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2015-16 Performances

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6.6 Season Average Rating
Appearances
49
Goals
17
Assists
11
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Pogue Mahone said:
Harsh but fair. There's always a marked delay between the change in the caf consensus and the reality of what is happening on the pitch. This is just as true when it comes to unpopular players hitting some form as it is when caf favourites start to experience a bit of a dip.
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It's not harsh but fair, it's just a bit of a bizarre criticism.

I'll give you he's not played particularly well, although he's also been double marked in games since Palace, but tepid is such a bizarre description. He's still been full of running and the most exciting player we have.

I'd describe someone like Mata's recent performances as 'tepid' but certainly not Martial.
 
NinjaFletch said:
It's not harsh but fair, it's just a bit of a bizarre criticism.

I'll give you he's not played particularly well, although he's also been double marked in games since Palace, but tepid is such a bizarre description. He's still been full of running and the most exciting player we have.

I'd describe someone like Mata's recent performances as 'tepid' but certainly not Martial.
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I'd say "not playing particularly well" and "tepid" are much the same thing. If we assume playing well = hot, then better to be rated tepid than cold!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'd say "not playing particularly well" and "tepid" are much the same thing. If we assume playing well = hot, then better to be rated tepid than cold!
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At the risk of getting into the sort of bizarre debate glaston was having yesterday:

I'd put words like tepid in the same category as 'bright' and 'entertaining'. You can be 'bright' and play badly and you can be 'tepid' and play well. It's a term of excitement for me, in football terms (or more accurately a lack of excitement). Martial still does things that excite me, they're just not coming off for him like they were at the start of the season.
 
NinjaFletch said:
It's not harsh but fair, it's just a bit of a bizarre criticism.

I'll give you he's not played particularly well, although he's also been double marked in games since Palace, but tepid is such a bizarre description. He's still been full of running and the most exciting player we have.

I'd describe someone like Mata's recent performances as 'tepid' but certainly not Martial.
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To say that he has been average to decent is not bizarre criticism in my book. I would say terming it bizarre is more bizarre. Now we are getting Glaston territory.

He actually played quite badly against CSKA and was taken off with half an hour to go whilst we were desperate for a goal. That shows you that LVG was not pleased with the performance.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
To say that he has been average to decent is not bizarre criticism in my book. I would say terming it bizarre is more bizarre. Now we are getting Glaston territory.

He actually played quite badly against CSKA and was taken off with half an hour to go whilst we were desperate for a goal. That shows you that LVG was not pleased with the performance.
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Vs Palace he created our best 2 chances, vs Westbrom he was unlucky not to score and then he won the penalty. He didn't have a great game vs CSKA but he hasn't exactly been average in the other games either (unless you're just talking about that one game)
 
Cassidy said:
Vs Palace he created our best 2 chances, vs Westbrom he was unlucky not to score and then he won the penalty. He didn't have a great game vs CSKA but he hasn't exactly been average in the other games either (unless you're just talking about that one game)
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If he is anywhere near as good as this thread suggests then he has been average by his own standards. Leo Messi's career would be declared over if he only 3 created chances and nearly scored once over the period of five games.
 
CG1010 said:
That headline sounded scary. The article is much better though.

On another note - I have started liking Sport Witness a lot. Its good to have a genuine source compiling the information available. They seem to "get" united fans too.
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During the last transfer season they helped me keep my sanity. I have been a fan since
 
RE: Sport Witness

They're the only twitter related media that are worth following tbh. Not only are their articles very good but they also tend to rip other rubbish articles to pieces. A credit to their profession.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
If he is anywhere near as good as this thread suggests then he has been average by his own standards. Leo Messi's career would be declared over if he only 3 created chances and nearly scored once over the period of five games.
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He is not Messi, he wasn't average vs Palace or Westbrom, but then he also wasn't brilliant either.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
To say that he has been average to decent is not bizarre criticism in my book. I would say terming it bizarre is more bizarre. Now we are getting Glaston territory.

He actually played quite badly against CSKA and was taken off with half an hour to go whilst we were desperate for a goal. That shows you that LVG was not pleased with the performance.
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What is it with this website and people only reading like one sentence of a response?

I just find the vocabulary odd, I don't think I've ever heard 'tepid' used as a synonym for 'bad' before, whereas its used frequently for 'uninspiring' or 'unexciting' something which Martial hasn't been. If you'd read to literally the second sentence of my reply to you I said 'I'll give you he's not played particularly well'.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Mata is more important to us than Martial IMO, as is De Gea and possibly Smalling. I don't think the squad rest on the availability of Martial at all.
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Only one of the players that you mentioned scores goals on a regular basis.. He is vital to us without him we have little or no threat in front of goal..
 
Classical Mechanic said:
If he is anywhere near as good as this thread suggests then he has been average by his own standards. Leo Messi's career would be declared over if he only 3 created chances and nearly scored once over the period of five games.
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Good thing it's a teenager being judged and not Leo Messi. He was the best attacker vs city on either side. Against palace they set up with an intention to stop mainly him, and he still had a few great moments, and again was our best attacker. Won a penalty on our last game.

Hopefully people don't get under some strange illusion that it's only the first four games where he scored that he played well. He's been class all season barring one or two here and there. Even against Everton he bossed Coleman.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
If he is anywhere near as good as this thread suggests then he has been average by his own standards. Leo Messi's career would be declared over if he only 3 created chances and nearly scored once over the period of five games.
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It would be idiotic for anyone to judge him against Messi. That would be unfair on anyone, including a 19 year old Messi himself.

For a 19 year old under that much expectation, he has been a revelation for us, and even when he has not scored, he's still been quite good for us. He's also created chances during that period that have not been converted by others. He's not perfect, but the kid has been very good for us, and even for his NT team.

But its the thing around here, every player seems to have unwarranted detractors, even when he has done well, as some people cant help but go against the consensus opinion.
 
K2K said:
It would be idiotic for anyone to judge him against Messi. That would be unfair on anyone, including a 19 year old Messi himself.

For a 19 year old under that much expectation, he has been a revelation for us, and even when he has not scored, he's still been quite good for us. He's also created chances during that period that have not been converted by others. He's not perfect, but the kid has been very good for us, and even for his NT team.

But its the thing around here, every player seems to have unwarranted detractors, even when he has done well, as some people cant help but go against the consensus opinion.
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I am not a Martial detractor FFS. I just think that he has been average to decent in recent games and not exactly a decisive player for us. I still think he is a great talent and could be a world class player for us. I actually think he plays within himself at the moment. The hyperbole around him on the CAF does get a little too much I feel though. I agree as well, overall he has been one of our best attacking players this season, probably the best. The strength of this team hasn't been upfront, however. The defence has been the standout for me.
 


Nice little video. First time I heard him speak. Little bit of english at the end, as well.

Favorite players - Brazilian Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Zidane. Couldn't have chosen better.
 
VorZakone said:


19 years old :eek:
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When you look at the chances he created for Rooney vs Everton, Rooney vs Wolfsburg, Memphis vs Sunderland (all should have scored) and the Lingard chance vs City (unlucky not to score) he quite easily should have another 3/4 assists to his record this season.
 
That Rooney miss against Wolfsburg looks worse and worse on each viewing. Awful miss.
 
VorZakone said:


19 years old :eek:
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Wow, just wow. A special player.

If Memphis get's his finger out, and we can help Januzaj reach his potential, we could have a very good triumvirate of attackers. With Lingard also impressing, that's four players under 22 with good to world class potential. It's a real shame we just let Januzaj go on loan.
 
VorZakone said:


19 years old :eek:
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The kid is truly special. Make the right signings over the next 2-3 years and our attack build around him could be absolutely lethal. I love that despite being a striker who plays superbly with his back to goal, he's put it great performances even when he hasn't scored. That's the hallmark of a complete player.
 
Aside of him being a great player and great lad, it's also great to shut everybody who criticized his transfer fee up.
 
Riz said:
When you look at the chances he created for Rooney vs Everton, Rooney vs Wolfsburg, Memphis vs Sunderland (all should have scored) and the Lingard chance vs City (unlucky not to score) he quite easily should have another 3/4 assists to his record this season.
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Coleman and Ricardo Rodriguez are one of the best fullbacks in their respective leagues and Martial shitted all over them.
 
Had an argument today with a Chelsea fan, claiming: Deulofeu has been better than Martial so far this season. There was even a United fan agreeing with him. Naturally, I said they are bonkers but just in case I am massively overrating our little French genius here, what does the caf say to this?

I have to admit, I don't particularly watch Everton every week...
 
El-Manos said:
Had an argument today with a Chelsea fan, claiming: Deulofeu has been better than Martial so far this season. There was even a United fan agreeing with him. Naturally, I said they are bonkers but just in case I am massively overrating our little French genius here, what does the caf say to this?
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I think we're overrating his overall performances. There's been a huge number of times he has done some genuinely brilliant things and shown a huge, huge amount of promise.
 
El-Manos said:
Had an argument today with a Chelsea fan, claiming: Deulofeu has been better than Martial so far this season. There was even a United fan agreeing with him. Naturally, I said they are bonkers but just in case I am massively overrating our little French genius here, what does the caf say to this?

I have to admit, I don't particularly watch Everton every week...
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Dont really watch everton but deulofeu has more goals + assists in lesser minutes for everton so probably something in it.
 
Pexbo said:
I think we're overrating his overall performances. There's been a huge number of times he has done some genuinely brilliant things and shown a huge, huge amount of promise.
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Would you agree with the fact Deulofeu has been more impressive?
 
El-Manos said:
Had an argument today with a Chelsea fan, claiming: Deulofeu has been better than Martial so far this season. There was even a United fan agreeing with him. Naturally, I said they are bonkers but just in case I am massively overrating our little French genius here, what does the caf say to this?

I have to admit, I don't particularly watch Everton every week...
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Deulofeu is in good form but before that run started he wasn't even guaranteed a place in their starting eleven. I think he played less than half an hour in 7 of their 13 PL games? So no, I'd say Martial has been better.

I can see why neutral fans might argue for Deulofeu, his form has improved recently while Martial's early impact has dimmed. That doesn't make them right though.
 
Haven't seen much of deulofeu but he's supposed to have been excellent this season. Has to be noted that as much of the hype about martial' season is about the games he didn't score or assist in as the ones he did because his all round game has been so damn good.
 
Scarecrow said:


Nice little video. First time I heard him speak. Little bit of english at the end, as well.

Favorite players - Brazilian Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Zidane. Couldn't have chosen better.
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:nervous: So off to Barcelona in a few seasons? Btw, nasty looking scar on his left hand.
 
Just think if we had everyone playing at the top of their games as we have seen.

If we can get Januzaj back playing to the level he was a couple of years ago. What a great attacking group we could have, all young for the future.

---------------------------MARTIAL------------------------

DEPAY---------------------JANUZAJ----------------LINGARD

------------HERRERA-----------------SCHNEIDERLIN---------

Not to mention:
MATA
ROONEY
PEREIRA

We have such a great group of YOUNG players in the team at the moment:
DE GEA
SHAW
SMALLING
JONES
DARMIAN
HERRERA
POWELL
LINGARD
PEREIRA
DEPAY
JANUZAJ
MARTIAL

All between the ages of 18-26
 
XdanielredX said:
Just think if we had everyone playing at the top of their games as we have seen.

If we can get Januzaj back playing to the level he was a couple of years ago. What a great attacking group we could have, all young for the future.

---------------------------MARTIAL------------------------

DEPAY---------------------JANUZAJ----------------LINGARD

------------HERRERA-----------------SCHNEIDERLIN---------

Not to mention:
MATA
ROONEY
PEREIRA

We have such a great group of YOUNG players in the team at the moment:
DE GEA
SHAW
SMALLING
JONES
DARMIAN
HERRERA
POWELL
LINGARD
PEREIRA
DEPAY
JANUZAJ
MARTIAL

All between the ages of 18-26
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Powell + Lingard but no mention of Wilson or Pearson?
 
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