You are the one who is arguing thats not what he is doing though...
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you just said he drops deep. I'm done here man, you're an idiot.
Good point. I think people have been very to quick to forget just how dreadful Rashford's performances were when Martial was out and he was forced to play centrally on his own. Rashford has been our best player this season and I'm a big fan but my god that was a bad patch of form.
Martial is the better number 10 but he doesn't impose himself enough in games in my opinion and if it comes down to it I'd rather have Rashford playing as the left forward role. I hope i'm wrong but I think Martial will leave the club in a few years time, especially if we play with one central striker. Rashford should have the left forward role as his for years to come.
Martial is playing his role well, the problem is with Rashford's injury we don't have players occupying the goal scoring positions. Hopefully we will sign one more RW who is goal threat. Martial dropping deep with Rashford and RW making the runs would create many chances.
Greenwood is also option but he is young and should be rotated instead of overplaying him.
cannot think of a single league winning team. City have Aguero, Bayern Lewa, Barca Messi/Suarez, Juve Ronaldo PSG Icardi
he is a good utility option to play anywhere across the front line. His Role for a top side should be the same for France. good back up option.
He is better than players we have, players we had in the past and players we will have in the future.
AMEN.
Only an idiot can be in the stands and not see his striker dropping deep
Almost an impossible to criticise any true talent in this team as the supporting cast is so poor. We are expecting our better players to perform when they are reliant on others who can't even do the basics. You will see more and more errors from our better players as they are having to compensate for other players failures whilst trying to resolve their own.
Teams are the sum of all their parts, we have some young talent but they are reliant on players that arguably would not get into top championship teams. Surely in a team sport this must impact on your game?
scores 1 goal every 3 games, whilst offering very little in terms of holdup play, pressing etc.
take the blinkers off folks. hes just not good enough or hes not got what it takes to realise his potential. if he snatches at chances and misses them, or if his first touch lets him down becasue hes not 'on it' in a game, thats on him, you cant blame anyone else. sums up utd over the last 7 years, false dawns FC.
take the blinkers off folks. hes just not good enough or hes not got what it takes to realise his potential. if he snatches at chances and misses them, or if his first touch lets him down becasue hes not 'on it' in a game, thats on him, you cant blame anyone else. sums up utd over the last 7 years, false dawns FC.
He is closer to 1 in 2 and he his hold up and link up is fine. Lately his finishing has been off though which is unusual for him
49 goals in 156 games in premier league and champs league. thats not anything to get excited about.
I have never seen this 'world class' talent in this bloke. I frankly don't like him as a United player. His attitude is rotten and his talent is 'good' at best, in my opinion.
I think Mason has to start from now on to be honest.
If he doesn't I don't think we have enough goals in the front 4. Look at the 3 behind Martial yesterday, none of James/Mata/Andreas will get close to 10 goals this season. Fred and Matic aren't going to become regular goal scorers either.
It puts us utterly reliant on Martial to score. I'd play Greenwood upfront with Martial.
If he doesn't I don't think we have enough goals in the front 4. Look at the 3 behind Martial yesterday, none of James/Mata/Andreas will get close to 10 goals this season. Fred and Matic aren't going to become regular goal scorers either.
It puts us utterly reliant on Martial to score. I'd play Greenwood upfront with Martial.
Never has been consistently good enough. Has moments and flashes but all the rumours from various former managers that he doesn't have what it takes to be a top striker seem to be correct.
He's probably Gabriel Jesus level. Jesus scores because he gets it on a plate by some of the best players on the planet but is not deemed good enough to lead the line for City.
Problem is, there's a list of 101 things to improve and he's on it.
He's probably Gabriel Jesus level. Jesus scores because he gets it on a plate by some of the best players on the planet but is not deemed good enough to lead the line for City.
Problem is, there's a list of 101 things to improve and he's on it.
Could you explain how you did those maths? 132 apps 42 goals in the PL is not even 1 in 3 mate.
199 apps, 59 goals in all competitions... Dangerously close to 1 in 4 rather than 1 in 2...
His finishing was way above his average for a few games this season, hence your recency bias and why you think he's on better stats than he actually is.
He is ok but just really mentally weak, no drive, will never reach elite tier. Not worth 250kpw but he's better than our other forwards, bar Rashford.
Speaking of this season which is the one where he has played as a striker and not a LW. 11 goals in 25 games is closer to 1 in 2.
He played many games as a sub. Check his mins per goal, it's decent.
Probably tired, and it's affecting his composure and technique. Even his touch is off sometimes, which for Martial is usually spot on.
First season since he's come to Man Utd that he's played a pressing game, so it's to be expected though.
Well imo even strikers at the lower clubs who are surrounded by mediocrity often will have more impactful games than Martial (note- i'm not saying they're better just that they get in the game more). It just happens too often with Martial that for 30 or 40 minutes you can actually forget he's playing, just like last night. Even when Rashford had a dip in form or when Rooney was playing in his final years here we at least saw them get involved even if it was just making a mess of things. With Martial he drifts out of games too much.
He's a very talented player but i'm not sure what his best position is (wide forward or number 9?) and I don't think he does enough in games. When we get another striker and if Rashford stays fit then i'm not sure he keeps his starting place.
If he gives up, then send him elsewhere. Playing for this shirt means you have to give the extra 10% in your 100% performance. If Martial sees service is crap and does nothing then he doesn't deserve to start. What pisses me off the most in him is that his first season he was exceptional but failed to evolve as a player in the past couple of years, we can all blame Jose for his man-management but also part of the blame falls on Martial. Rashford is less technically gifted than Martial but he tries and tries, sometimes he frustrates the shit out of us but the will is there to always try to shoot, score etc. Tony is too much luxury lately, if his buds (Mason and Marcus) aren't playing next to him and Pogba is not crossing for him, he sulks. I know he has a huge amount of talent but I wish he gets the balls to carry on the job on the field. I can't believe a striker of his potential cannot score 1 goal at least against a shit side like Burnley.
ffs, did he stop scoring too unless AWB improves his dribbling style?Has it though? Or are we just accustomed to him putting away shots on goal at a relatively high percentage because he takes so few of them in comparison to other strikes and then makes them at a good rate?
In the Liverpool game you saw easy misses from the likes of Salah and Mané. The latter never scored, the former scored at the end of the game when we were throwing the kitchen sink at them.
I'm not comparing Martial to them but his finishing is usually fine. The problem with him is that he doesn't receive that many really good chances during a game. One reason for that was his movement but I feel like that has improved lately. Often enough, runs of his are simply not rewarded with good passes because we lack players who can pass the ball properly when it comes to feeding our strikers.
Rashford and him compliment each other well and help each other into chances. Other than that, our front line needs improvement, meaning both Pereira and James need to be replaced. Greenwood is a great backup for both Martial and Rashford for now, but we need other types of player to compliment them.
His movement is terrible. Unless the defence is really open he doesn't do anything.
I understand why people say he's not a 9, he doesn't lead the line well.
I do think it's crazy to call him a 9.5 or 10 when his passing and creativity are bad.
I do think it's crazy to call him a 9.5 or 10 when his passing and creativity are bad.
That solo run he went on in the first minute I felt quite assured we were in for a good night and then the team just went to turd. He had a couple of half chances that by his standard I’d expect him to score but not gonna chew him out for it.
He did make good runs yesterday and his ability to take a ball down hold up a couple of defenders and still come out with the ball has been really impressive. It’s just a shame that when he drops, no one looks to go beyond him.
Yesterday was awful in that he;d come out and get involved with the passing back and forth in front of 8 Burnley players.
When he did make the runs again nobody can play the pass or willing to do so.
He did make good runs yesterday and his ability to take a ball down hold up a couple of defenders and still come out with the ball has been really impressive. It’s just a shame that when he drops, no one looks to go beyond him.
Yesterday was awful in that he;d come out and get involved with the passing back and forth in front of 8 Burnley players.
When he did make the runs again nobody can play the pass or willing to do so.
He needs Pogba , hes the only one that can spot the runs, and has the quality and range of passing to unlock defences
I'm sure he does but he needs Rashford & Greenwood more.
He wants to drop deep than be in the box - his first move is always to make a pass before making a run in to the box - when he does that he is usually clinical. When he is in the box, dropping deep, holding up play, and asked to finish the chance as the main forward - he isn't clinical at all because he is better at making space and opportunity for others than for himself.
Never quite lived up the hype that surrounded him when we bought him, the most expensive teenager in the world.
It would be interesting to see him at a better club to see if he improves but he’s been here quite a while and I doubt he’ll improve massively.
I’d like to see him replaced.
It would be interesting to see him at a better club to see if he improves but he’s been here quite a while and I doubt he’ll improve massively.
I’d like to see him replaced.
I don't think he has been that impressive. He has shown potential there, but this was a perfect opportunity for him to shine. He made a few runs but he was also stationary, lacking imagination in his movement, I don't think you can excuse that. Other players aren't good enough but when they did find him after he managed to hold defenders up, the ball either got lost between his legs, he used too much time or simply made the wrong pass. These are things we've seen from Martial out wide when he is struggling. I'm hopeful he can keep playing as a striker because there really is no reason for him to feck up as much as he has been doing lately in that position, he has the skills to do very well there. If he can gather some form soon, and gain more experience in the position then some day I think he might shake these inconsistencies in his play.
People going to hate him even more than Rashford when martial was off injured.
Good knowing you Martial & I hope you enjoyed your time here.
Good knowing you Martial & I hope you enjoyed your time here.
Really? What top striker from our past is Martial better than? RVN? RVP? Sheringham? Cole? OGS? Yorke? Martial is not better than any of them, and never will be. Martial would be lucky to get on the bench on previous teams in the past; in fact, I doubt he would even be at the club.
And if you think Martial is some kind of benchmark for future strikers, then we really are in a mess.
Its very hard to shine when your team mates make life extremely difficult for you. he also can’t make runs all the time. If they are sitting deep and we’ve pushed the, back he has to come deep so he can either make something happen or then make a run from a deeper position. He can’t live on the shoulder of a defender and just run forward.
As for his passing I don’t really get where this new slant that he is rubbish at passing is coming from? He’s a very good passer. Often the only one trying to execute the difficult ball that does damage in tight areas where no one else is willing to operate.
I do think the one where Mata left the ball a better first touch and he scores or at least gets a shot off. Was caught on his heals a bit and the one Bissaka put in looked to me like he wasn’t really thinking it would get there. Which really he should be anticipating always that the ball is gonna come to him but with service like our players around him don’t serve up I wouldn’t really blame him.
Good post, he's the caf's whipping boy again now though so this will fall on deaf ears.
You said "player". he is better than players we had in the past but since you asked, as a 9; Martial is better than Welbeck, Owen, Alan Smith, Larsson, Falcao, Rashford (CF), Lukaku (2nd season), Rooney (later years although I feel like omitting Rooney because he was a different level to Martial as a 9 generally but he did start as our main 9 when he was shit.)
Based on minutes played Martial scored 1 goal every 2.34 games in the PL regardless of his position. And 1 goal every 2.22 games as a striker.
Was a decent post and I do think you might have a point, but in my book he has been pretty bad for 3 games. He wasn't exactly great before that, but these last games he has been poor for his standards. There is nothing wrong with admitting that.
I agree. Take note of how often we have the ball in the last third and play appears held up. There are no penetrating runs.
This is Martial’s fifth year at the club!!!
I'm pretty sure there's no way he will be our main striker long term. 2 seasons at best from now and I expect us to have a leading striker with Rashford on the left while Martial will be degraded to the bench. He's a good player as an option, but he hasn't been that exceptional in any position to not warrant a replacement if we desire to become more consistent and challenging team.
People were previously asking who would end up being better between him and Rashford and I guess we got the answer. After this season I can see Rashford being a long term left forward for United, while can't say the same at all about Martial. He's simply too inconsistent and lacks the killer instinct you will want from your prime striker. He will be replaced by someone else in 2 years at most as I said imo.
People were previously asking who would end up being better between him and Rashford and I guess we got the answer. After this season I can see Rashford being a long term left forward for United, while can't say the same at all about Martial. He's simply too inconsistent and lacks the killer instinct you will want from your prime striker. He will be replaced by someone else in 2 years at most as I said imo.
That's just irrational opinion. Many strikers/forwards we had were better than him. And he's not a GOAT to make it impossible to have better striker than him in the future. His best season is 17 goals in all competitions (and 11 goals in the League).
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