[MadMike]

The overreactions in this thread are pretty funny. It's as if people are just waiting for it.

Some literally are. Player comes in for the last 20 mins of a pre-season friendly after 15 subs have stopped all game rhythm, people bash him for not doing much

I'm ok with criticising shit performances when it matters and when more should be reasonably expected from the player. This is not one of those times.

 

[Godfather]

Holy shit. He actually looked really good in the games before. Gets 20 mins against City when nobody was doing anything anymore and the knives are out again.

 

[Red_toad]

martial is the new rooney for redcafe it seems. some people on here are so fecking annyoing. they just want to see certain players fail. bunch of twats

He's not really, no one is making the vile personally comments that were aimed at Rooney. There was a real hatred. Martial isn't performing as we know he can, Rooney was a shadow of the player he once was. People get frustrated and should really think about what they post, Maybe we've a immature dicks on here who put it down to banter or frustration, or not engaging their brain before posting or just like being a dick.

Martial will come good. He just needs to get his confidence back.

 

[AlexUTD]

Martial probably sees himself as a striker but Mourinho sees him ad a winger.

The day Martial accepts his new role is the day we see the good old Martial i saw sitting in south stand and going apeshit crazy when he destroyed Skertel and scored in his debut. A day i will never forget and just makes me not to give up on this guy! He will become Balon D'or player just wait and see.

 

[JJ12]

It's as if the 2 previous matches mean nothing. How dare he come on for 25 minutes and go through the motions like everybody else was at that point.

Hopefully starts the next match.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

martial is the new rooney for redcafe it seems. some people on here are so fecking annyoing. they just want to see certain players fail. bunch of twats

I can't speak for everyone. And I haven't watched any of the tour games (3am FFS!) But in general, I don't get the impression people want him to fail. But I think he is very frustrating because he has the ability to be as good and effective as someone like Eden Hazard, but so often last season he didn't look fussed. His head always seems to be elsewhere.

I hope he shows what he can do this season, because you just know if he leaves he will end up being an absolute machine somewhere else.

 

[togg]

I can't speak for everyone. And I haven't watched any of the tour games (3am FFS!) But in general, I don't get the impression people want him to fail. But I think he is very frustrating because he has the ability to be as good and effective as someone like Eden Hazard, but so often last season he didn't look fussed. His head always seems to be elsewhere.

I hope he shows what he can do this season, because you just know if he leaves he will end up being an absolute machine somewhere else.

I agree, I think actually there is a lot of love and support for the guy, but equally so there is this immense yearning for him to step up more, be the player that his undoubted talent suggests. It's probably his make or break season with the club and I for one hope he takes it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I only watched up until the 70th minute. I thought Martial was doing ok at that point. Linking up well with Pog.

 

[Escobar]

People and their girly overreactions...

 

[Kapardin]

Couldn't see the game, but seems like the same old story. Everybody talks about his technique and movement, but without end-product, it is useless. Welbeck has good movement as well. The tendency to say "he played well, the ability is there" just because he ran fast, dribbled once or twice needs to stop.

Martial bar his first season has been rubbish. His stats from last season are an embarrassment for any forward, whose bread and butter should be goals and assists. If he doesn't score this season, the first season can safely be written off as a freak performance. He is not that young as well, he is at the age where he should be fairly productive.

 

[Trigg]

Couldn't see the game, but seems like the same old story. Everybody talks about his technique and movement, but without end-product, it is useless. Welbeck has good movement as well. The tendency to say "he played well, the ability is there" just because he ran fast, dribbled once or twice needs to stop.

Martial bar his first season has been rubbish. His stats from last season are an embarrassment for any forward, whose bread and butter should be goals and assists. If he doesn't score this season, the first season can safely be written off as a freak performance. He is not that young as well, he is at the age where he should be fairly productive.

Fairly certain he only played half a dozen games as a forward last season. Majority of the time, he's been on the left wing. The season where he did play as a striker, he was our top scorer with 17. Rubbish my arse. Indifferent, inconsistent, up and down.

 

[CG1010]

Couldn't see the game, but seems like the same old story. Everybody talks about his technique and movement, but without end-product, it is useless. Welbeck has good movement as well. The tendency to say "he played well, the ability is there" just because he ran fast, dribbled once or twice needs to stop.

Martial bar his first season has been rubbish. His stats from last season are an embarrassment for any forward, whose bread and butter should be goals and assists. If he doesn't score this season, the first season can safely be written off as a freak performance. He is not that young as well, he is at the age where he should be fairly productive.

Not the best of posts... his stats last season weren't all that bad, the problem was they were covering the fact that he was often not involved in rest of the game . Nobody really talks about his movement unless in the context of its absence! And, he doesn't just dribble once or twice but is probably one of the best dribblers in the league. His problem is he needs it at his feet, which becomes easy to mark out.

Edited for clarity.

 

[Womp]

Andreas Pereira was dreadful as well, barely did anything of note, just tossed it off on the pitch and so lazy, overrated, sell Pereira and sack Martial.

Martial + shit form + last year = one of our most productive players.

Difference being Pereira isn't harped on about on here as being some sort of footballing phenomenon who can do no wrong, like Martial is. Not to add, Pereira went out on loan and is coming off the back of a very good season, Martial is coming off the back of a piss poor one.

It's odd how no-one can criticise this kid, he's done feck all with us. Yes it's true he was great in his first season, but people need to stop living in the past and see his flaws for what they are. He's not getting any younger, he needs to start improving these weak areas of his game, the same way Rashford etc. is. I like Martial, he's one of my favourite players and yes it's true he's immensely talented, but talent by itself in no way equals ability. I've gotten his jersey two years in a row now, but by no means is he free from criticism. Rashford is more energetic, more direct, has improved his finishing, has improved his freekicks, has improved his movement etc. whilst we are still talking about Martial's performances from two years ago.

 

[Womp]

Fairly certain he only played half a dozen games as a forward last season. Majority of the time, he's been on the left wing. The season where he did play as a striker, he was our top scorer with 17. Rubbish my arse. Indifferent, inconsistent, up and down.

In his best season for us, he still played the majority of the games from the left iirc.

 

[Rozay]

Tbh, he did nothing wrong last night. He got the ball, played a few neat pass and moves with Pogba and Lukaku, probably didn't give it away.

He didn't get us on the edge of our seats or anything, but he definitely didn't have a 'poor' game at all. And he's never going to be running past Kyle Walker all night so if that's what was expected then I can see the disappointment.

 

[Kapardin]

Fairly certain he only played half a dozen games as a forward last season. Majority of the time, he's been on the left wing. The season where he did play as a striker, he was our top scorer with 17. Rubbish my arse. Indifferent, inconsistent, up and down.

LW is not something that is completely alien to him. There is inconclusive proof that he is better as a striker than a LW, this seems to be something that is often used to excuse his performances. Besides, plenty of players have contributed when played on the LW before eventually moving to striker position and he's not one of the inflexible ones.

He's good enough where he is. van Gaal also played him on the LW.

Not the best of posts... his stats last season weren't all that bad, the problem was they were covering the fact that he was often not involved in rest of the game . Nobody really talks about his movement unless in the context of its absence! And, he doesn't just dribble once or twice but is probably one of the best dribblers in the league. His problem is he needs it at his feet, which becomes easy to mark out.

He's scored what, 4 goals and 6 assists last season in the league. That is definitely scraping the barrel for a LW at a top 6 club.

The last line doesn't help because he has found absolutely no way to overcome the problem. You could say the same thing about other players, eg: "Welbeck is fantastic except that his problem is that he doesn't score much".

Simple way to judge forwards is by their goal and assist totals at the end of the season. If it doesn't cross double figures each, then they don't cut the mustard. Last chance saloon for Martial.

 

[Raees]

I'd rather see him go out on loan and play as a number 9 and come back as a backup to Lukaku, and utilise Rashford as this free roaming second striker/wide forward hybrid.

 

[TsuWave]

Some literally are. Player comes in for the last 20 mins of a pre-season friendly after 15 subs have stopped all game rhythm, people bash him for not doing much

I'm ok with criticising shit performances when it matters and when more should be reasonably expected from the player. This is not one of those times.

i agree, hardly anyone from the team showed up in that second half

 

[rocks13]

LW is not something that is completely alien to him. There is inconclusive proof that he is better as a striker than a LW, this seems to be something that is often used to excuse his performances. Besides, plenty of players have contributed when played on the LW before eventually moving to striker position and he's not one of the inflexible ones.

He's good enough where he is. van Gaal also played him on the LW.



He's scored what, 4 goals and 6 assists last season in the league. That is definitely scraping the barrel for a LW at a top 6 club.

The last line doesn't help because he has found absolutely no way to overcome the problem. You could say the same thing about other players, eg: "Welbeck is fantastic except that his problem is that he doesn't score much".

Simple way to judge forwards is by their goal and assist totals at the end of the season. If it doesn't cross double figures each, then they don't cut the mustard. Last chance saloon for Martial.

That's fair enough if we're going to judge all our attacking players on this basis. If so, it's last chance saloon for a lot of players this season.

 

[CG1010]

Simple way to judge forwards is by their goal and assist totals at the end of the season. If it doesn't cross double figures each, then they don't cut the mustard. Last chance saloon for Martial.

Cristiano Ronaldo for us: 2003-04 - 4 goals, 2004-05 - 5 goals, and 2005-06 - 9 goals. Clearly he didn't cut the mustard either.

 

[roonster09]

I'd rather see him go out on loan and play as a number 9 and come back as a backup to Lukaku, and utilise Rashford as this free roaming second striker/wide forward hybrid.

We don't have enough player as it is, losing players like Martial on loan will be big issue when it comes to squad depth.

 

[Trigg]

LW is not something that is completely alien to him. There is inconclusive proof that he is better as a striker than a LW, this seems to be something that is often used to excuse his performances. Besides, plenty of players have contributed when played on the LW before eventually moving to striker position and he's not one of the inflexible ones.

He's good enough where he is. van Gaal also played him on the LW.



He's scored what, 4 goals and 6 assists last season in the league. That is definitely scraping the barrel for a LW at a top 6 club.

The last line doesn't help because he has found absolutely no way to overcome the problem. You could say the same thing about other players, eg: "Welbeck is fantastic except that his problem is that he doesn't score much".

Simple way to judge forwards is by their goal and assist totals at the end of the season. If it doesn't cross double figures each, then they don't cut the mustard. Last chance saloon for Martial.

I think he's a better winger than a striker, but you'll get more goalscoring chances playing as a striker than you will as a left winger. Especially in the United team last year which failed to score goals from everyone bar Zlatan. He scored plenty in that first season so he's shown he can do it.

To get to my point, I think its a little unfair to say;
A) He's been rubbish
B) that its his last chance or he's out.

He's 21 years old. You don't jettison a talented young player because of an off season (or 2), especially so when the team as whole didn't quite cut the mustard in the attacking sense.

 

[Raees]

We don't have enough player as it is, losing players like Martial on loan will be big issue when it comes to squad depth.

That is the issue with failing to bring players in. We're holding on to him out of desperation for numbers instead of acting in his best interest (which in the long term would be better for our interests).

 

[Wade3]

Cristiano Ronaldo for us: 2003-04 - 4 goals, 2004-05 - 5 goals, and 2005-06 - 9 goals. Clearly he didn't cut the mustard either.

It's ironic that Martial, by exceeding expectations in his first season, has put more pressure on himself than a guy who wouldn't have produced the way he did.

 

[Sky1981]

Talent and potential is very overrated in redcaf, as if it's fm and everyone can see that martial is a -9 potential.

Maybe he's not that good, just like depay. Maybe he's lazy? Maybe he can be the next messi in 3 years time? We will never know. But let's not rewrite the history here, he's having a piss poor season and with only 3 season with us he can still goes both ways, either a good player having a slump or an average player having a first season wonder.

 

[MThomas]

Piss poor season

 

[Trigg]

Talent and potential is very overrated in redcaf, as if it's fm and everyone can see that martial is a -9 potential.

Maybe he's not that good, just like depay. Maybe he's lazy? Maybe he can be the next messi in 3 years time? We will never know. But let's not rewrite the history here, he's having a piss poor season and with only 3 season with us he can still goes both ways, either a good player having a slump or an average player having a first season wonder.

Last season wasn't piss poor, and this season hasn't bloody started, he's had two season with us too? Explain yourself.

 

[Kapardin]

That's fair enough if we're going to judge all our attacking players on this basis. If so, it's last chance saloon for a lot of players this season.

That's actually true, sadly enough. Every one of them needs to improve for sure.

 

[CG1010]

Talent and potential is very overrated in redcaf, as if it's fm and everyone can see that martial is a -9 potential.

Maybe he's not that good, just like depay. Maybe he's lazy? Maybe he can be the next messi in 3 years time? We will never know. But let's not rewrite the history here, he's having a piss poor season and with only 3 season with us he can still goes both ways, either a good player having a slump or an average player having a first season wonder.

I agree that it can go either ways for him. Who is re-writing history? He was the brightest spark for us in the 2015-16 season but was hardly 'piss poor' last season, although he needs to pick up much more.

 

[Successful]

Talent and potential is very overrated in redcaf, as if it's fm and everyone can see that martial is a -9 potential.

Maybe he's not that good, just like depay. Maybe he's lazy? Maybe he can be the next messi in 3 years time? We will never know. But let's not rewrite the history here, he's having a piss poor season and with only 3 season with us he can still goes both ways, either a good player having a slump or an average player having a first season wonder.

He's an extremely talent player, anyone can see that. He can rush with the ball at a speed that no other player in our team can. However there are several problems he need to overcome or his skills won't make much difference on the pitch.

1. He need to become a real finishes. His shooting is piss poor. Can only make a soft inside with his right foot, and that's about it. No wrist shots or outsides or anything.

2. Have to find some sort of understanding with players on the pitch. He's often in a situation where he makes the wrong decision. Takes on people when there's an obvious pass to be made. Stops tic tac play to make a slow turn and use that awful right inside foot shot. I wonder if a player like Evra could have helped out on the flank to get him going.

3. Stop moaning about every opportunity missed. I believe up to 50% of his effective time is about looking up in the sky with his hands on the hips/head looking like a miserable shit. Most of the times its not even much he could have done about it.

4. Have to get in the right area. He's nowhere to be seen when things get dangerous. Never in the box, never in a good position to take a shot. Absolutely awful instinct.

5. Get a bit tougher. I wish a guy like Keane was still around to help Martial. I know Zlatan had a couple of man talks with him, but not much results it seems. Ronaldo was just the same but got his shit together and came out on top - to say the least.

 

[MrBest]

The way I see it, he's only 21 has loads of expectation but it's just not working out atm. I remember when Ronaldo came, showed glimpses of how good he could be and it was only really after 3 seasons he won the whole crowd over. Many people grew frustrated at his end product but on reality it was just his age. We have spent a lot on martial. Give him 2 more seasons. Lingard is 24, it took him 4 years to be taken seriously. Not every player is outstanding at 21!

 

[roonster09]

That is the issue with failing to bring players in. We're holding on to him out of desperation for numbers instead of acting in his best interest (which in the long term would be better for our interests).

I think the best for him would be playing for ManUtd and fighting for his place than going out on loan. Lukaku would be more or less would be our #9 for years, so it's better if he starts adapting playing wide or if Jose goes with 2 striker system then play with Lukaku.

 

[MUFC OK]

Why are people so quick to criticize, he simply didnt get into the game in his 20 mins but we werent attacking at this point. Wish we could just get behind him as he will be and should be staying with us this season. Big role to play, stop reading the red label papers..

 

[CG1010]

He's an extremely talent player, anyone can see that. He can rush with the ball at a speed that no other player in our team can. However there are several problems he need to overcome or his skills won't make much difference on the pitch.

1. He need to become a real finishes. His shooting is piss poor. Can only make a soft inside with his right foot, and that's about it. No wrist shots or outsides or anything.

2. Have to find some sort of understanding with players on the pitch. He's often in a situation where he makes the wrong decision. Takes on people when there's an obvious pass to be made. Stops tic tac play to make a slow turn and use that awful right inside foot shot. I wonder if a player like Evra could have helped out on the flank to get him going.

3. Stop moaning about every opportunity missed. I believe up to 50% of his effective time is about looking up in the sky with his hands on the hips looking like a miserable shit. Most of the times its not even much he could have done about it.

4. Have to get in the right area. He's nowhere to be seen when things get dangerous. Never in the box, never in a good position to take a shot. Absolutely awful instinct.

5. Get a bit tougher. I wish a guy like Keane was still around to help Martial. I know Zlatan had a couple of man talks with him, but not much results it seems. Ronaldo was just the same but got his shit together and came out on top - to say the least.

The most important point for me is that he needs to start moving. Despite his pace, its very rare that he runs behind defenders to pick up a pass or works to shake off his markers. He could learn a lot from our academy boys, Lingard and Rashford in this respect to be honest.

 

[MThomas]

Why are people so quick to criticize, he simply didnt get into the game in his 20 mins but we werent attacking at this point. Wish we could just get behind him as he will be and should be staying with us this season. Big role to play, stop reading the red label papers..

Because people are desperate for someone to fail so we can buy more players. Like the interviews with Shaws where he's saying that he hopes this will a big season for him etc, where the responses are that it'll be his last season at the club. I suppose it's somewhat natural given the location of some of those people...

 

[TsuWave]

he's having a piss poor season

season hasn't even started

 

[Ole90+3]

He's an extremely talent player, anyone can see that. He can rush with the ball at a speed that no other player in our team can. However there are several problems he need to overcome or his skills won't make much difference on the pitch.

1. He need to become a real finishes. His shooting is piss poor. Can only make a soft inside with his right foot, and that's about it. No wrist shots or outsides or anything.

2. Have to find some sort of understanding with players on the pitch. He's often in a situation where he makes the wrong decision. Takes on people when there's an obvious pass to be made. Stops tic tac play to make a slow turn and use that awful right inside foot shot. I wonder if a player like Evra could have helped out on the flank to get him going.

3. Stop moaning about every opportunity missed. I believe up to 50% of his effective time is about looking up in the sky with his hands on the hips/head looking like a miserable shit. Most of the times its not even much he could have done about it.

4. Have to get in the right area. He's nowhere to be seen when things get dangerous. Never in the box, never in a good position to take a shot. Absolutely awful instinct.

5. Get a bit tougher. I wish a guy like Keane was still around to help Martial. I know Zlatan had a couple of man talks with him, but not much results it seems. Ronaldo was just the same but got his shit together and came out on top - to say the least.

Yep his finishing for an Man United attacker is far from good enough, nevermind a player who wants to play as a ST. Needs to improve on his shooting and off the ball movement big time over the next year or he could be shown the door in the summer.

Decision making can be improved upon quite easily imo, but technical aspects such as finishing is down to natural composure more than anything else. This is one of my biggest concerns with Martial, not the supposed lack of effort.

 

[MThomas]

I love how the summary from last season has gone from poor season to "very piss poor"

 

[CG1010]

Because people are desperate for someone to fail so we can buy more players. Like the interviews with Shaws where he's saying that he hopes this will a big season for him etc, where the responses are that it'll be his last season at the club. I suppose it's somewhat natural given the location of some of those people...

 

[Kapardin]

Because people are desperate for someone to fail so we can buy more players. Like the interviews with Shaws where he's saying that he hopes this will a big season for him etc, where the responses are that it'll be his last season at the club. I suppose it's somewhat natural given the location of some of those people...

Yeah, I guess the ozone level is different for different countries. It makes some of us in certain locations light headed and prone to thinking differently about United players.