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You would expect more from a ''best noobie promoted 2019''
It was clearly a lean year
You would expect more from a ''best noobie promoted 2019''
it was a shite joke. When I get a notification I’m here thinking maybe someone agrees with me that he might be injured because he isn’t trying as hard given how important the game was but nope, shite jokes. Really wish Ole would inform us if martial is struggling with something so we can make informed criticism. I remember criticizing rashford for having terrible performances while scoring and he was also slightly injured. I remember seeing posts stating he might be playing through injury but I kept dismissing it.Fair, I seem to have taken this poorly.
it was a shite joke. When I get a notification I’m here thinking maybe someone agrees with me that he might be injured because he isn’t trying as hard given how important the game was but nope, shite jokes. Really wish Ole would inform us if martial is struggling with something so we can make informed criticism. I remember criticizing rashford for having terrible performances while scoring and he was also slightly injured. I remember seeing posts stating he might be playing through injury but I kept dismissing it.
The crazy thing is he is very fast and can dribble it's just he is not aggressive with it. Some players get the ball and always want to attack and be directHe is not good enough and was having an absolute mare before and after the goal.
He cannot hold it up, loses the ball constantly, has lost the ability to dribble past players and is not quick at all. All of that is before mentioning his work rate which is derisory at best.
Igalho showed more in the 5 minutes that he was on than Martial did.
I'd get rid in the summer, maybe some mug will pay us £50m or so and we can get someone in who is a proper centre forward.
I think that at the moment he is being asked to play Rashford's role, which Rashford is clearly better at because he's far more direct. What you seem to be neglecting is that before Rashford was injured and before the break in general, he was playing as a false 9, which is his best position when he has goalscorers around him.Of course, for the sake of making up for my strop.
The guy has all the talent in the world. We know he has the ability to match. We've seen glimpses of it. Then it disappeared. We made excuses for him. Shunted out to the left. Lost his number. He's young, still developing.
This has been going on for 2 years or more. So, he has the talent, he has the ability, he has his number back, he is playing in his preferred position and yet still ... nothing, we are still waiting for this amazing player to show up. Well, rightly or wrongly dude, I've decided he isn't going to show up. We're waiting for something that isn't going to arrive.
Sure, he scores some goals, some nice ones too but there's something missing with him. Call it what you want, lack of desire, lack of killer instinct, lack of confidence or maybe just plain old lack of ambition and drive or bad attitude. The fact remains he has everything he needs to become a beast of a footballer, I've said it so many times about him but he just does not 'take it' or drive forward.
All the best strikers have one thing in common, the drive and killer instinct to get that ball in the back of the net whenever possible. AM has not got this and I doubt he will get it because that is an attribute that you can't train. All his other attributes, speed, technical ability and talent are worth nothing if there isn't the drive there to connect all the dots.
So something is definitely a bit shit about him. We've seen players like this in football before and it is so frustrating.
i do agree that he isn’t as driven as rashford and wouldn’t run himself to the ground like James but on his day he is better than those 2 in my opinion. I also feel like you that he could do more in the terms of getting to the end of chances even though the probabilities of success is low. Most of the best strikers do that. Still looking at our squad I will always take quality over workrate especially in attacking areas. We just don’t have the quality and finesse in attack to suddenly think about selling a player like martial. He is the least of our problems. He is also have by a decent season statistically.Sorry dude, it was a shite attempt at a joke. It wasn't really a joke in some sense of the word as I genuinely think he is what he is and that's all he'll ever be but I shouldn't have singled out your post to make my point, I'd just read 2 pages of previous posts and felt exasperated. Martial has almost everything in his locker and could be a one man weapon up front if he learned how to use all his tools.
And I don't buy all the 'he doesn't get decent service' either. No he doesn't but I do see him wasting chances to make runs and I don't ever see him playing the percentages like all great strikers do from time to time.
If Martial is genuinely struggling with something then why is he even playing? I don't buy it.
I think that at the moment he is being asked to play Rashford's role, which Rashford is clearly better at because he's far more direct. What you seem to be neglecting is that before Rashford was injured and before the break in general, he was playing as a false 9, which is his best position when he has goalscorers around him.
We see Liverpool with a model similar to this, Firmino playing as the main link in attack with Salah and Mane as the goalscorers. This type of player helps the team play better when the team around them is right for this set up, which is why Rashford was banging them in for us only when Martial was fit.
I think Martial has made noticeable improvements this season in his heading, movement, work rate and left foot, yet you're still trying to claim that he hasn't improved. The only metric you're using is a totally unquantifiable one which only really works for out and out goalscorers, which Martial is not.
Absolute poo poo talk. Pretty clear the talent he has, pretty clear that he's been developing his game as well by adding aerial ability (2 headed goals so far this season), strengthening his left foot and working on his pressing. We still saw flashed of his dribbling ability today but too often was crowded out by the opposition, which is likely to happen at Stamford Bridge.
Anonymous.Well, every striker has games when they are unanimous, but score. But Martial was dispossessed alot and was involved. So he wasnt unanimous , he was just very poor in holp-up and link-up play today.
But a great header, hope we see more of that. Because we all have witnessed he can do it. Just needs to learn to be in the right positions and be smarter on the ball.
Why do people care about his overall performance? It's not like he was losing the ball due to poor first touch or control.
If he doesn't score, we can view his overall performance. But he scored today which is what striker does. The goal was beautiful header as well. It was his 9th league goals, I'll be pleased with minimum 15 league goals from him by end of this season.
i do agree that he isn’t as driven as rashford and wouldn’t run himself to the ground like James but on his day he is better than those 2 in my opinion.
Still looking at our squad I will always take quality over workrate especially in attacking areas. We just don’t have the quality and finesse in attack to suddenly think about selling a player like martial. He is the least of our problems. He is also have by a decent season statistically.
Also we played rashford through injury so that should tell you that it’s possible we could be doing the same with martial. We lack options upfront even with ighalo.
Yeah. That's the kind of post you'd only make about Lingard.it was a shite joke. When I get a notification I’m here thinking maybe someone agrees with me that he might be injured because he isn’t trying as hard given how important the game was but nope, shite jokes. Really wish Ole would inform us if martial is struggling with something so we can make informed criticism. I remember criticizing rashford for having terrible performances while scoring and he was also slightly injured. I remember seeing posts stating he might be playing through injury but I kept dismissing it.
Need to fly a plane telling him to find a new club. The more Ole plays him the more I despise his very existence. Please just leave the club already.
I think you're being fairly short sighted here. It is pretty obvious that James is not going to be the long term solution to our right wing and that Greenwood and possibly Sancho are being targeted as the goal scoring right forward I'm talking about. I think in the long term, James will be back up to Rashford.Comparing him to Firmino, in simple terms I know which I would prefer but i know what you're saying. But I would just say that (painful as it is), we are not Liverpool. Without Rashford and another top scorer playing alongside him Martials limitations are clear. With Rashford out and James, while he's a decent little player for what we paid, not being prolific it is largely up to Martial to keep the goals coming. There is no point in Martial being a link, or even needing a link, when we don't have other players scoring regularly around him.
Martial has always spoke about his preferred position being bang in front of goal. You wouldn't know this by watching him. What I would say is that I look forward to seeing what he will do with the service that Bruno will bring. I don't doubt Bruno will be asking more of Martials play in terms of running and getting on the end of passes that have been missing from our play for ages.
You say you'e seen noticeable improvements in his movement and workrate? Really? If he's improved then from what he has improved from says it all. As I said, I don't doubt his talent or his skill, I just question whether he is the right player for us and whether or not he's as good as a lot on here seem to still think. I personally don't think he is and if you ask whether I'd want a link player or an out and out goal scorer I know which I'd prefer.
You're speaking about players in title winning teams with world class players all around them. Do you not see the difference in circumstances?No, we've had 4 years of this over and over. It's the romantic's choice to think that consistency does not constitute one of the most important if not the most important aspect of 'talent'. One can only look at the past and the caliber of former Man United players to know what real quality is. He isn't.
And He's been here for years. Surely He has to take some responsibilities. I was hoping for Haaland, don't know who else We can bring in really.The fact we still don't know how to get the best out of him suggests it's his issue at this point. I still think we're best off selling in the summer or next if we can get a quality replacement in.
I think you're being fairly short sighted here. It is pretty obvious that James is not going to be the long term solution to our right wing and that Greenwood and possibly Sancho are being targeted as the goal scoring right forward I'm talking about. I think in the long term, James will be back up to Rashford.
If you agree that he can play as the provider up top, what is your problem withh him once we have more goalscorers?
And He's been here for years. Surely He has to take some responsibilities. I was hoping for Haaland, don't know who else We can bring in really.
Don’t know what your point is because the other poster was joking but I wasn’t. Lingard needs to find a new club.Yeah. That's the kind of post you'd only make about Lingard.
Do you literally "despise" Lingard's "very existence"?Don’t know what your point is because the other poster was joking but I wasn’t. Lingard needs to find a new club.
I guess only time will tell, what I would say is certain is that he will be here next season so this debate will continue.While I can't agree with your slight insult on me I can agree with your comment on DJ, I've literally just posted the same thing in his performance thread. But there's nothing to make me think we won't be having this same conversation about Martial next year when / if Sancho comes (I don't think he will by the way although it would be great if he did). I just think we'd be in the same situation. There's nothing to suggest AM won't be just as inconsistent and frustrating in 12 months time.
While I agree he can play as provider, it doesn't mean I rate him or think he couldn't be upgraded. I mean, I get what you're saying, I just don't agree with your judgement on the player. In my view, his stats for the season are flattering. Stats are one thing, my eyes are another and there's too many moments with him where I roll my eyes or wish he'd done something different or even worse ... just done something. He could be so much more but I don;t think he will become it.
Circumstances don't really apply to aspirations. The measure of a player would in theory be based on whether he would be deemed good enough to play for past iterations of Man United. As a sub, maybe. As a 200k pound per week man, never.You're speaking about players in title winning teams with world class players all around them. Do you not see the difference in circumstances?
He's obviously not Shearer, but he's always had that in his locker. I remember another very good header he scored against CSKA Moscow in his first season if I remember correctly.The goal he scored was beautiful header, something i didn't think he was capable of. Was very frustrating before that apart from few moments. He was struggling to hold the ball and there was one move where we had counter on, James was making the run and Martial just jogged casually.
Anyways in the end he scored very important goal, which is very good contribution. He is having good season, hopefully score even more goals. He is capable of that.
He's obviously not Shearer, but he's always had that in his locker. I remember another very good header he scored against CSKA Moscow in his first season if I remember correctly.
We just need to consistently provide better service in the box and he, and others, will put them in.
Actually, just looked it up and you're right. It was a bit easier than I rememberedCSKA header was easy one, he had too much space and no pressure. This is completely different, he way he attacked it and got it on target was impressive.
He hit the post in the fa cup final with a really good header as well (under LvG).He's obviously not Shearer, but he's always had that in his locker. I remember another very good header he scored against CSKA Moscow in his first season if I remember correctly.
We just need to consistently provide better service in the box and he, and others, will put them in.
Absoultely. Same amount of goals as Rashford from the open play this season and in fewer minutes. Guess which one United fans say is having a great season and which one is the lazy fecker that should be sold?There seems to be a big section of utd fans who would love nothing more than to see him fail.
A lone striker who has scored against Chelsea at Stamford bridge gets gushing praise like a meh performance, listless player, hopefully he scores a few more so we can sell him I'm summer, it's like they aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Spot onAbsoultely. Same amount of goals as Rashford from the open play this season and in fewer minutes. Guess which one United fans say is having a great season and which one is the lazy fecker that should be sold?
Circumstances don't really apply to aspirations. The measure of a player would in theory be based on whether he would be deemed good enough to play for past iterations of Man United. As a sub, maybe. As a 200k pound per week man, never.
He is symptomatic of the team; not good enough. In 4 years, he's never had the same level of progress as others. The closest being Rashford, who is more valuable to the team and has more to show for it as well.
It's the hope that kills you but there's only so much one can see with their own eyes until the illusion is gone. You take him out right now and you replace it with someone younger, hungrier and more impactful like Haaland and you'd see an immediate improvement.
I hope so too.See you here next year then @Raven - I hope you get the chance to say 'I told you so'
Sorry, but that is precisely what does happen with Martial. His hold up play is just woeful, which makes him entirely unsuited to being the focal point of the attack. If you want to see what a United striker should be capable of doing in terms of hold up play, check out some old footage of Mark Hughes.Why do people care about his overall performance? It's not like he was losing the ball due to poor first touch or control.
If he doesn't score, we can view his overall performance. But he scored today which is what striker does. The goal was beautiful header as well. It was his 9th league goals, I'll be pleased with minimum 15 league goals from him by end of this season.
Our leading 9, the way we play, doesnt play like a traditional 9. Our main output is from Rashford on the left, who benefits greatly from Martial (as do others, as he does an excellent job at bringing others in and linking up). Get a similar goal threat like Sancho on the right and that's what our pretty clear goal is. Rashford can get ~25 in all competitions with pens. Martial is around 20 goals in all competitions. Sancho would be around 15. Greenwood as a squad player would be around 15 too. Our #10 should be adding 10-15 too. We don't have or need 1 player who scores 30+ goals, who is the main leading #9 that all chances fall to. That's not how our team is being built and not the direction we're going in. It's going in a direction where they're all versatile and can all pitch in, and Martial, Rashford and Greenwood are all already on pace to reach those totals individually.He done my head in for the first 30 minutes then had 1 or 2 tidy runs, a great header but on the whole still not enough to be our leading 9.