So could Greenwood,Hannibal,Sancho...we'll know for sure.Meanwhile, all the best to the kid
Angel Gomes Watch
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So could Greenwood,Hannibal,Sancho...we'll know for sure.Meanwhile, all the best to the kid
The clear plan for him here would have been a loan too. He chose not to and wanted his own path....good luck to him.
Apologies then, I haven't seen the rumours from the Metro and Daily Star. I could argue their reputation but that's not the point here.
And my claim is based on the fact that he signed for Lille. Do you honestly believe he was wanted by Chelsea and Barcelona but chose Lille, to then subsequently go on loan to Boavista?
@georgipep can you give me your honest rating of Pereira's and Lingard's last season, on a scale 1 to 10, and explain why you think Gomes can't do better than that?
If the team didn't think he could become a better player than those two, why offer a contract extension?
And can you explain why you think giving chances to a dead end player (that keeps playing awfully) is a better option to give chances to a talented youngster (that might play awfully, but given it's his first first team games it might take time to adjust*)
*as opposed to a guy that went on loan twice and has no excuse to play that badly
If the team didn't think he could become a better player than those two, why offer a contract extension?
And can you explain why you think giving chances to a dead end player (that keeps playing awfully) is a better option to give chances to a talented youngster (that might play awfully, but given it's his first first team games it might take time to adjust*)
*as opposed to a guy that went on loan twice and has no excuse to play that badly
Based on his experience at United yes, it makes perfect sense.
I think both Lingard and Pereira showed last season that they are not good enough to be starters for us. It appears that either Lingard is deemed better quality for the squad or Pereira had more options and was thus loaned out. I like both of them for being academy products (the same goes for Gomes) but none of them have consistently shown the performance to warrant being part of the squad if we are to challenge for trophies.
As for Gomes, I see the problem as being about expectations from him and the clash with reality. He has been given chances to play. He never really shone in any of the competitive games he's played and he was offered a new contract. I don't think he deserved any promises for first team football and if that was the crux of his decision to leave us, than so be it. If it was money, again, I don't think he warranted a big contract, so I'm ok with him leaving for this one too.
We cannot deliberately field a weaker team because Gomes believes he is better than Lingard and Pereira. My opinion is that as of last season he wasn't better than either of them. It's not about giving chances to Lingard or Pereira. Both of them were already established as part of our first team squad. And both have had good games (especially Lingard). Something that Gomes cannot say.
The 'time to adjust' argument. Ok, but we are not in the position to wait because Manchester United demands results. Gomes showed nothing to suggest he is on the verge of delivering those results. Maybe you don't agree that Lingard and Pereira are any better but they have delivered results (again, Lingard more so than Pereira).
I like Gomes as potential talent but also understand why he wasn't given more minutes and games to play. We just couldn't afford to because he simply wasn't all that good (at that time). He may become the best player in the world and that would be great but he cannot ask for more chances than what he was already given.
1. We waited till he had 6 months left to offer a new deal.Now come on, is that really true?
I admit playing the likes of Fabio and Park ahead of him in a match would piss most players off, but not believing in his talent?
2. When the entire first team midfield was out injured. We preferred to pick a right back (Rafael) and a winger (Park) in midfield over him. Even a striker (Rooney). Even when it costs us points at home vs the team bottom of the league.
3. We reduced his playing time because he wasn't signing. Rather than making a genuine effort to convince him he was part of our first team plans.
4. To add to to the above blow. We recalled Scholes out of retirement. That was enough to convince pogba he had no real chance with us so he jumped ship.
Not sure if this logic is being
Not sure if this is being applied strictly enough across the team.
Agree with all of that but did SAF really have little faith in his talent, is what I'm asking. Not playing a young player of his talent was criminal I accept.
SAF got off far more lightly than Ole is right now and Gomes wasn't as highly rated as Pogba
It's not that he didn't have the faith.
He failed rather to convey it to the player correctly/effectively. So from the player's perspective. He felt he had to leave for were they were making it clear they believe in him.
Back in action tonight after a minor injury.
yay
Taarabt in the lineup for Benfica. That’s a blast from the past, didn’t think he actually got a game with them.
Vertonghen and Otamendi too, didn’t even know he’d left City.
Vertonghen and Otamendi too, didn’t even know he’d left City.
Hoping for another good performance from Angel.
Just won himself a penalty and then dispatched it.
Showing some class footwork so far.
Showing some class footwork so far.
Gomes
This Gol commentator is jokes
Just hit them with a beautiful assist. Destroying them out there.
Why?
I hate myself for even checking this thread because it can’t be anything other than depressing. Genuinely mystified why any United fans would be pleased or excited about him playing well.
#GomBack
Is that a thing? Fecking hell. Why on earth would he come back?
Umm what? Do you hope he does bad or something?
I want all United academy players to do well! What is wrong with that?
Why not?
Because there is an attachment with him basically growing up at United, and being one of our more gifted products in recent years. Plus, with him being English and United being an English club with lots of English fans, a lot will want him to fulfil his potential as it helps the national team.
I've not watched tonight, but yes, Taraabt has been decent for Benfica this past year or so. In a defensive midfield position to boot!
I’d rather he disappeared off the face of the earth tbh. Either that or has a successful yet mediocre career. Don’t want to wish ill on the lad but if he turns out to be fantastic that will be incredibly annoying/depressing. For obvious reasons. Hence I’m mystified by United fans hoping for that outcome.
He’s not a United academy player. That’s what’s wrong with that.
I don't understand why you're being so negative about him. I'm delighted he's doing well, as it seems most people are. Strange.
Are you 5 years old or something? I thought you were a grown adult.
Hope he disappears off the face of the earth. Deary me.
If he turns out to be fantastic then he’d come back as he loves the club and loves Manchester.
Mystified how any grown man can hope a 20 year old Manc who loves the club and was with the club for 14 years would disappear of the face of the earth.
Should probably just stay out of his thread if you’re so petty.
Well he was developed by United and is a United youth player. Him succeeding or failing has nothing to do with United now, so no idea why you would want him to fail. If anything, maybe it helps improve United's handling of young talents should there be any small lesson to be learned.
So I’m not sure this needs the additional explanation but I don’t want him to literally disappear. Hope that clears things up for you.
Like the lesson learned from Pogba?
It doesn't have to be a lesson learned at all as my post stated. Point is, there is no downside to Gomes succeeding at this point so wishing he doesn't do well makes no sense to me.
Gomes Such a class player.
Such a class player. Got to get watching Benfica games again if they're getting Adel to play like prime Kante.
They were a total mess end of last season so I assume they've improved a bit with signings made.
It's a damn shame he left. He's an amazingly talented.
Seems a bit petty.
I wish all of our players well after leaving us, unless its due to the actions of the player or because he’s joining a fierce rival.
I‘m always happy to see our ex Academy players doing well. I was pleased for Danny Drinkwater and Danny Simpson when Leicester won the league. It’s good to see Dwight McNeil smashing it at Burnley.
If you watch some of these kids from 15/16, you build a rapport with them.
And I was delighted to see Diego Forlán come good in La Liga.
I hope Gomes proves Ole and the fans who doubted him wrong.
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