Angel Gomes

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2cents said:
Well look at it this way - we won the Cup Winner's Cup, a very respectable competition at the time, vs. Cruyff's Barcelona in 1991.

Our Champion's League campaigns of 1993 and 1994 were severely hampered by the foreigners rule. Once that was gone, it took us three years back in the competition to win it, having reached the quarter and semi-finals in the two previous seasons.

Agreed that after 1999 we should have moved to a more sophisticated system, away from the 2-up-front model. But in any case, my initial remark was on your point about counter-attacking, as if it was something pioneered at United by Quiroz when, clearly, we'd been using it as an effective weapon for years in the PL.
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Against poor sides compared to their continental counterparts. If you don't see the evolution of the counter attacking in a flat 4-4-2 to the more fluid, interchangeable system that featured Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez and Park, then fair enough. Because "the dream" midfield than Neville likes to call it, wasn't able to counter attack against the elite on a regular basis like we saw during Ronaldo's time.
 
Brightonian said:
No. The hype machine is just finding them younger and younger each year. He's two years away from being ready for a senior run-out yet.
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We'll see. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets an appearance next season. There are still some things I would like to see him improve on.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
Against poor sides compared to their continental counterparts. If you don't see the evolution of the counter attacking in a flat 4-4-2 to the more fluid, interchangeable system that featured Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez and Park, then fair enough. Because "the dream" midfield than Neville likes to call it, wasn't able to counter attack against the elite on a regular basis like we saw during Ronaldo's time.
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Right, well, Angel Gomes, quite the young talent I hear!
 
Brightonian said:
No. The hype machine is just finding them younger and younger each year. He's two years away from being ready for a senior run-out yet.
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I'm in no way a good judge of when he may or may not be ready for the senior team but I think your second sentence is a little unfair. He seems to be performing at a level far beyond his own age group, rather than some kid whose reputation exceeds his ability.

That said, his stature may be an issue. In some ways, I'm reminded of Sterling when he was at Liverpool's academy. Don't see why Gomes' career couldn't follow a similae trajectory. How old was Sterling when he first kicked a ball for the first team?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'm in no way a good judge of when he may or may not be ready for the senior team but I think your second sentence is a little unfair. He seems to be performing at a level far beyond his own age group, rather than some kid whose reputation exceeds his ability.

That said, his stature may be an issue. In some ways, I'm reminded of Sterling when he was at Liverpool's academy. Don't see why Gomes' career couldn't follow a similae trajectory. How old was Sterling when he first kicked a ball for the first team?
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Sterling had an exceptional physical attribute in his pace. Gomes isn't slow but he doesn't stand out in any physical regard which is often why players make early debuts.

I think he could play for the first team next year, my own opinion.
 
No way man, if he was any good he'd be at City.
 
I don't know about first team level but I hope he can make an appearance for the U23s later this season. I know he's only recently turned 16 but I wouldn't mind, later in the year, seeing him get a chance off the bench for the U23s.
 
Brightonian said:
No. The hype machine is just finding them younger and younger each year. He's two years away from being ready for a senior run-out yet.
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This. Never any guarantees with youngsters either.
 
Brightonian said:
No. The hype machine is just finding them younger and younger each year. He's two years away from being ready for a senior run-out yet.
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I agree with this. There's no need to rush him and the hype machine is quite irritating. The worst thing is people that haven't seen him play but get all hyped and rave about him. They then might watch him play once then if he doesn't perform well, they'll criticise him and call him overhyped.

Patience is needed for now though. Let him continue impressing for the U18s and if he carries on then hopefully an appearance for the U23s at some point this season or next season.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Sterling had an exceptional physical attribute in his pace. Gomes isn't slow but he doesn't stand out in any physical regard which is often why players make early debuts.

I think he could play for the first team next year, my own opinion.
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Chong is not much older, more physically advanced, and an excellent prospect as well. Worth keeping an eye on both of them.
 
England U17 won against Croatia 0:5 earlier today, Gomes played and scored one.
 
jb8521 said:


This reminds me a bit of Ravel against Blackburn u18s
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This is what I want to see more of from him. There are times where he's under pressure, but isn't calm enough to get out of pressure. Not that he doesn't get out of those situations, as he does do it often. I'm just being very nitpicky, but he possesses prodigious technique so he can do it. I'm often amazed at how Messi and Iniesta manage to be so calm to pull things off when that little chance to get out arises.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'm in no way a good judge of when he may or may not be ready for the senior team but I think your second sentence is a little unfair. He seems to be performing at a level far beyond his own age group, rather than some kid whose reputation exceeds his ability.
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I'm not saying anything about his ability or his potential, which are both exceptional. But there is a limit to how young you can play a kid, especially a dinky little one like Gomes. What I meant by the 'hype machine' wasn't that he's being hyped beyond what he deserves, just that the media are getting interested in kids earlier and earlier in their careers, so people are seeing as much written about Gomes now, for example, as they were about Rashford or Januzaj a year or two later in their development. You're going to have to wait longer between hearing about him and seeing him get his first senior game.

I stand by the statement that he won't be ready for that until the season after next, irrespective of his precocious talent. He might go on pre-season before then, but he won't be playing cup matches.
 
Brightonian said:
I'm not saying anything about his ability or his potential, which are both exceptional. But there is a limit to how young you can play a kid, especially a dinky little one like Gomes. What I meant by the 'hype machine' wasn't that he's being hyped beyond what he deserves, just that the media are getting interested in kids earlier and earlier in their careers, so people are seeing as much written about Gomes now, for example, as they were about Rashford or Januzaj a year or two later in their development. You're going to have to wait longer between hearing about him and seeing him get his first senior game.

I stand by the statement that he won't be ready for that until the season after next, irrespective of his precocious talent. He might go on pre-season before then, but he won't be playing cup matches.
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Agree.If this season's Tuanzebe wasn't given any minute in the cup I don't get how people can see Gomes playing for the 1st team any time soon.
 
Anyone have his stats for the season so far, United & England? Games, goals & assists.
 
I have it down as...

Utd: 7 games, 5 goals + 3 assists

Eng: 2 games, 3 goals + 1 assist

Not a bad start at all :drool:
 
For United this season he has 6 starts 1 sub appearance with 5 goals and 5 assists, for England 2 starts 2 goals and 2 assists
 
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