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Not sure I ever see him bagging 20 league goals.
I can totally see him bagging 20 league goals and more, just not with the team presently constructed.
Not sure I ever see him bagging 20 league goals.
I think you accept Firmino’s output when the team is working as well as it does around him, but Martial doesn’t have that role at United. He offers nothing close to what Firmino does when not scoring. Martial’s supporters would argue his finishing is his strength, but he neither has the intelligence nor the workrate to make the runs to make the most of that. Rashford’s a much better player for that reason.Would you take Firmino? If Martial has Rashford to his left and a Salah-type player to his right he wouldnt have to score 20 goals himself.
Today alone he made 2 such runs that he should have been found with relative ease but was let down by James.but he neither has the intelligence nor the workrate to make the runs to make the most of that.
I’m probably guilty of flip flopping on Martial as much as anyone. I did note Van Persie on that too, but I think that is more true of Rashford than Martial.Today alone he made 2 such runs that he should have been found with relative ease but was let down by James.
Also, didn't Van Persie say that he saw Rashford and Martial make great run after great run and just get ignored by teammates (who don't have the vision or technics to execute the pass)?
Such boring old cliches. Get some new material.I think you accept Firmino’s output when the team is working as well as it does around him, but Martial doesn’t have that role at United. He offers nothing close to what Firmino does when not scoring. Martial’s supporters would argue his finishing is his strength, but he neither has the intelligence nor the workrate to make the runs to make the most of that. Rashford’s a much better player for that reason.
This.Such boring old cliches. Get some new material.
Are you going to still dismiss them as cliches when Martial is 28 and is still only doing it sporadically?Such boring old cliches. Get some new material.
When you're banging on about his lack of intelligence and work rate, everyone can tell you haven't been watching him in any great detail this season. For a striker to score consistently, they need service.Are you going to still dismiss them as cliches when Martial is 28 and is still only doing it sporadically?
Please don’t bother with the ad hominem attacks. I literally watch every minute United play and watch however much highlights, analysis and reruns on top of that.When you're banging on about his lack of intelligence and work rate, everyone can tell you haven't been watching him in any great detail this season. For a striker to score consistently, they need service.
Please don’t bother with the ad hominem attacks. I literally watch every minute United play and watch however much highlights, analysis and reruns on top of that.
Yeah, he could benefit from better service, but I see someone like Rashford benefitting it from a far greater extent. Martial gets better service than most forwards from bottom half PL teams, but is still is only getting a similar level of chances to most of them. That’s not down to service. That’s down to not attacking the six yard box when your winger or full back is on the byline.
Us creating chances requires him dropping deep, as seen again today, with this in mind, why are our wide players brainlessly crossing into an empty box when simple cut backs are on the cards? Until we can create consistently without him dropping into midfield, it will be very difficult for him to get across the 6 yard box. We are best off looking for cut backs.Please don’t bother with the ad hominem attacks. I literally watch every minute United play and watch however much highlights, analysis and reruns on top of that.
Yeah, he could benefit from better service, but I see someone like Rashford benefitting it from a far greater extent. Martial gets better service than most forwards from bottom half PL teams, but is still is only getting a similar level of chances to most of them. That’s not down to service. That’s down to not attacking the six yard box when your winger or full back is on the byline.
Please don’t bother with the ad hominem attacks. I literally watch every minute United play and watch however much highlights, analysis and reruns on top of that.
Yeah, he could benefit from better service, but I see someone like Rashford benefitting it from a far greater extent. Martial gets better service than most forwards from bottom half PL teams, but is still is only getting a similar level of chances to most of them. That’s not down to service. That’s down to not attacking the six yard box when your winger or full back is on the byline.
I’m not sure where I have said the opposite, in fact your statement supports my argument. Rashford plays with more endeavour and tenacity and so will benefit far more from an improvement in the quality of the support from teammates. Rashford makes the most of what Martial gives him. I don’t think Martial makes the most of what his teammates offer him.Rashford benefits from Martial's play far more than the other way around. For someone who watches United so much, you should be able to see that.
Rashford benefits from Martial's play far more than the other way around. For someone who watches United so much, you should be able to see that.
My point is Rashford doesn't offer nearly as much for Martial or his other teammates than Martial does for the forwards. Rashford wasn't setting the Premier league alight when Martial was absent. His run of form coincided with Martial's return.I’m not sure where I have said the opposite, in fact your statement supports my argument. Rashford plays with more endeavour and tenacity and so will benefit far more from an improvement in the quality of the support from teammates. Rashford makes the most of what Martial gives him. I don’t think Martial makes the most of what his teammates offer him.
He’s got a role at the club, but we aren’t winning the league or getting 85+ points with him as our number 9. Not sure I ever see him bagging 20 league goals.
He is a Firminho kind of player. We need a strong right forward as well ( Mason is still a Kid)Bingo. Totally agree. Will love him in the squad as he's a valuable option and currently definitely our best option in the attack but can't see him as a main starting player for any title winning team.
He is a Firminho kind of player. We need a strong right forward as well ( Mason is still a Kid)
Amar hates Martial so no surprise he's the first one to start the criticism.I thought he was good today, surprised he didn't bury the chance but then how about some credit to actually create the opportunity in the first place? Need him to carry us while Rashford is out
Yeah, let's go and spunk 100 million on a striker no better than Martial and watch him flop because of the lack of creativity in the team. Martial is an excellent forward and is only getting better, lets focus on his supply.Firmino is far better in the linking part imo. Martial is good in holding the ball and playing with his back to the goal but I won't say he's on the same level as Firmino in linking up play and creating spaces for other players. It's shooting and finishing in front of the goal that's his strongest point not play making, while Firmino is the opposite. I will keep him playing for now but long term I think it will be better for us buying an established striker and having Martial as a squad option covering both striker and left flank.
Firmino is far better in the linking part imo. Martial is good in holding the ball and playing with his back to the goal but I won't say he's on the same level as Firmino in linking up play and creating spaces for other players. It's shooting and finishing in front of the goal that's his strongest point not play making, while Firmino is the opposite. I will keep him playing for now but long term I think it will be better for us buying an established striker and having Martial as a squad option covering both striker and left flank.
That wasn't said until Liverpool perfected Mane & Salah.
We still only have a Mane in Rashford & our left footed right forward hardly starts a game with them.
Either way - being worse than firmino isn't bad, he doesn't need to be better either he is 3 years younger than him aswwell.
Firminho is better because he has Salah and Mane running havoc. We only have Rashford. Put Martial in that pool lineup in place of Firminho, you will get the same result.Firmino is far better in the linking part imo. Martial is good in holding the ball and playing with his back to the goal but I won't say he's on the same level as Firmino in linking up play and creating spaces for other players. It's shooting and finishing in front of the goal that's his strongest point not play making, while Firmino is the opposite. I will keep him playing for now but long term I think it will be better for us buying an established striker and having Martial as a squad option covering both striker and left flank.
Firminho is better because he has Salah and Mane running havoc. We only have Rashford. Put Martial in that pool lineup in place of Firminho, you will get the same result.
A better coach would be a good starting point.
Because Firmino himself isn't en exceptional striker by any means but he's just pretty good in linking play and creating spaces for others and has found a system with 2 goals machine players that suited him. Martial's biggest assets isn't really play making but being a finisher and not every team succeeded with a similar system like Klopp's I don't buy the idea of building a Liverpool esque attack based on him. It's an individual case rather than the rule.
I think he's a good player, but not really a main player in a title challenging team as the original poster said. Everyone will love having him an option but can you say they will win the league with him as a main starting player every game, I really can't say it.
Have we signed Haaland wouldn't he have displaced him for example?
Him burning chances or not having the right movements in the box has nothing to do with the players around him.
His best season still is 11 goals. Not sure he'll even reach that number again to be fair.
Was a talented kid, now he's turning 25 hasnt been progressing and its time to replace him.
So he won't score 3 goals for the rest of the PL season?
Don't think so no, unless he takes penalties now that Rashford is injured
Don't think so no, unless he takes penalties now that Rashford is injured
Lay off the sauce...Don't think so no, unless he takes penalties now that Rashford is injured