[Raees]

I tend to agree with you, but what do you really mean by 'technically'? 'Cos I get the feeling most people just mean "dribbling", you know?... I think it's potentially fair to say Rashford has so far demonstrated the greater aptitude for a broader set of skills. Crossing, shooting, dead ball prowess, decision making etc - all more evident in Rashford so far, but Martial's ability to dribble in close quarters (when it comes off) seems to instantly propel him into a higher technical category by default. I don't necessarily disagree with it either, I just find it mildly interesting. What makes one 'technical' and the other not?

Rashford has great range in terms of technical attributes as he can do many things but in terms of consistency of application he's incredibly erratic.. I.e. His first touch, accuracy of dribbling are very wayward to the point where he veers between a championship player and a world class player in terms of the overall technical quality he shows in his performances.

Like apart from he's two goals in the first game he's been utterly dogshit during pre season but no one will call him out on it due to his protected status as a golden boy whereas if Martial had shown similar technical deficiencies such as constantly losing control of the ball he'd be lambasted.

Not saying that Martial will definitely end up the better player because Rashford has a superior mentality but if we were basing it here and now on who is the more technical footballer it would be Martial because he can carry out the fundamentals more consistently and is capable of doing it at a higher level against any level of player , I.e. Strong first touch, ball sticks close to his foot, doesn't run it out of play. Rashford is technically a better striker of the ball I'd say but a confident Martial is a damn good finisher it's just he's lost his belief in this regard.

For me technically better is about consistency and ability to pull it off at a higher level - if you're capable of doing many things but 9 times out of 10 you're unable to pull them off or it goes to pieces against a top team or someone having a good game against you versus a guy who has maybe less in his locker but does it well consistently I'd say the latter is more technically gifted. I.e Scholes versus Gerrard.. in terms of range of what they can do, I'd say it's tight but Gerrard probably has more in his locker but Scholes fundamentals were so damn good and consistent that is why he's talked about so highly and even technicians like Xavi and Zidane spoke so highly of him.

Martial at his best looks like a elite footballer in the making but of course he still has many flaws in terms of decision making and predictability issues whereas Rashford is more unpredictable which is a good thing but blinkers aside he can look really poor technically to the point where he can't even control a ball.

In an ideal world you'd have combination of Martials talent and Rashfords brain but it is interesting to see which one will go on to be the better footballer. For me Jose is very biased towards Rashford but under a more objective manager it would probably be Martial who the team is built around.

 

[NoPace]

I thought his decision making and passing were terrible today.

My guess is he and Mkhitaryan are in a fight for the LW job when we play 4-3-3, but when we play 4-4-2 like against City or 3 at the back he's not going to figure much since Rashford and Mkhitaryan are ahead of him as front 2 players and partners for Lukaku.

 

[Mr.Ridiculous__]

he's technically so much better than Rashford.

It's not even a contest imo.

 

[Dazzmondo]

Thought he was brilliant today. He made a very noticeable difference when he came on. Any time he got the ball he was looking to be direct and create something and ended up with an excellent assist and could have had a couple others too. Could have shot a couple times but tried to pass it instead. Not sure if this is due to Jose hinting at him being selfish in the 1st pre-season game (if he thought that I'm sure he'd have told him privately). If Jose did tell him that I hope he doesn't become afraid to shoot because that would take away a lot of his threat. Hope he's heavily involved this season. Don't see him starting the season in the first XI which is a shame tbh because he looks to be in good form. Still hopefully Jose will give him a chance to be a starter at some point in the season and he will take the chance.

 

[Raees]

I thought his decision making and passing were terrible today.

My guess is he and Mkhitaryan are in a fight for the LW job when we play 4-3-3, but when we play 4-4-2 like against City or 3 at the back he's not going to figure much since Rashford and Mkhitaryan are ahead of him as front 2 players and partners for Lukaku.

Agree somewhat as his passing can very frustrating especially when it's from left wing to edge of the box which ironically is where got an assist from when he got it right.

 

[Dazzmondo]

Jose needs players he can rely on every week. Martial is hugely talented but he isn't reliable. He has one good game in every five he plays. The club isn't a nursery, you need to come in to the side and stamp your claim to be in it next week, and by no measure has Martial done that.

When he played well last season, Jose always picked him the following game and his performance always dropped. I'm a big fan of Martial, but he needs to be more consistent in what he offers the team. Winning teams can't afford to gamble on a player that may or may not be any good on any given day.

Tbf now, you could say the exact same thing about Rashford and yet he got far more appearances than Martial. Young players will always be inconsistent. That's normal.

 

[Santoryo]

Jose needs players he can rely on every week. Martial is hugely talented but he isn't reliable. He has one good game in every five he plays. The club isn't a nursery, you need to come in to the side and stamp your claim to be in it next week, and by no measure has Martial done that.

When he played well last season, Jose always picked him the following game and his performance always dropped. I'm a big fan of Martial, but he needs to be more consistent in what he offers the team. Winning teams can't afford to gamble on a player that may or may not be any good on any given day.

This is just another myth that started last year to justify Mourinho decisions and handling of Martial.

First of all Martial isn't some inconsistent player as overblown by some like you on this forum. It is something repeatedly said to justify Mou constant benching of him last year.

Martial has simply been inconsistently picked to play by Mourinho regardless of his performances on the pitch hence that sense of inconsistency which some equate to him being an inconsistent player.

And secondly Marticle putting on good or brilliant performances doesn't guaranty him playing time. Last year he got benched on the back of good performances. The kid came from a MOTM performance against Boro to then not featuring in the very next game. Throughout January he put in consistently good performances and Mourinho was always coming with excuses to bench him the following games ranging from Martial being tired (ridicolous excuse by the way, to him having some small knocks etc).

People started coming up with theories as to why he wasn't featuring much with most of them being straw grasp when it was simply a case of mismanagement.

It's amazing how prior to Mou coming here, he was known and showed that he'd handled many talented players like Martial poorly before but as soon as he wore a United top people erased that side of him from their memories and act as if he's always right.

 

[Wade3]

? How little? He's played as much as anyone, or do you expect him to complete 90 minutes every game? It's madness how over reactionary your post is!

My post clearly refers to small amounts of starts Martial has received, not his overall minutes. But just for the sake of it, here are some starts/minutes comparisons:

Martial: 1 start, 315 minutes

Lingard: 5 starts, 285 minutes (he missed the last two games with an injury; subtract those games from Martial's minutes and you have 240 minutes for Martial)

Rashford: 5 starts, 360 minutes

Mkhitaryan: 5 starts, 390 minutes

So, that's significantly more starts for other players who receive the chance to compete against the opponent's better players. On average, every player has received more minutes than Martial. So no, he has not played as much as anyone, let alone started as much which was my original point.

 

[pghcc]

don't start...

 

[Dobbs]

One can easily see whether a player is technical good or bad just by watching without needing number proof or x sheet of stats. It's something noticeable by eyesight.

To be the type of player Martial is, one has to be very good technically and their talents technically is further shown with a ball at their feet.

Players like Hazard, Messi, Robben, Martial etc who dribble with the ball close or glue to their feet need to be excellent with a ball otherwise they'd never pull off any decent dribble while trying to keep the ball close to their feet.

And despite what some want to belive Martial has so much more than dribbling. It's quite amazing how these stories about him lacking in other departments beside dribbling have come to be. People just come up with random stuff which sometimes stick for some odd reasons.

Agree. There's really no need to go into the question of "what is technique." That's just unnecessarily complicating it. Just watch a game and within minutes you can see who has the superior technical ability.

 

[roonster09]

My post clearly refers to small amounts of starts Martial has received, not his overall minutes. But just for the sake of it, here are some starts/minutes comparisons:

Martial: 1 start, 315 minutes

Lingard: 5 starts, 285 minutes (he missed the last two games with an injury; subtract those games from Martial's minutes and you have 240 minutes for Martial)

Rashford: 5 starts, 360 minutes

Mkhitaryan: 5 starts, 390 minutes

So, that's significantly more starts for other players who receive the chance to compete against the opponent's better players. On average, every player has received more minutes than Martial. So no, he has not played as much as anyone, let alone started as much which was my original point.

Starts in preseason counts for feckall. It's the total mins and fitness that is more important.

 

[Wade3]

Starts in preseason counts for feckall. It's the total mins and fitness that is more important.

I disagree and think in preseason, starts matter as well. Every team tends to start with its better playsers and throw the reserves on later. If you hardly start, it means you more often than not compete against the opponent's reserve players. And for what it's worth, he has played less minutes than Rashford, Lingard and Mkhitaryan on average.

 

[roonster09]

I disagree and think in preseason, starts matter as well. Every team tends to start with its better playsers and throw the reserves on later. If you hardly start, it means you more often than not compete against the opponent's reserve players. And for what it's worth, he has played less minutes than Rashford, Lingard and Mkhitaryan on average.

Not really, it's to check different combinations and tactics. End of the day only thing that matters is players getting mins and fit for the season opener.

 

[Wade3]

Not really, it's to check different combinations and tactics. End of the day only thing that matters is players getting mins and fit for the season opener.

If a player only starts one game compared to others starting five, then it does matter because it usually means those who start are the ones who are preferred. It's not as if Martial started 3 games and the others 4. The gap is significant.
And it does make a difference whether you play against the regulars of an opponent or the ones who won't receive many minutes as it is anyways.

 

[roonster09]

If a player only starts one game compared to others starting five, then it does matter because it usually means those who start are the ones who are preferred. It's not as if Martial started 3 games and the others 4. The gap is significant.
And it does make a difference whether you play against the regulars of an opponent or the ones who won't receive many minutes as it is anyways.

Galaxy played their strong team in the second half. In that half Martial played with Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Lukaku.

Real Salt lake played 3 teams, 30 mins each. Martial played alongside Herrera, Rashford, Mata.

City: He came on 60th mins and played with Pogba and Lukaku.

Mardid: Played whole 90 mins

Barca: He came on 60th mins and played with Pogba, Lukaku, Rashford.

Valerenga: Played second half. Pogba, Lukaku, Herrera all came on in the second half.

Sampdoria: 60th mins and played with Rashford, Mata.

Everytime he was on the pitch he played with important players. In 6 games, 4 times he played alongside Lukaku and Pogba who are sure starters this season.

Also if I have checked correctly, Pereira and Herrera started equal number of games, don't think that means both will play equal mins.

End of the day it's all about trying different combinations (without worrying about opposition as no one knows what teams position will play in which half) and making sure players are match fit. If anything Martial played a lot with Lukaku which means he will play alongside him lot more this season.

 

[Carl]

Surprised to see so many saying he was excellent yesterday. For me he summed up the problem we have with him in that he had a fantastic assist and was a constant threat but gave the ball away on countless needless occasions.

He's young, potential etc etc, but it's things like that which is why Jose will continue to favour others over him.

 

[Adam-Utd]

He naturally wants to come inside into traffic which is a little frustrating considering his pace dribbling ability.

I wish he would learn to keep wider and run his defenders out wide more often, he can still cut inside but so early that he can be double teamed easily.

He also needs to make more runs taking defenders away from the fullback, he rarely stretches a team out with sacrificial runs in behind.

If he can fix those little things though he will be a real threat. I think people get frustrated with him because his potential is so high, he could easily tear teams apart by himself.

 

[Wade3]

Galaxy played their strong team in the second half. In that half Martial played with Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Lukaku.

Real Salt lake played 3 teams, 30 mins each. Martial played alongside Herrera, Rashford, Mata.

City: He came on 60th mins and played with Pogba and Lukaku.

Mardid: Played whole 90 mins

Barca: He came on 60th mins and played with Pogba, Lukaku, Rashford.

Valerenga: Played second half. Pogba, Lukaku, Herrera all came on in the second half.

Sampdoria: 60th mins and played with Rashford, Mata.

Everytime he was on the pitch he played with important players. In 6 games, 4 times he played alongside Lukaku and Pogba who are sure starters this season.

Also if I have checked correctly, Pereira and Herrera started equal number of games, don't think that means both will play equal mins.

End of the day it's all about trying different combinations (without worrying about opposition as no one knows what teams position will play in which half) and making sure players are match fit. If anything Martial played a lot with Lukaku which means he will play alongside him lot more this season.

He's always going to play next to some first-teamers, but he nonetheless received less of an opportunity compared to Rashford, Lingard or Mkhitaryan. The Pereira-Herrera situation shows that those players both received equal opportunities.

 

[Womp]

Surprised to see so many saying he was excellent yesterday. For me he summed up the problem we have with him in that he had a fantastic assist and was a constant threat but gave the ball away on countless needless occasions.

He's young, potential etc etc, but it's things like that which is why Jose will continue to favour others over him.

TBF you're not allowed to question Martial without being branded a bias Mourinho fan who hates good football or something. That being said, I thought he was quite good yesterday, better than he has been anyway, looked more energetic to me which is a good sign.

 

[Wade3]

Surprised to see so many saying he was excellent yesterday. For me he summed up the problem we have with him in that he had a fantastic assist and was a constant threat but gave the ball away on countless needless occasions.

He's young, potential etc etc, but it's things like that which is why Jose will continue to favour others over him.

You have to know your personnel as a manager. Martial is the type of player who excels in one-on-one situations, who can create space and chances by attacking and beating his man, something he's better at than pretty much every player on our team. This obviously includes the downside of him losing the ball, but also has the upside of him doing something nobody else can do at that level. Our attack was pretty impotent and his raw output was, despite him having a poor season by his standards, still solid compared to other players on our team.
Perhaps part of the solution to our offense woes is learning to live with Martial giving the ball away more often than the likes of Lingard, but at the same time being the guy who can create space and great chances out of seemingly nothing.

 

[roonster09]

It's not about who he is playing with, but who he's playing against. Barca took a lot of regulars off at halftime, as did City.
He's always going to play next to some first-teamers, but he nonetheless received less of an opportunity compared to Rashford, Lingard or Mkhitaryan. The Pereira-Herrera situation shows that those players both received equal opportunities.

No one knows which team will opposition play in which half. For example LA played strong team in second half, Salt Lake played with 3 teams. City subbed in Stones, Otamendi, Mangala in the second half.

I think you are reading way too much into this.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Surprised to see so many saying he was excellent yesterday. For me he summed up the problem we have with him in that he had a fantastic assist and was a constant threat but gave the ball away on countless needless occasions.

He's young, potential etc etc, but it's things like that which is why Jose will continue to favour others over him.

Yeah, I didn't see an excellent performance either. It's weird. In his last game he was far too direct, ran down blind alleys and took on shots when the better option was to pass. This time he was the opposite. Always looking to pass when he had good opportunities to shoot.

Plus there was the perennial problem of him being static. He almost never makes any runs in behind. Just stands on the wing and waits for passes in to his feet. Which is well and good when he's up against some mediocre defenders like he was last night but won't work against tougher opposition. This will be spun by his defenders on here into "he's always double-teamed" but the reason he so rarely gets one vs one is because he doesn't make the runs necessary to create those situations.

It's so damn frustrating to watch because his feet are so quick he could rinse a single defender without thinking but he's constantly up against two or three of them because of his own failings in terms of finding some space to operate. All of which means it takes an absurdly high class bit of dribbling (as we saw against Madrid) for him to get to the byline, when a simple give and go could create the same situation, if he was a bit quicker off the mark.

 

[MadMike]

Surprised to see so many saying he was excellent yesterday. For me he summed up the problem we have with him in that he had a fantastic assist and was a constant threat but gave the ball away on countless needless occasions.

He's young, potential etc etc, but it's things like that which is why Jose will continue to favour others over him.

Players who take on offensive responsibilities will always end up losing the ball more. Perisic lobs 10 crosses in the box on average per game of which (as expected) not even half find a target and only 1 in 20 end up as assists. For Martial it's dribbling rather than crossing.

And if Jose continues to favour players like Lingard who offer precious little enterprise going forward for sake of hard work or whatever... than the blame for bad season is squarely with him. Because even in a bad season, Martial was as productive last year as Rashford and Lingard combined, with under half their total minutes. Yet he showed faith in the latter two but not the former. Which back fired as we ended up 6th. Which was not because we lacked running or energy but because we lacked someone that would make something out of nothing in the final 3rd.

Don't care what Mourinho thinks. Martial can give the ball away 10 times and make something on the 11th which will win us the game. Players like that need to be played. The stats back them up

 

[CG1010]

Yeah, I didn't see an excellent performance either. It's weird. In his last game he was far too direct, ran down blind alleys and took on shots when the better option was to pass. This time he was the opposite. Always looking to pass when he had good opportunities to shoot.

Plus there was the perennial problem of him being static. He almost never makes any runs in behind. Just stands on the wing and waits for passes in to his feet. Which is well and good when he's up against some mediocre defenders like he was last night but won't work against tougher opposition. This will be spun by his defenders on here into "he's always double-teamed" but the reason he so rarely gets one vs one is because he doesn't make the runs necessary to create those situations.

It's so damn frustrating to watch because his feet are so quick he could rinse a single defender without thinking but he's constantly up against two or three of them because of his own failings in terms of finding some space to operate. All of which means it takes an absurdly high class bit of dribbling (as we saw against Madrid) for him to get to the byline, when a simple give and go could create the same situation, if he was a bit quicker off the mark.

Yes, I am tired of reading on the caf about the supposed special double-marking of Martial and the need for a LB to provide overlapping support. We could definitely do with a more attacking LB but Martial's problem is his own making. Maybe Martial was given special attention in his first season when he was about the only person who was a threat but after inducting Ibra, Pogba, Mikhi and now Lukaku, I doubt he has that exalted status amongst opposition defenders anymore!

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yes, I am tired of reading on the caf about the supposed special double-marking of Martial and the need for a LB to provide overlapping support. We could definitely do with a more attacking LB but Martial's problem is his own making. Maybe Martial was given special attention in his first season when he was about the only person who was a threat but after inducting Ibra, Pogba, Mikhi and now Lukaku, I doubt he has that exalted status amongst opposition defenders anymore!

Yeah, the problem goes beyond being static when he's waiting for a pass too. As soon as he receives the ball his first instinct is to... stand still.

This gives the defence time to drift across and before you know it he's trying to weave his way through a cluster of defenders.

If he'd just take a pass on the run every now and then he'd be a completely different threat. I'm fairly sure he's quick but it's hard to tell because I can't remember the last time he actually used his pace!

 

[Carl]

Players who take on offensive responsibilities will always end up losing the ball more. Perisic lobs 10 crosses in the box on average per game of which (as expected) not even half find a target and only 1 in 20 end up as assists. For Martial it's dribbling rather than crossing.

And if Jose continues to favour players like Lingard who offer precious little enterprise going forward for sake of hard work or whatever... than the blame for bad season is squarely with him. Because even in a bad season, Martial was as productive last year as Rashford and Lingard combined, with under half their total minutes. Yet he showed faith in the latter two but not the former. Which back fired as we ended up 6th. Which was not because we lacked running or energy but because we lacked someone that would make something out of nothing in the final 3rd.

Don't care what Mourinho thinks. Martial can give the ball away 10 times and make something on the 11th which will win us the game. Players like that need to be played. The stats back them up

I dunno man. First and foremost I absolutely agree that you have to give offensive players more license to lose the ball because they try riskier stuff. But when do you reach the point where they lose it too often? For me, that's Martial right now.

In games where you dominate possession it's not too bad, because you know that more opportunities will come. However, in the big games you may only get 1 or 2 opportunities and given Martial's current hit rate I'd fancy him to waste those 2 chances at the moment rather than take them.

Not saying I don't like Martial btw, I think he's pretty mint and I'm excited for what he could become. But at the same time I totally see why he's not in the team as often as others would like, and it's because he's not good enough to be a fixture in it yet.

 

[Wade3]

Yeah, I didn't see an excellent performance either. It's weird. In his last game he was far too direct, ran down blind alleys and took on shots when the better option was to pass. This time he was the opposite. Always looking to pass when he had good opportunities to shoot.

Plus there was the perennial problem of him being static. He almost never makes any runs in behind. Just stands on the wing and waits for passes in to his feet. Which is well and good when he's up against some mediocre defenders like he was last night but won't work against tougher opposition. This will be spun by his defenders on here into "he's always double-teamed" but the reason he so rarely gets one vs one is because he doesn't make the runs necessary to create those situations.

It's so damn frustrating to watch because his feet are so quick he could rinse a single defender without thinking but he's constantly up against two or three of them because of his own failings in terms of finding some space to operate. All of which means it takes an absurdly high class bit of dribbling (as we saw against Madrid) for him to get to the byline, when a simple give and go could create the same situation, if he was a bit quicker off the mark.

While I agree that he isn't an expert at running behind a defender without the ball, he surely initiated plenty of 1-2s but simply didn't receive the ball back after passing it and then running into open space.

I do think somebody like Lukaku is a better fit for him as Lukaku doesn't drop as deeply as Ibrahimovic and thus doesn't occupy the space Martial enjoys operating in.

EDIT: I also think none of our forwards get analyzed as much as he does. How good and productive were Rashford (who I'm a being fan of) and Lingard really?

 

[AmanNits04]

I would like to see either of these two things to happen when Martial plays ,either the fullback makes an overlapping run to give some space to Martial or he goes wide and beyond the defender.I am starting to get frustrated when team double up on him and he has no other way to go.Do either of those things and his output will improve.

 

[E-mal]

All these microanalysis of him from football Ensteins on the forum was not there in his first season.
Guess what? the coach began to drop him and mismanage him and suddenly these flaws became apparent.
Even the greatest of players will loose confidence in themselves when a New manager takes their shirt and began to drop them for lesser players.
You need confidence to make runs and try new stuffs knowing the manager is just waiting for you to have an average game so he brings his hardworking players in.
I keep saying it but I think the manager doesnt rate him enough and we should all accept it as the boss can do no wrong.

 

[CG1010]

All these microanalysis of him from football Ensteins on the forum was not there in his first season.
Guess what? the coach began to drop him and mismanage him and suddenly these flaws became apparent.
Even the greatest of players will loose confidence in themselves when a New manager takes their shirt and began to drop them for lesser players.
You need confidence to make runs and try new stuffs knowing the manager is just waiting for you to have an average game so he brings his hardworking players in.
I keep saying it but I think the manager doesnt rate him enough and we should all accept it as the boss can do no wrong.

Why don't you go through Martial's last year's performance threads in the initial months and see if the 'football Ensteins" criticised him when the manager was playing him regularly? Also why on earth would someone criticise him for lack of movement in the LVG's season when everybody used to stand still and so did he. Under Jose, that particular weakness has been under spotlight and has nothing to do with how Jose rates him btw. And additionally I don't think Jose rates him as badly as you say as otherwise he would already have been shown the door!

 

[Lennon7]

Maybe it's nothing...but one of the things I've noticed in Martial's game, that would frustrate me as a striker if I was playing with him... is his determination to drive forward until the very last minute THEN send a pass to Lukaku. Today was the second time I saw Rome get frustrated with Martial by not passing the ball sooner when Martial was attacking.

Yes, due to some miraculous dribbling against RM it resulted in a Lingard goal, and today it resulted in a corner that led to Rome getting a goal. It's still not good TEAM basketball.

I expect a winger (less so a striker) to be good at team ball and knowing how to set up someone else to score.

Martial has the heart of a striker, not a winger. I hope it's something he's still young enough to learn.

I think you're confusing yesterday's game with Rome's basket-teamball final. It was a tight one.

 

[Lennon7]

Should play as a pure forward, as in not having to track back. His quality needs to be utilised.

Needs a dynamic, hard working, quick left back for that if he's playing on the left side. Something we lack terribly.

 

[CG1010]

@Wade3 I guess that's because there is a large amount of consensus on the caf on the abilities of Rashford and Lingard. Yes in Martial's case, the situation is very polarised. Some (like me) see him as a talented player who still needs some time to develop into a well rounded player and some others feel he deserves to be a permanent fixture in the team and accuse those not agreeing to be be managers' stooges or something like that.

 

[Adisa]

He's 21 and his game is still developing, Mourinho said as much. .
Everyone should be encouraged by what he's produced this preseason.
IMO, he's still by far and away our best attacker at breaking teams down. Even his prescence on the field creates space for others.

 

[E-mal]

Why don't you go through Martial's last year's performance threads in the initial months and see if the 'football Ensteins" criticised him when the manager was playing him regularly? Also why on earth would someone criticise him for lack of movement in the LVG's season when everybody used to stand still and so did he. Under Jose, that particular weakness has been under spotlight and has nothing to do with how Jose rates him btw. And additionally I don't think Jose rates him as badly as you say as otherwise he would already have been shown the door!

He had a poor start to the season, it wasnt just the so called movement. He had a poor euros and that was compounded with how the manager undermined his place in the team and tried to belittle the young man's previous season.
Am not going to say much and will not continue this discussion as my posts are limited, but I highly doubt he will be a success under this manager. He wasnt the first young player to struggle under the manager and he wont be the last, this is not bashing Jose as he is good in achieving results with his specific players albeit short termed.
He will likely leave the club in janaury or end of the season if he doesnt get more playing time and may or may not realise his potential in football. This things happen and people must learn to accept it than go in cycles trying to microanalyse players they love too much to justify the managers treatment of them.
Is some sort of tough love between the caf and Martial, and am bored of reading through the forum and his fans and critics go in cycle.
He is a good young player that has alot of room for improvement, if he doesnt make it here is not the end of the world for him or for us.
Much said and here is hoping he has a good season and cement his place, cheers mate.

 

[Wade3]

@Wade3 I guess that's because there is a large amount of consensus on the caf on the abilities of Rashford and Lingard. Yes in Martial's case, the situation is very polarised. Some (like me) see him as a talented player who still needs some time to develop into a well rounded player and some others feel he deserves to be a permanent fixture in the team and accuse those not agreeing to be be managers' stooges or something like that.

Rashford is just as raw as Martial, if not more. Lingard is the most polished player but talent and quality wise simply a notch below the other two. Either way, neither Rashford nor Lingard are more productive than Martial.

 

[Oldham]

Very encouraging performance from Martial. He can be devastating running at defences as he was doing yesterday.
And I thought his movement of the ball was very good yesterday, making him available all the time for his teammates.

 

[AbstruseAlan]

Just met him in Manchester Airport, off to Paris for the weekend with his missus, I'm in love!

 

[AmanNits04]

All these microanalysis of him from football Ensteins on the forum was not there in his first season.
Guess what? the coach began to drop him and mismanage him and suddenly these flaws became apparent.
Even the greatest of players will loose confidence in themselves when a New manager takes their shirt and began to drop them for lesser players.
You need confidence to make runs and try new stuffs knowing the manager is just waiting for you to have an average game so he brings his hardworking players in.
I keep saying it but I think the manager doesnt rate him enough and we should all accept it as the boss can do no wrong.

He will get confidence once he makes those runs,he isn't making any Lukaku,Rashford Hell even Perreira was making such wonderful runs yesterday in the channels.He never does it and i don't know why.He has pace to burn any fullback in this world.I am still one of his biggest fan because i know he i more than capable to replicate his first season form.I hope he comes good this time and continues to play for us.Mourinho has no agenda against him nor does in any way Jose undermine him.

 

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Just met him in Manchester Airport, off to Paris for the weekend with his missus, I'm in love!

I suppose in love with his Missus