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2016-17 Performances


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I believe both Real and Chelsea set goal scoring records during his tenure with them. But yeah he struggles to get teams to score goals! Unless he sets records then just for that season he doesn't, then he reverts back to type, or maybe once he gets a team playing to his system it all clicks, then win a lot and score a lot of goals.
When?
 
I believe both Real and Chelsea set goal scoring records during his tenure with them. But yeah he struggles to get teams to score goals! Unless he sets records then just for that season he doesn't, then he reverts back to type, or maybe once he gets a team playing to his system it all clicks, then win a lot and score a lot of goals.
I knew this was going to be brought up which is why I specifically lauded Mourinho with his counter attacking football because those were the breads and butter of those teams.

But when it comes to breaking down teams, Mou isn't the first guy one would normally think about.
 
The most movement I've seen from him off the ball in a little while. Made a real effort to make runs in behind the defence. Must be something he's working on in training as it's a big flaw in his game.
 
Is it just me or he's a bit selfish sometimes and wants to beat everyone in front of him.
 
It's not that simple, it really isn't just about player making a run, the player who's got the ball must also anticipate that incoming run before sending the pass.

Plenty of times you had Rashford, Lingard, Mikhi and even Martial making those runs only for Blind, Herrera, Fellaini and even Carrick opting not to try to send the pass.

He could definitely work on that part of this game, I agree with that.
Thing is a good forward just need to work hard aka keep making those good run regardless whether his teammates sending the pass toward him or not. Why? Because those selfless runs play apart on markers. Within our team, Lingard did this quite often & being ignored, but is recognized by manager. For example Rashford goal vs Blackburn. Then we work on passers who are too limited with their vision on finding teammates. Create options, then work on picking out best options. It's dumb to work on decision making when the options are inconsistent & limited.
 
Coaching doesn't make a goalscorer stop taking their chances, thats an excuse he's just having a naff ineffective season.

Mainly i think because we no longer play through him like we did last season.
 
Coaching doesn't make a goalscorer stop taking their chances, thats an excuse he's just having a naff ineffective season.

Mainly i think because we no longer play through him like we did last season.

I don't remember him missing golden opportunities though. That was Rashford. He had a few ranged shots well saved or going narrowly wide, but nothing you'd call "a sitter" springs to mind. When he plays on the left his instructions seem to be to provide mostly width. He hasn't been in many good goal scoring positions this season.

Regardless, your first comment is wrong in my experience. When I played football in a team, working on your finishing from certain angles was pretty standard for a striker. Like, cut inside from the left, side-step a cone, try to curl it in the far corner. Or run towards the keeper and try to chip him, that sort of stuff. Repetition makes you that much more accurate and confident that you can pull it off during games. If that kind of coaching does not happen, then yes finishing can indeed be affected. It's not even an argument imo.
 
I don't remember him missing golden opportunities though. That was Rashford. He had a few ranged shots well saved or going narrowly wide, but nothing you'd call "a sitter" springs to mind. When he plays on the left his instructions seem to be to provide mostly width. He hasn't been in many good goal scoring positions this season.

Regardless, your first comment is wrong in my experience. When I played football in a team, working on your finishing from certain angles was pretty standard for a striker. Like, cut inside from the left, side-step a cone, try to curl it in the far corner. Or run towards the keeper and try to chip him, that sort of stuff. Repetition makes you that much more accurate and confident that you can pull it off during games. If that kind of coaching does not happen, then yes finishing can indeed be affected. It's not even an argument imo.

Are you suggesting we don't do finishing drills? Im sure given their performances that that isn't true.
 
Are you suggesting we don't do finishing drills? Im sure given their performances that that isn't true.

I've no idea what we do and what we don't. For example earlier in the season Mourinho said we don't practice penalties because we never get any so he saw no point. Good coaching can certainly help a lot with finishing is all I'm saying, good coaches also have tips for players, based on their individual weaknesses, on how to improve their shooting or finishing technique and what not. The importance of good coaching should not be underestimated. And yes it can make a difference even for professional players that have had years of football training. That's all.
 
I've no idea what we do and what we don't. For example earlier in the season Mourinho said we don't practice penalties because we never get any so he saw no point. Good coaching can certainly help a lot with finishing is all I'm saying, good coaches also have tips for players, based on their individual weaknesses, on how to improve their shooting or finishing technique and what not. The importance of good coaching should not be underestimated. And yes it can make a difference even for professional players that have had years of football training. That's all.

Think that was more of a tongue in cheek comment. I didn't take it at face value.
 
He's even worse than Rashford. No vision with the ball, and even worse reading the game. Thankfully he got the skill and time is on his side.
 
He's even worse than Rashford. No vision with the ball, and even worse reading the game. Thankfully he got the skill and time is on his side.

He came on for 12" and played Ibra through on goal. Like he's done many times this season. His vision is fine, it's the off-the-ball movement that's severely missing from his game.
 
He came on for 12" and played Ibra through on goal. Like he's done many times this season. His vision is fine, it's the off-the-ball movement that's severely missing from his game.
Yeh. You're right. I just see him as frustrating player.
 
I've no idea what we do and what we don't. For example earlier in the season Mourinho said we don't practice penalties because we never get any so he saw no point. Good coaching can certainly help a lot with finishing is all I'm saying, good coaches also have tips for players, based on their individual weaknesses, on how to improve their shooting or finishing technique and what not. The importance of good coaching should not be underestimated. And yes it can make a difference even for professional players that have had years of football training. That's all.

You actually took that as fact? :lol: It was obviously a dig because we have barely gotten any penalties this season
 
Looked like he really wanted to make an impression today. The runs were there and clear frustration (in a good way) when couple things didn't quite work out for him. Hope he realizes if he continues to make those hard runs and keeps up the work rate, with his talent, the manager will play him and good things will happen.
 
Should have been introduced a bit earlier. Was exciting to see that he was really trying hard in the few minutes given to him.
 
I like that Jose actually stuck him upfront with Rashford, we played almost a 4-3-1-2 which really helped Ibra too. He can drop and create while they did the running for him.

Should be doing that more often late in games.
 
Even on his off days I always feel like he's capable of creating or grabbing a goal. I really like him as a player.
 
I like that Jose actually stuck him upfront with Rashford, we played almost a 4-3-1-2 which really helped Ibra too. He can drop and create while they did the running for him.

Should be doing that more often late in games.

I'd want us to play that formation in the league game at City. They'd love to hog the ball and Jose is at his best when having his team play on the counter. That's our best chance to steal 3 points there, especially with their two stooges at center backs.
 
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To be fair, Martial and Rash stepped up last season, and LVG's coaching didn't seem to hinder them. Therefore, perhaps with a different kind of coaching, who's to say they wouldn't have been able to push on this season.

If, if, if. We can only judge based on what we actually see. I think it is a lot easier for players to shine when they have not been figured out. The real test comes after they have been figured out. Rashford and Martial took the league by storm last season because they were surprise packages. This season has been a tougher test for them: new focal points, bigger stars as team mates, better prepared opposition defenders, and a new manager. We all know how they have fared. I am not too surprised by their performances. Jose alluded to the uniqueness of this season for them.

I am confident they will eventually turn out well starting from next season because they are talented lads.
 
But that is what you don't understand. As it stands our entire gameplan revolves around accommodating Zlatan and set things up for him.

If he wasn't in UTD that would have opened the space for some other striker (already in club or bought) to perform and shine.

Regarding those last few games that Rashford played upfront. You can't really expect Rashford just to slide in and dominate CF position in a gameplan that's constructed for Zlatan. Especially after he played on the wings for the entirety of this season.

It's not the LEGO blocks.

Not sure about the highlighted bit. I think the team's plans have always changed based on all the personnel available and not just one (Zlatan). To build entire plans of a team, every time, based on only one player, will be disastrous for any team.
 
But that is what you don't understand. As it stands our entire gameplan revolves around accommodating Zlatan and set things up for him.

If he wasn't in UTD that would have opened the space for some other striker (already in club or bought) to perform and shine.

Regarding those last few games that Rashford played upfront. You can't really expect Rashford just to slide in and dominate CF position in a gameplan that's constructed for Zlatan. Especially after he played on the wings for the entirety of this season.

It's not the LEGO blocks.

Not sure about the highlighted bit. I think the team's plans have always changed based on all the personnel available and not just one (Zlatan). To build entire plans of a team, every time, based on only one player, will be disastrous for any team.
 
Not sure about the highlighted bit. I think the team's plans have always changed based on all the personnel available and not just one (Zlatan). To build entire plans of a team, every time, based on only one player, will be disastrous for any team.

Not sure about the highlighted bit. I think the team's plans have always changed based on all the personnel available and not just one (Zlatan). To build entire plans of a team, every time, based on only one player, will be disastrous for any team.

You can say that again!
 
This is very true.

For all the accolades and applauds Mou gets, offensive plays have always been his weakest area in his coaching it seems.

He can set up teams well defensively, well organised and balanced but most of his offensive acumen have come from counter attacking football but when it comes to breaking teams down he seems to struggle.

This season we've mostly resorted to hopeless crosses into the box when teams are sitting deep and soaking up the pressure. We've failed to break them down and we somehow lack composure in front of goal which should be addressed.

Bringing in an attacking coach seems like a good idea if just to bring in something fresh to the fold.

And of course this season even counter attacking football seems to have failed with Mourinho which further asks for a coach specifically for attacking plays and patterns.


Why do people keep saying this?

His Porto, Inter, Chelsea and Madrid sides scored loads of goals. Two of them broke scoring records. His Madrid side still holds the record of the highest goals scored in LA liga history. He has managed record breaking strikers and attacking midfielders - Ronaldo, Milito, Drogba, Lampard etc.

Most of the opponents his teams have played, have parked buses, yet his teams broke them down. Minus Barcelona, who does not park the bus against Real Madrid? Hard to list.

I think people believe that the Barcelona or Bayern ways are the only ways of attacking in football. Mourinho's teams attack differently - mostly by going direct but their methods work. If they didn't he wouldn't have won all he has won.

IMO, the problem with Jose, especially in more recent times, is that he does not set up his teams to go all out against big opponents. He plays way too conservatively against them and that puts too much pressure on his defences. He also does not have a natural tendency for flair in football. He is too much of a pragmatist. These are reasons why a lot of people think he is not big on attacking but that's not the reality if you ask me.
 
Will start on Thursday. I'm hoping Jose has done a management master class on Martial and Rashford. Seems to have knocked Shaw into a positive response, let's hope it's the same for the other 2. Both looked lively when they came on, but using Sunderland but any kind of gauge could be disastrous.
We desperately need goals from these boys if we get top 4/EL.
 
Anderlecht 1:1 Man Utd
What is he doing! Standing on the sideline as usual. Making no runs. And just then, Ibra does fantastically, holds the ball on the right side of the box for ages .. shifts it and puts a ball into 6 yard box. And no sign of Martial getting in. Whatever about getting into the 6 yard box. He wasn't even in the box. He's just an incredibly frustrating player at times in my opinion.
 
What is he doing! Standing on the sideline as usual. Making no runs. And just then, Ibra does fantastically, holds the ball on the right side of the box for ages .. shifts it and puts a ball into 6 yard box. And no sign of Martial getting in. Whatever about getting into the 6 yard box. He wasn't even in the box. He's just an incredibly frustrating player at times in my opinion.

He's just not the same player as he was last year. Had a great breakout season but then the bubble burst. Word to the wise for those wanting to break the bank on Mbappe.
 
He's just not the same player as he was last year. Had a great breakout season but then the bubble burst. Word to the wise for those wanting to break the bank on Mbappe.
The problem - well there are multiple. He clearly is suffering from a lack of confidence etc. But beyond that, he's done nothing to add anything new to his game. Tends to stand around waiting for the ball. No movement off the ball. And when he does get it, defenders know that 95% of the time, he's going to try and cut inside onto his right foot and curl at the far post. All too predictable.
 
The problem - well there are multiple. He clearly is suffering from a lack of confidence etc. But beyond that, he's done nothing to add anything new to his game. Tends to stand around waiting for the ball. No movement off the ball. And when he does get it, defenders know that 95% of the time, he's going to try and cut inside onto his right foot and curl at the far post. All too predictable.

I don't know if he has the heart/desire or a football brain to convert his talent into greatness. Until then, he's just a promising youngster for me.
 
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