Im still amazed that people dont think youngsters can afford a bad half. You would think Messi and Ronaldo were turning out killer perfomances at 20, and they are the best of the best to have ever done it.
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Football fans are ridiculous these days.
I can't even remember the last time Ronaldo had a good game at an international tournament.
At his age he should be getting 20 minute cameos when the opposition are flagging, not getting hooked at half-time for being one of many poor performers. It's shite management by Deschamps imo.
The worst performance I've seen from him. But he's still young and has a long international career ahead of him. And everyone, no matter how good they are, has a bad day at the office. There's nothing to worry about. Although it seems to me that fans in general are becoming far less patient and expect heroics from young players. The hype for both Martial and Rashford on this forum is quite ridiculous at times. I know it's easy to get excited but there will be bad performances from them from time to time.
Yeah I'm sure the team will benefit a lot from benching our most lethal winger.
He did that in the first game, and then rewarded him with a start after a nice cameo, and he had an absolutely shocking first half, worst player on the pitch.
How is that bad management?
He didn't play well but that's not true at all.
I didn't watch the first half but by the sounds of it Martial was pretty poor. Being taken off at halftime won't help his confidence either. Given the nature of the tournament, I doubt Deschmaps will trust him very much going forward hence making the entire EC a waste of time for him. Shame really, but it is what it is. Perhaps he has simply been overrated on this board.
First time I've ever seen nerves effect him. He's only human afterall.
Or, you know, he just didn't have a good half and that's the anomaly rather than the full league season.
Ronaldo?
He was managed perfect by Fergie when he joined us. In his first season, Fergie sent him on 3 weeks holiday in january to relax. In his second season he got a 2 week break too. That's the best example.
He was the best and most exciting attacker in our team. A team that lacked any good attacking play. We would have to be be very weird not to rate him.
He was also poor in the first game. Read the comments in here and you have to think he was just downright horrible and given that he was the one to be taken off at halftime appears to confirm that. We'll see how he does the rest of the way, if he gets many more chances, which I doubt.
That is exactly why we might tend to overrate him. He seemed so good in comparison to our remaining attackers, but our remaining attackers were simply so poor that Martial looked better than he currently is.
I love how confident you are in spite of having already said you didn't even watch the game ffs.
As for the first game he got a 20 minute cameo at the end of the game
He wasn't that bad, France are shit to be fair.
No creativity at all in the centre of the park without Pogba on.
Kante and Matuidi are good at breaking up play, rubbish at everything else tonight.
Plus Giruid is being his usual terrible self again.
No creativity at all in the centre of the park without Pogba on.
Kante and Matuidi are good at breaking up play, rubbish at everything else tonight.
Plus Giruid is being his usual terrible self again.
They are shit without him too, neither of their forwards was any better.
Yep, but ut's understandable, nothing was going on for him.
But you gotta love him for trying all the time even when having an off day, altough if he didn't he would probably stayed on, but then he is that kind of player and people like him for that.
Yep, but ut's understandable, nothing was going on for him.
But you gotta love him for trying all the time even when having an off day, altough if he didn't he would probably stayed on, but then he is that kind of player and people like him for that.
No he wasn't.
I love Martial but why sugarcoat it? His passing accuracy was the worst in blue, at just 66.7%, he kept mis-controlling the ball, slipping etc.. basically nothing worked for him.
That's why he was taken off.
Ronaldo was 2 years younger than Ronaldo in those seasons you are talking about. Martial is at a much more advance stage in his development than Ronaldo was in his first year with us - he is older and more physically developed.
Ronaldo played 40 games in his first year with us, went to the Euros and played every game for Portugal, came back and played 50 games for us the following year.
Not true at all, had a decent little cameo and earned his start this evening.
Why is this shite always lazily whipped out when a player has a bad half/game. Wonder who'll get the overrated treatment next for having a bad game. Not sure there's many good players left for the Caf to target tbh.
It's not sugar-coating to say he wasn't the worst player on the pitch.
He has a poor half but he was at least trying to make things happen and trying to open the game up.
Matiudi should have been the one to go off, bring on Pogba to greater a better link between midfield and attack and allow Martial to concentrate on what he does best.
I guess so, but at the same time as the over rating is happening the opposite could be true too. Look at Pogba, he is not playing like a 100m player is he?
I was desperate for him to be amazing, desperate, and in that situation I tend to look at players through rose-tinted eyes. Tonight however there was no mistaking that he had a very poor half.
It's no biggy, every player has them.
Yes, and I do agree with you actually that after a few weeks rest this summer, Martial will be ready to go on next season again and play most games for us. He's at that age now that it shouldn't be a problem.
They haven't been any better with him off.
You've just deleted 75% of my post, including the sentence where I said he had a poor half, then proceeded to argue that he had a poor half.
I never said he played well. I said he wasn't the worst player on the pitch. Because he wasn't.
All this bickering about a 20 year old player who had a poor half in a team full of more experienced underperformers?
I deleted the part that had nothing to do with my opinion, comments like "at least he was trying stuff" mean nothing when you feck it up every time. So I simply focused on the fact that our opinions differ, I think he was absolutely awful, the worst player on the park for sure. Looked a complete bag nerves.
You disagree, that's fine.
Either way, it's no biggy, Ronaldo was dogshit for 90 minutes last night. Players sometimes have bad nights.
Martial is such a touchy subject on here.
You deleted me saying he had a poor half and then went on arguing that he had a poor half!
The entire team has underperformed tonight. It took a brilliant cross and a 25 year old who's most like going to cost a club £60m plus this summer to get the win. Most predicted France would walk this 3-0.
Edit: And Payet...
Strange discussion this.
You think he was poor, I think he was poor. Let's leave it at that.
After Deschamp cruelly humiliated Martial all I wanted was for Albania to win that game, alas the Gods do not favour me tonight.
He was poor but Albania were always going to tire in the second half and the game would open up. He could have given him another 15 minutes.
He was poor but Albania were always going to tire in the second half and the game would open up. He could have given him another 15 minutes.
I'm not saying he isn't a good player, I'm just saying perhaps not as good as we made him to be. There's a difference.
How is hooking a 20 year old after a poor half bad management? At that age, on that kind of stage, in front of his own fans, after a few bad touches, among a whole host of under-performing players, how could it do anything other than damage his confidence? And would you honestly say he was any worse than, say, Giroud? It just seems incredible heavy-handed to me.
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