workrate as others will think it's ok to do the same as well
Ole has previous of playing players right through a season knowing they’ll be cut in the summer so I reckon he still has time to turn it around and some credit left in the bank from last season even though he tailed off badly and hasn’t picked up at all this season.
We need to take a hit and cut our losses. Maybe we will find someone like Inter to take him off our books. He is still young so I am confident that we can move him out if absolutely necessary. His wages are going to be a problem though because we were foolish enough to offer him 250k a week.
Dropping him will be mutually beneficial. He gets taken out of the firing line and us as a team have one less player to carry who's just not pulling his weight atm, he's offering us next to nothing right now.
As for selling him if the right fee came about I think we would be stupid to not sell...
Glazers don't love him. They refused to sell him when Mourinho wanted to sell because it would have cost a bomb to replace a player of that age and profile. He is a company asset and a temporary employee isn't going to dictate asset sales.
Now they risk not recouping any money off him and we have higher profile players than him in the team so the Glazers should be far more comfortable selling him if the right offer comes around.
He should be coming on now as a hungry sub (swap with Cavani) and take it from there. You just know he’ll come on and walk around though so not really sure what to do
Then so be it, natural selection no time to carry weak ass players.
Anthony is a confidence player and only gets confident when he scores. Dropping him will do the opposite of what we want to do. The flip side of that is he's just not consistent enough to be our no. 9 and needs to be dropped to the bench.
He's had his chances too many times now and delivers for a bit before not producing anything. I said this before he signed his last contract too, but then wanted to give him time due to his age. He's not improving enough and in my opinion we need to replace him this summer. Mason is too young to lead and I don't think Rashford is an out and out no. 9.
No. You drop him and see if he gives everything in training to make a comeback. If he doesn't, you try to talk to him and make him find a new club.
If nothing works, you end up paying him s**t load of money for doing a Bale at Real.
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He's the 4th most followed player in China. That's... erm... unexpected.
Interesting....I guess there ain't many chinese fans over here then...
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He's the 4th most followed player in China. That's... erm... unexpected.
Really I’m sure you get a torrent of vile abuse if you have a bad day at work or School
It is not an acceptable thing for middle age people or any one at all to be hurling vile abuse or hate words at young people
It is really outdated and has to stop.
In what other line of job would this be acceptable?
It is a cowardly act and it’s time to change this disgusting act.
This...
I watched the game back and he worked hard the whole game. There was one incident were he tried a pass to Cavani and when it didn't work he did a shoulder shrug and stood still. I imagine that's what people are judging him on. He's not doing himself any favours with that sort of body language but it's wrong to think he was doing it all game.
He's low in confidence as it is so dropping him can only help at this stage. Cavani has to get a run of games now with Martial deputising. He's a good attacker but he'll never be great. So be it.
Agree. He had a poor game but he was definitely making runs and trying to do more. I'd have wanted him to run back, more because of him needing to get some fans back on side, but we had 6 to 4 on that turnaround after Matic's ball to him which was an odd one too, given he didn't position himself for a return.
I love what Cavani is bringing with the hunger and work rate, but let's not pretend his scoring every time he plays and hasn't had some woeful misses and missing performances.
What is true though, is we have a higher win % when Martial plays than when he doesn't and he is more productive up top than when he's on the wing. The problem is, it is just not clicking for him at this moment and it's sad to see the way fans are acting like he's always been dreadful.
Tough call tomorrow. On form he deserves to be dropped as if he plays and struggles Ole out fans will be licking their lips. If Ole plays him and he turns it around, during a tough week for him from the media and racist fans, it could be a masterstroke of showing faith to our best player last year.
Except that's just not true.
Yes, the season we signed Zlatan his form dropped significantly. But that was also the season he had serious personal issues when he broke up with his wife/girlfriend and mother of his child and she went very public with it, plus it was the first full season he was playing on the left. Both of those are more likely to have been impacting him rather than Zlatan being signed in itself.
When we signed Lukaku he spent the first half of that season as our best left winger. He literally started that season with 5 goals and 5 assists in the first 370 minutes (equivalent of 4 games) he played . Mourinho kept trying to drop him for Rashford purely because he liked Rashford more, but eventually even he had to admit that Martial was playing better and helping the team perform better so installed him as first choice. For a month or two then Martial was our simply best attacker.
At that point we signed Sanchez and forced him into the team by moving and dropping Martial, despite the fact Sanchez never got remotely close to how Martial was playing. Yes he was poor when he was played on the right, but he only got the chance to play about four games on the left again that season. He was poor in a couple of them but he was also good in a couple of them, but then got dropped straight away again so couldn't get a run despite Sanchez stinking up the place. The following season Mourinho was about to get fired and finally gave him a run of games again in desperation, and Martial (along with Pogba) dragged our team to victories and kept him in the job.
This season his form has obviously plummeted so I guess there's a chance it's related to Cavani, but I doubt it. I don't think any of the other three examples are a good testament to it. For me it's more likely he just started the season in very poor form and then unfortunately hasn't been mentally strong enough to dig himself out of it. Which is obviously a big problem in it's own right.
What on earth is vile abuse about saying that he isn't showing enough workrate for the team and should be dropped as a result of that, could you possibly explain that to me so I can understand what I said that clearly you thought was so wrong for some reason.
It wasn’t aimed at you
Just a general post but If you don’t think football players get vile abuse after a loss on match day..come back on here when we next lose a match
It’s not a nice place to be and this kind of abuse is much worse on Twitter and instagram
I will always criticise if I don't think a player is doing enough for the team but certainly won't cross over the line
More bullshit. Excellent.One game?
Hes probably the laziest player in the clubs history
Edit: He works harder than Rashford for a start.
whatever man I'm not arguing with you.If you want to keep your head up your arse work away.
The rest of us see him for what he is. A lazy passenger of a player.
This is the Martial thread so its about him. Waste of time comparing him to Rashford.
Let's not turn this into a Rashford vs Martial debate. He has already been torn to shreds in his thread, same like Martial.
I don't think a player performance thread has been this active since Rashford vs Newcastle away last season(scratch that, Pogba's threads are always active). I think this performance by Martial was the straw that broke the camel's back for most.
We are not bringing any striker/winger this window and Cavani is 33. So, he still has time to turn this around. Us fans are fickle, after all. But we need a striker and winger in the summer, if we ever have plans of being serious.
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