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He clearly looked not fully fit. I’ll give him a benefit of doubt this time.
Yeah that was done because Shaw at the end was getting tired and overrun. Ole went for the draw. But don't let agenda see you that.Eh? We saw what we saw. Flat footed, unable to make an impact and ultimately subbed off for a left back when we needed a goal.
Eh? We saw what we saw. Flat footed, unable to make an impact and ultimately subbed off for a left back when we needed a goal.
He is so frustrating. I want to love him blindly but he is just too inconsistent and it's starting to annoy me. Maybe we should just play him against teams that wont put up a fight, I don't know.
Europa league games mostly from the look of things. League is very competitive. I think if Martial played in Italy or France he'd be considered world class by now. I hope we keep him but we need someone that doesn't drop below 7 every other game.Which teams are those? I don't remember playing those teams after Fergie retired.
Behave. He's had plenty of good performances against top teams who pit up plenty fight. The first time he hasn't scored in 4 games yet you're jumping straight on his back. He's currently being played out of position, replacing Rashford while he's out but he's not as good at being Rashford. He's quite clearly a central link player, if he doesn't play there, he isn't as good. You'll notice that the same thing happened when Rashford was being played in Martial's position.He is so frustrating. I want to love him blindly but he is just too inconsistent and it's starting to annoy me. Maybe we should just play him against teams that wont put up a fight, I don't know.
Oh, I behave. They are both inconsistent players. If he is going to play that badly, he needs to score or assist for me to rate his performance, that simple.Behave. He's had plenty of good performances against top teams who pit up plenty fight. The first time he hasn't scored in 4 games yet you're jumping straight on his back. He's currently being played out of position, replacing Rashford while he's out but he's not as good at being Rashford. He's quite clearly a central link player, if he doesn't play there, he isn't as good. You'll notice that the same thing happened when Rashford was being played in Martial's position.
People need to stop using Rashford's injury as an excuse for him. You can't be that dependant on another player. You can't be reduced to utter pointlessness just because your mate is injured.I know he'll have his fanboys till the day he leaves, even then there will still be a lot of Martial FC about i'm sure. I just can't personally see him ever hitting that top drawer that his talent clearly gives him the ability to be able to, it's just constant flashes of ability followed by complete lack of effort, drive and basically awfulness. Maybe it's because of the way we set up, maybe its because Rashford is injured, point is if he is as talented as people say he is he shouldn't need these things to show it on a consistent basis.
I notice you didn't address the positional change. Why is that? Would expect Bruno to be able to do the same job as Matic, or vice versa? They're both midfielders. Martial is not an all action goalscorer or winger, he's a crafty false 9. If you don't like his style, fair enough but his recent consistency issues come from playing Rashford's role.Oh, I behave. They are both inconsistent players. If he is going to play that badly, he needs to score or assist for me to rate his performance, that simple.
He missed 1 game.... since when was it illegal to get injured?I’m glad we didn’t risk him today. It wouldn’t have been worth taking the chance of him needing to take more days off.
These "not fully healthy" is the easiest excuse to throw on for every poor performance. He played nearly the full game. Didn't hear of a player half fit playing more than 85 minutes without complaining of anything, with the approval of the manager and medical stuff. Nonsense, but yeah "agenda". I can call you "apologist" as well.
Except it's not an "easy excuse" but a legitimate case to be made. Plenty of players have played through injuries, especially if a key player in the same or a similar position is missing. It's rather common in professional sports, especially after the performance by Ighalo against Brügge, when he didn't inspire much confidence.
Either way, the guy has scored 3 goals in the previous games, at least wait another game or two before labelling it the "usual Martial" trend.
Since when was it illegal to question Anthony Martial?He missed 1 game.... since when was it illegal to get injured?
It’s not, but it’s a bit weird to constantly accuse him of faking injury, he’s hardly the first player to pick up knocks here and there. Do you even celebrate when he scores?Since when was it illegal to question Anthony Martial?
I can’t remember a player that gets injured on the day of games as often as Martial does. That’s a stupid question and doesn’t deserve answering.It’s not, but it’s a bit weird to constantly accuse him of faking injury, he’s hardly the first player to pick up knocks here and there. Do you even celebrate when he scores?
Even though I love the guy I'm starting to see why he will never be the centre forward that gets us back to the top. He's far too passive in games and doesn't affect the game unless the ball is at his feet.
You’re paranoid. And it’s not a stupid question because posters like you will be silent when certain players are doing well then jump at the first opportunity to berate them. If you were just criticising his performances than fair enough but the constant attacks on his professionalism and commitment makes it seem more deep rooted. So yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me if you didn’t celebrate his goals.I can’t remember a player that gets injured on the day of games as often as Martial does. That’s a stupid question and doesn’t deserve answering.
Even though I love the guy I'm starting to see why he will never be the centre forward that gets us back to the top. He's far too passive in games and doesn't affect the game unless the ball is at his feet.
3 goals in 4 games and yet suddenly, he is back being shit.
You guys just waiting for this moment.
I’m not. I support Man United not Martial or any other player. It’s no more deep rooted than not liking a player that clearly doesn’t always give their all to win. Take your amateur psychology elsewhere.You’re paranoid. And it’s not a stupid question because posters like you will be silent when certain players are doing well then jump at the first opportunity to berate them. If you were just criticising his performances than fair enough but the constant attacks on his professionalism and commitment makes it seem more deep rooted. So yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me if you didn’t celebrate his goals.
3 goals in 4 games and yet suddenly, he is back being shit.
You guys just waiting for this moment.
Given your posts in this thread, you can hardly blame me for wondering if that’s really the case. I’ll take your word for it though.I’m not. I support Man United not Martial or any other player. It’s no more deep rooted than not liking a player that clearly doesn’t always give their all to win. Take your amateur psychology elsewhere.
3 goals in 4 games and yet suddenly, he is back being shit.
You guys just waiting for this moment.
Arm chair psychologist. Perfect.Sorry, but this is not a fair comment. Martial is hardly having some amazing season.
The continued questions about him, reflect his career.... not his current form, or last four or five games. And that is something about him, no one else. Other managers have stated the same things, and questioned his longer-term application and consitency. The National coach binned him.
I have little doubt that Martial will score a couple of great goals between now and the end of the season. But in-between those moments... ? Is Martial thinking 'I am going to fire us to the Top Four, see if we can catch Leicester... I am going to do all I can as the No 9 to make that happen....'. Can you see that in his game, his application?
And there lies his problem.
An inflated ego; a limited player who has actually won very little. He leaves United, and where does he go? Who will pay the wages we are paying him? For maybe 15 league goals a season.
He has all the physical attributes, but his mentality, week in, week out... that is extremely questionable, and that is the frustration. How must Greenwood feel watching that?
If Martial doesn't score, he is shit.
It really is that black and white with him because he operates on a completely different wavelength to the rest of the team.
I've said this before that either he makes runs into spaces nobody sees, or he doesn't make the run into the space that everybody sees.
This is an incredible post. Anthony Martial is on a different wavelength, oh yes, I agree with that. But to suggest this is in some way, beyond the players around him, well that's daft. His career does not reflect that. We need to be realistic.
This is what we have become over the last few seasons...we as fans, now debate such matters, which really are not changing anything much at all at Man United. We have accepted the average, and this worries me.
3 goals in 4 games and yet suddenly, he is back being shit.
You guys just waiting for this moment.
Nope. It's more like you and a lot of this forum that has these "waiting" moments. Basically, and it's the same with a lot of topics here, if he has a great game, it's Martial FC and he's the best player around, he has a bad game and he's the worst player ever.
People questioning him are questioning him based on his entire career so far, yes he has capable of some goals, and he clearly has incredible talent, but he just never applies it on a consistent level, and hasn't since he has got here. I think it's entirely reasonable to question whether he will hit the actual highs his talents could give him, it's obvious why people question his desire, work rate, his actual effect on the game is overall dire, unless he scores.
For example, in the game the other day, he was absolute garbage throughout the entire match, but people are clearly putting that to the side because he scored that 1 great chip effort over the keeper, people need to look at the bigger picture here, but they don't. It's all black and white, he scored a goal so all is well and that's all there is to say, when it doesn't paint the whole picture.
I don't care. I've seen this player over 5 years I know how he looks when he is on form and what he looks like when he isn't. My expectations of him is based on the player, my comments were too, I didn't feel the need to consider any minor positional change. If Matic was played as a CAM, and did have a bad game like he has from time to time as a CDM, the positional change wouldn't change his performance now would it. It's just an excuse really. We need these players to get better not come up with excuses for why they are fine when they aren't.I notice you didn't address the positional change. Why is that? Would expect Bruno to be able to do the same job as Matic, or vice versa? They're both midfielders. Martial is not an all action goalscorer or winger, he's a crafty false 9. If you don't like his style, fair enough but his recent consistency issues come from playing Rashford's role.
Good points. But I would add that he is much more involved in games when he is on form. He can be unstoppable at times, and he can be horrible, but your description of him is very appropriate and probably where he's at consistently.I don't think you understood my post at all. I'm not saying he's smarter than the rest or the rest is smarter than him.
I'm just saying he seems to be doing his own thing most of the time, making runs into random spaces or not making any runs at all where there is a big wide open space. It's not that he's lazy or not running, I think he is running but it seems most of his running is not where the play is happening or is expected to happen. It's rather perplexing.
We generally play as a team of 10 players + whatever Martial is doing. If he feels like it, he'll ghost into play, take on 2 defenders and chip the goalie. If he doesn't feel like it, he could be having a coffee on the sidelines and the team won't know the difference.
Nope. It's more like you and a lot of this forum that has these "waiting" moments. Basically, and it's the same with a lot of topics here, if he has a great game, it's Martial FC and he's the best player around, he has a bad game and he's the worst player ever.
People questioning him are questioning him based on his entire career so far, yes he has capable of some goals, and he clearly has incredible talent, but he just never applies it on a consistent level, and hasn't since he has got here. I think it's entirely reasonable to question whether he will hit the actual highs his talents could give him, it's obvious why people question his desire, work rate, his actual effect on the game is overall dire, unless he scores.
For example, in the game the other day, he was absolute garbage throughout the entire match, but people are clearly putting that to the side because he scored that 1 great chip effort over the keeper, people need to look at the bigger picture here, but they don't. It's all black and white, he scored a goal so all is well and that's all there is to say, when it doesn't paint the whole picture.