[sportsczy]

Benzema has always underachieved for France and been the center of controversy there. Even before his first selection, he said that his heart said Algeria but his mind said France. That immediately put him in the bad graces of the public and rightly so.

Regarding the scandal... he used the NT get together to approach a NT teammate and act as an intermediary for blackmail. For me, he should never play for France again. That's outrageous. He should thank his lucky stars the Deschamps is the manager as opposed to Aimet Jacquet or he would never ever see international football again.

Finally, controversy only impacted results in 2010. In 2012, we went to the Euro quarters and lost to Spain (outclassed). In 2014, we went to the WC quarters and barely lost to Germany. Now we made the Euro final.

We have successfully transitioned from the era of Henry, Vieira, Gallas, Abidal, etc. to a brand new and very young squad. It cost us 2010 WC. These types of media controversies have always been a part of France national teams. We had the Cantona and Ginola problems in the 90s. Then it was the new generation of Evra, Ribery, etc. clashing with the 98 old guard. After that, you had Anelka, Nasri and Benzema.

That's just how we roll. It doesn't effect our performance. We just have a lot of top class players with huge egos. They all want to make their mark on the national team and they end up clashing. We usually perform fine on the pitch.

And that's why i like Deschamps btw. He's trying to change the culture. If a player doesn't train/play hard and creates problems in the locker room, he just won't take him. He doesn't care how talented the player is. As he keeps saying, the group is more important than any individual player. I respect that.

 

[Adisa]

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/Anthony-martial-n-a-plus-de-marge/735948

L'Equipe saying that, with the emergence of Ousmane Dembele and the return of Fekir, Martial is now likely to lose his France NT spot. It is very likely that the 2 outside forward spots will go to Griezmann, Payet, Coman and Fekir. Dembele may get in as the 5th if it is deemed necessary cover. Martial has fallen to 6th on the depth chart.

Benzema is likely going to be called again too and Lacazette is healthy. The likely CF trio will be Benzema, Gameiro and Giroud with Lacazette as the alternate. Not room for him there either.

Martial really needs to turn it on if he wants to go to the world cup. Competition is fierce and he's falling behind.

Even if he loses his place, it isn't a big deal. Your assumption is that the likes of Dembele, Conman won't hit rough patches.
The most important thing Martial needs to do is, get back in form for Manchster United.
His last two games against Zorya and Stoke were steps in the right direction.
I'm sure Mourinho and the coaches are telling him the same thing.

 

[Brightonian]

Even if he loses his place, it isn't a big deal. Your assumption is that the likes of Dembele, Conman won't hit rough patches.
The most important thing Martial needs to do is, get back in form for Manchster United.
His last two games against Zorya and Stoke were steps in the right direction.
I'm sure Mourinho and the coaches are telling him the same thing.

Good post. He doesn't need to worry about his international place. He's a potentially world class player. He just needs to focus on continuing the good progress back to form he's made with us recently.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Doesn't matter anyway, by the time the WC starts he will be better than all those players mentioned (bar Benzema).

You are really sure he'll be better than Griezmann, Dembele, Lacazette and even Coman and Fekir in two years?

 

[cyberman]

Even if he loses his place, it isn't a big deal. Your assumption is that the likes of Dembele, Conman won't hit rough patches.
The most important thing Martial needs to do is, get back in form for Manchster United.
His last two games against Zorya and Stoke were steps in the right direction.
I'm sure Mourinho and the coaches are telling him the same thing.

Stories are already leaking out that Bayern aren't too sure about Coman themselves.

 

[sunama]

Martial really needs to turn it on if he wants to go to the world cup. Competition is fierce and he's falling behind.

World Cup is in about 20 months. A lot can change in that time.
Martial may put in Bal on dor performances next season.
Similarly, other player can lose form or get injured.

It is too early to tell who will play in Frances attacking line-up, in 20 months.

I do agree though, Martial has a lot to prove. He has had only 1 decent (not great) season. And he may be a one sesaon wonder. He'll need to raise his game several levels, if he is to play regularly in Russia.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Not worried. He's just 20. I could see Coman, Martial and Dembele being their front three in the future with Griezmann behind Martial. Long way to go in his career. If he's not first choice by the time he is 23 I'd be very surprised.

 

[Zoo]

I do agree though, Martial has a lot to prove. He has had only 1 decent (not great) season. And he may be a one sesaon wonder. He'll need to raise his game several levels, if he is to play regularly in Russia.

For a debut season in a new country, at his age with all the pressure of that transfer fee and playing in a dysfunctional team he was a lot more then just decent.

 

[Cascarino]

I do think he's far from his best but unlike many other young talents that fans worry about, it's very easy to see his innate talent, the way he carries the ball. As long as he works hard he should end up being a very good player, at the least.

 

[podurban2]

You are really sure he'll be better than Griezmann, Dembele, Lacazette and even Coman and Fekir in two years?

Sorry, I was referring to the second paragraph where he didn't list Griezmann. And no, of course I'm not sure, how could one be about something two years from now? Do I think so? Yes.

 

[sportsczy]

Most NT managers lock their team during the final 6-8 months leading to a major competition except if a player just plays exceptionally and/or if a position is unsettled... so really, Martial has 12 months for a realistic chance. He can still force himself on after that; but it will be much harder. Deschamps is also the kind of manager that is loyal to his players. If you play a big part to get your team qualified for a competition... then you deserve to play that competition.

Injuries happen too of course.

I wish he flourishes and becomes the great player he can be. I'm just noting that he's losing ground right now and the competition is very fierce. Time flies in football and, if you don't take opportunities when they present themselves, someone usually takes them from you.

 

[kouroux]

His stock in France is a low level for sure, he has a lot of time and he is still very young. French people are among the biggest bandwagoners you'll see so he'll be full of praise if he starts to play better a little (emphasis on "a little").
I personally don't see what's special about Coman, he just seems to be a fast player but a bit limited in his overall player. The real great talents are Dembelé and Fekir, these are the types of players I'm excited to see play for the national team.

 

[sportsczy]

Coman has been starting for Bayern... he's very very very good. He just turned 20 as well and is progressing fast. Only thing that has come in his way are little injuries. He's started 3 of the last 4 Bundesliga games. He cannot be stopped 1v1 unless it's truly a world class fullback (and even then). What he does is force 2 players to cover his side which opens up the middle of the pitch. True winger. Can play either on the left or the right too. Just as comfortable going wide or cutting in.

I personally love him. I think he's every bit as good as Martial, if not better because he has that very sharp competitive edge.

 

[pocco]

Martial has more natural talent than Coman. I've seen Coman have plenty of bad games where a little bit of intelligence from a fullback has nullified his pace and dealt with him.

 

[sportsczy]

Same with Martial. Coman is actually 6 months younger than Martial. He just turned 20 over the summer. They both lack experience so they don't have alternatives to plan A.

Difference with Coman though is that he goes after it every single second in practice and in games. You never question the effort to go along with the talent. At times, you actually wish he would slow down a bit as he seems to be going too fast.

I think Martial is more technical, but Coman is no slouch and he's actually faster. He's also tactically improving, which Martial isn't unfortunately. That's the big thing: I want to see Martial become a training ground warrior and someone who works on tactical nuances to his game. It will take time... but i'd like to see some incremental progress there which i haven't.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Coman will be great, next Ribery.

 

[Dobbs]

That's the big thing: I want to see Martial become a training ground warrior and someone who works on tactical nuances to his game. It will take time... but i'd like to see some incremental progress there which i haven't.

His progress over the last 2 years has been massive. He's gone from being relatively unknown at Monaco (did he even complete 90mins for them?) to United's best player. All at 19/20 years of age.

A handful of poor games shouldn't detract from the huge leaps his career has recently taken.

 

[Terminator]

Something about Coman screams 'Willian' to me. Sure he works hard, but does he have the ability to become world class? I doubt it.

 

[sportsczy]

His career has taken a leap in terms of playing time, which led to more productivity. But he's the same player mostly to when he left Monaco. I knew he was going to blow up the season Monaco had him inked in as the starting CF. Man Utd just came in and took him away after seeing how good he looked in preseason and champion's league qualifying games.

Man Utd is just far more visible and hyped, obviously, so very few were aware of him when he was at Monaco.

I actually think that, in terms of holdup play and movement, he's regressed because he's playing wide. It's been 90% talent and beating his man at Man Utd with some linkup sprayed in there. At Monaco, it was about holdup play, movement, linkup and getting open without the ball. His dribbling was a given. They were forcing him to work on getting open without the ball so his movement put defenses on the back foot first.... all the stuff that Valere Germain is doing with far less talent.

A lot of that stuff just hasn't been used at Man Utd and he's lost it imo.

Would you disagree that he looked at his best immediately after joining from Monaco? He certainly didn't get better as the season continued. He became a better defensive winger, that much is true.

 

[Gladiator]

Something about Coman screams 'Willian' to me. Sure he works hard, but does he have the ability to become world class? I doubt it.

what would qualify as being world class here?

 

[Sam M]

His career has taken a leap in terms of playing time, which led to more productivity. But he's the same player mostly to when he left Monaco. I knew he was going to blow up the season Monaco had him inked in as the starting CF. Man Utd just came in and took him away after seeing how good he looked in preseason and champion's league qualifying games.

Man Utd is just far more visible and hyped, obviously, so very few were aware of him when he was at Monaco.

I actually think that, in terms of holdup play and movement, he's regressed because he's playing wide. It's been 90% talent and beating his man at Man Utd with some linkup sprayed in there. At Monaco, it was about holdup play, movement, linkup and getting open without the ball. His dribbling was a given. They were forcing him to work on getting open without the ball so his movement put defenses on the back foot first.... all the stuff that Valere Germain is doing with far less talent.

A lot of that stuff just hasn't been used at Man Utd and he's lost it imo.

Would you disagree that he looked at his best immediately after joining from Monaco? He certainly didn't get better as the season continued. He became a better defensive winger, that much is true.

Yes, a 20/21 yr old has lost his game.
Stop wumming and concern yourself with your own sorry mess of a club.

 

[sportsczy]

Willian lol. Coman has beaten out Ribery for the starting role at Bayern... which is why Ribery is grumbling. Heck, he even benched Robben at times last year with Douglas Costa on the other side. Pep Guardiola is no idiot. Neither is Carlo.

 

[Gladiator]

His career has taken a leap in terms of playing time, which led to more productivity. But he's the same player mostly to when he left Monaco. I knew he was going to blow up the season Monaco had him inked in as the starting CF. Man Utd just came in and took him away after seeing how good he looked in preseason and champion's league qualifying games.

Man Utd is just far more visible and hyped, obviously, so very few were aware of him when he was at Monaco.

I actually think that, in terms of holdup play and movement, he's regressed because he's playing wide. It's been 90% talent and beating his man at Man Utd with some linkup sprayed in there. At Monaco, it was about holdup play, movement, linkup and getting open without the ball. His dribbling was a given. They were forcing him to work on getting open without the ball so his movement put defenses on the back foot first.... all the stuff that Valere Germain is doing with far less talent.

A lot of that stuff just hasn't been used at Man Utd and he's lost it imo.

Would you disagree that he looked at his best immediately after joining from Monaco? He certainly didn't get better as the season continued. He became a better defensive winger, that much is true.

He certainly improved tactically under LVG. Against Everton in the cup, he exploited their poor man marking schemes and would drift from left to 10 space which helped destabilize Everton's defensive organization. That's not something he was doing at the beginning of the season

 

[sportsczy]

Yeah... European champs 2 of the last 3 seasons. We're obviously a mess compared to Man Utd

 

[sportsczy]

Anyhow, Martial will be fine as long as he works hard on the fundamental and tactical parts of the game... the stuff he's being criticized for by Deschamps. Deschamps also criticizes Pogba regarding this too btw. But I feel Pogba turned a corner against the Netherlands. He really looked like a number 6 there while picking his spots to attack. Played simple, moved well and really concentrated on the job without worrying about being spectacular.

Both are very young and will be great. My only anxiety with Martial is playing time.... he has to be a regular at Man Utd.

 

[Terminator]

Coman seems the sort of player who does everything well apart from the final ball or the killer blow. He's neat, technically good, extremely fast and hardworking but right now he is missing the X factor. I personally can't see him developing that X factor and turning into a ruthless player whose end product is very good. Just my opinion btw, I could obviously go wrong.

 

[NK86]

Same with Martial. Coman is actually 6 months younger than Martial. He just turned 20 over the summer. They both lack experience so they don't have alternatives to plan A.

Difference with Coman though is that he goes after it every single second in practice and in games. You never question the effort to go along with the talent. At times, you actually wish he would slow down a bit as he seems to be going too fast.

I think Martial is more technical, but Coman is no slouch and he's actually faster. He's also tactically improving, which Martial isn't unfortunately. That's the big thing: I want to see Martial become a training ground warrior and someone who works on tactical nuances to his game. It will take time... but i'd like to see some incremental progress there which i haven't.

Such a load of bollocks in a single post. Have you seen Martial play for United at all? Stick to commenting on Madrid and their circus.

Also, how the feck do you know what Coman and Martial do in training at their clubs? Are you peeping over the fences clicking pics at both the clubs simultaneously!

 

[NK86]

Stories are already leaking out that Bayern aren't too sure about Coman themselves.

How can you say that? @sportsczy here claims to know how Coman trains and how Bayern treat him. Surely he cannot be wrong about a club he knows squat all about in terms of their internal functioning.

 

[Cassidy]

Stories are already leaking out that Bayern aren't too sure about Coman themselves.

Well if they want to get rid, he can come to United

 

[Santoryo]

Such a load of bollocks in a single post. Have you seen Martial play for United at all? Stick to commenting on Madrid and their circus.

Also, how the feck do you know what Coman and Martial do in training at their clubs? Are you peeping over the fences clicking pics at both the clubs simultaneously!

This dude has been up Martial's case for quite some times now. He'll keep coming up with all these negative bits to say about him and dig bad rumours following him.

I say pay him no attention.

Also all these stories about Martial losing his NT place are things that he rather WANT to happen than they are actually likely to happen. This same guy has been talking about Martial losing his place for some names for a while now and now want to find some papers that would conduct such stories despite the likelihood of such happening being slim.

Martial will be around the NT and most people know this. That guy is just being hopeful.

 

[JPRouve]

This dude has been up Martial's case for quite some times now. He'll keep coming up with all these negative bits to say about him and dig bad rumours following him.

I say pay him no attention.

Also all these stories about Martial losing his NT place are things that he rather WANT to happen than they are actually likely to happen. This same guy has been talking about Martial losing his place for some names for a while now and now want to find some papers that would conduct such stories despite the likelihood of such happening being slim.

Martial will be around the NT and most people know this. That guy is just being hopeful.

This, Deschamps likes Martial and when it's the case he tends to not change his mind. Martial might not start in the near future but he will most likely be in the group.

 

[Santoryo]

I mean this same guys goes on about how Martial is like 5th or something in the pecking order for the national team when he seems to be a Payet direct replacement over any other name the dude listed

As things stand Payet is deservedly starting ahead of Martial given his form with the national team has been better than Martial. But on a whole there is more chance for Martial to nail a starting spot for France heading to Russia.

Martial has 2 years of likely first team football with United and has better prospect in his bid to have a starting berth for the NT compared to his competitions(Payet is the one really in his way).

All it takes is for us to have a good season, play to our potential then by then Martial could have already made a case for himself heading to Russia.

 

[pascell]

Can't say I'm bothered if he doesn't play for France, as long as he does the business in a United shirt that's all that counts.

 

[JPRouve]

I mean this same guys goes on about how Martial is like 5th or something in the pecking order for the national team when he seems to be a Payet direct replacement over any other name the dude listed

As things stand Payet is deservedly starting ahead of Martial given his form with the national team has been better than Martial. But on a whole there is more chance for Martial to nail a starting spot for France heading to Russia.

Martial has 2 years of likely first team football with United and has better prospect in his bid to have a starting berth for the NT compared to his competitions(Payet is the one really in his way).

All it takes is for us to have a good season, play to our potential then by then Martial could have already made a case for himself heading to Russia.

Actually Payet hasn't been good for France since April-May, so don't be surprise when Martial starts the next game.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Actually Payet hasn't been good for France since April-May, so don't be surprise when Martial starts the next game.

Yeah he was poor at the Euro's wasnt he.

 

[bosnian_red]

Yeah he was poor at the Euro's wasnt he.

Not sure if this is sarcasm but the first 2 games apart, he didnt do much.

 

[tomaldinho1]

You are really sure he'll be better than Griezmann, Dembele, Lacazette and even Coman and Fekir in two years?

Let's see what Lacazette & Dembele can do in the PL or La Liga before putting them alongside Griezmann please.

Martial has potential IMO to be France's No9 once Benzema starts to fade

 

[Sammyjunn]

Not sure if this is sarcasm but the first 2 games apart, he didnt do much.

Better than most of the others bar Griezmann still.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Let's see what Lacazette & Dembele can do in the PL or La Liga before putting them alongside Griezmann please.

Martial has potential IMO to be France's No9 once Benzema starts to fade

I dont put them alongside Griezmann tbh, but Lacazette is a top class striker and Dembele at least as talented as Martial, playing for a very good team in a strong competition. He isnt a striker though.

 

[Santoryo]

Better than most of the others bar Griezmann still.

Griezmann himself has had many stinkers of his own, including his latest appearance.