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Dont think you are far wrong....
He's not signing because he's not being given, what he deems, adequate game time. He also has been dropped, unjustly, for a Sanchez who hasn't set the world alight. He isn't given the allowances others are to play through bad patches.
Being left out of the france squad is only going to strengthen his desire to move on.
He was already dropped before the stuff about him not signing it came out. Played no minutes against Swansea or City then the story came out that he rejected the contract.
Jose seems dont like him. 
well, maybe because there are many rumours about him wanting to leave. he has been average to shit so, I dont care. he needs to improve more. I still want him to stay and become our superstar.
well, maybe because there are many rumours about him wanting to leave. he has been average to shit so, I dont care. he needs to improve more. I still want him to stay and become our superstar.My biggest issue with this. It's a travesty that we have tried to bend over backwards for Fellaini and allowed this to happen with Martial.
Doesn't he have the best minutes to goals ratio out of anyone on our team this year?Jose seems dont like him.
He should leave. He's not going to develop under Mourinho. I wouldn't begrudge him leaving for a second. I fully expect him to be brilliant elsewhere.
Why would Mourinho make the offer if there wasn't any intention to make use of him? That's where it falls apart for me and I view it more as what Martial wants, rather than Mourinho pushing him out of the door. I think "what he deems" is important - this is his career and he can do with it as he sees fit. No argument there. But to say it's unjust is over the top, IMO. That makes it seem like all managers choose their teams "justly" except for Jose, trying to shoehorn this into the narrative that he hates young players and they don't get a fair shake under him.
But that doesn't jibe with the general age of his signings or with the number of minutes he gives to players like Rashford, Lingard, McTominay, etc. I really like Martial and think the best solution would be for the team to work on getting him and Sanchez comfortable on both wings, if possible. If I were him, I'd take the offer of an extension as a sign the manager still wants me as part of his longer-term plans even if I don't fully know those plans yet. But if Martial feels otherwise, I don't see how someone can reasonably blame Mourinho.
He is done and gone in summer. Rashford after that horror miss gets chance in this match but Martial can't just because he can't run like headless chicken.
Shocking tonight. Lazy. Didn't do what mourinho wants. How dare he ask for fair playing time. God damn Martial FC ruining my club.
Surely he will start against Watford.
Feck knows how he got the nod over Martial.
Once you get into Jose's bad books, it's pretty much game over for whatever reason.
Martial needs to improve this, that, yada yada yada, while in same time some can suck donkey balls, look clueless most of time, or in best case scenario look not better then Martial and yet they can not be moved with a fork lift from first XI, feck that.
Really sad to see a talented football who hasn't started 2 games in a row since the start of the year leave the club because Jose thinks he doesn't offer enough. Hopefully the decision to sell him works in United's favour but i doubt it.
If he leaves I'll clap him off. He will start to enjoy his football again at the very least. If it comes back to bite us then so be it. We don't deserve young talents like Martial with Mourinho at the helm. If we were playing another team with Martial in it Mourinho would be making special plans to stop him. He doesn't understand or appreciate attacking talent when he sees it therefore Martial would be better off elsewhere. Will enjoy seeing his progress.
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Yup. Standard for Martial is basically ballon d'or contender/score every game or bust, while others can be trash and still start.
I've had it. He can move on and showcase his talent for a manager that respects attacking players of his ilk. It's so frustrating to see such a talented player rot on the bench every game.
For those who think he hasn't been mistreated. Just fecking see from the very first day.
- Humiliates Carvajal in a friendly against Real Madrid.
- Does not start the super cup game in the coming weeks
It's scandalous how Mourinho has treated him and I can't wait to quote the posts when he leaves and humiliates defenders with his world class attacking attributes.
For those who think he hasn't been mistreated. Just fecking see from the very first day.
- Humiliates Carvajal in a friendly against Real Madrid.
- Does not start the super cup game in the coming weeks
It's scandalous how Mourinho has treated him and I can't wait to quote the posts when he leaves and humiliates defenders with his world class attacking attributes.
I get your frustrations but you'd rather rather us sell him than us keep him so he flourishes elsewhere?
Yeah you're a Martial fan not a United fan.
What first day are you talking about ? Isn't this Jose's second season ?
One thing's for sure, when he leaves, it'll be a bit more boring on these forums. The guy hasn't played a minute today and his thread gets bumped constantly. It's kind of fun how polarizing he has been since Mourinho took over.
I completely understand how you could come to the conclusion that he's treating Martial harshly, but to use his performances in a fecking friendly game as justification is hilarious tbf. Friendly games are purely for fitness, trying new tactics and for the fans.
So sunday game is probably his last here. Came and go like the wind, everything with him is always sudden, isnt it? I still remember his solo goal through Pool defence - the most astonishing debut ever since Fener Roon3y as if it was yesterday. Also his upcoming departure given the great form in January.
I expect some memorable gestures from him towards the stands after Watford match. In the end even our club's official twitter was awared of his media attraction, the first player ever has his own FC, Martial knew he is beloved by millions of United fans. All the best Anthony, OT is gonna miss you a lot
I expect some memorable gestures from him towards the stands after Watford match. In the end even our club's official twitter was awared of his media attraction, the first player ever has his own FC, Martial knew he is beloved by millions of United fans. All the best Anthony, OT is gonna miss you a lot
1) Most astonishing debut since Rooney? Let's not get overdramatic here. I'd actually rate Macheda's debut higher than Martial's in terms of impact to the season.
2) I actually would expect quite the opposite. Martial's demeanour gives me the feeling that he's not the type to give any "memorable gestures".
3) First FC? What's that? His first football club or do you mean Martial FC on the Caf?
Having said that, I don't think anyone at the club wants him to leave IMO, just him angling for a move.
Just shows how irrational you Martial fc fans are
.Perhaps after that horror show by the pair of them and a dressing down, the manager was looking for the right reaction in "training".
We don't see the players attitude and reaction after a loss, the manager does just about every single day and hopefully will get rid of the ones who he can see don't give a toss.
But these things are irrelevant to Martial fc fans because it's all about potential but unfortunately plenty of players have potential but never fulfill it and that is usually down to only 1 person.
1) Most astonishing debut since Rooney? Let's not get overdramatic here. I'd actually rate Macheda's debut higher than Martial's in terms of impact to the season.
2) I actually would expect quite the opposite. Martial's demeanour gives me the feeling that he's not the type to give any "memorable gestures".
3) First FC? What's that? His first football club or do you mean Martial FC on the Caf?
Having said that, I don't think anyone at the club wants him to leave IMO, just him angling for a move.
1. As if Aston Villa was ever at Pool level
2. That's your agenda, Martial hates Jose, not the fans
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Sure he would.
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This is pure speculation.Just shows how irrational you Martial fc fans are
Perhaps after that horror show by the pair of them and a dressing down, the manager was looking for the right reaction in "training".
We don't see the players attitude and reaction after a loss, the manager does just about every single day and hopefully will get rid of the ones who he can see don't give a toss.
But these things are irrelevant to Martial fc fans because it's all about potential but unfortunately plenty of players have potential but never fulfill it and that is usually down to only 1 person.
What a silly comment
Everything is speculation when it come to trying to work out why a player is not playing unless the manages tells us otherwise!
That's why there is 274 pages with a lot of pages speculating on why Martial is not playing or why Mourinho is picking on Martial.
My points are valid in that we do not know what happens in training which is the vast majority of a footballers time, not just the 90 minutes/sub appeaance that we see a player for.
Who has Martial signed for them? Must have missed it. Thanks in advance.
I agree with your statement about Jose probably looked for a reaction in training and maybe Rashford was the one that gave it.
Horror show tho, admittedly Rashford wasn’t great and it was magnified by him not making that pass. Personally felt that Martial however did a lot of good things and the right things without over exaggerating how well he did. Made a lot of passes, moved in to good areas, tried to set up people and took the actual game to them. Rashford deserves criticism sure, but really I think Jose’s ire was directed at the wrong place and should have been at the likes of Mata, Matic, Pogba, Young and Darmian before those 2.
In terms of overall importance, that Macheda goal vs Villa is much, much higher in importance than Martials vs L'pool. In fairness, one goal was at the beginning of a season, the other at the end, Machedas goal basically won the league for us and Martials helped us get 3 points vs L'pool.
So you're trying to call me Martial FC now? I would prefer we keep him at all costs. But if he were to leave for some other league where he's not in direct competition with us, I would love to see him show his ability which many doubt.
I don't think many doubt his ability - it's his desire/motivation/attitude that lacks.
I'm just giving an example - friendly games before the season are for trying tactics to use in actual games like the SuperCup - So when a player performs in a friendly/preseason, he deserves to start the first few games of the season. Regardless, It's been going on since the very first day Mourinho came to the club (1st season) and then carried off to the second season.
Im not convinced he lacks those. I actually think he has shown a lot of it. His first season, coming back this season after last seasons setback also. My thinking is that mentally he may be done at United (which can look like a person without desire)
Okay i get it. When i talk about level that is not only quality or fame of the team but also including history rivalry, the bigger opponent is, the more difficult the goal will be to score, then rivalry makes it even more emotional. That's why i rate a goal against Pool higher than the one vs Villa. In term of technique, Martial's goal required both dribbling and shooting skills when he took the ball from the far left, ripped through Pool defence in a cogested area before netting the goal to the far post. Not to mention at that moment Martial was under heavy pressure of his transfer fee.
However if we follow to your point of view then there is nothing wrong too. It's simply individual emotion depending on many factors and everyone has their own favourite. So my post above should be "for me, martial's goal..."
First of all, it's hilarious that the "Martial FC" term has become so popular just because some people rate the player and believe he could help the club. I think it should be easy to understand the contradiction behind it.
Second of all, those opposing the so called "Martial FC" fans claim he's lazy and lacks work ethic, yet also claim one can't criticize Mourinho for his decision making because we don't know what's happening in training. That's contradicting itself as well. You can't accuse a player of not having a good work ethic, yet claim we don't know what's happening in training.
What can be pointed out is how many chances some players receive over others. What can also be pointed out is performances on the pitch. That should be the measuring stick.
Second of all, those opposing the so called "Martial FC" fans claim he's lazy and lacks work ethic, yet also claim one can't criticize Mourinho for his decision making because we don't know what's happening in training. That's contradicting itself as well. You can't accuse a player of not having a good work ethic, yet claim we don't know what's happening in training.
What can be pointed out is how many chances some players receive over others. What can also be pointed out is performances on the pitch. That should be the measuring stick.
I don't know how anyone can watch last night's game and think letting Martial go is a good idea.
Under LVG the only time any exciting attacking play happened was when he was on the pitch. We're barely any better now.
Under LVG the only time any exciting attacking play happened was when he was on the pitch. We're barely any better now.
Based on his game against Brighton, Martial wouldn't have made any impact last night. Problem was the tactics, not the players.
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